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Re: Boardwalk Empire - The Final Season [Re: SC] #801700
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I hate that they cut out some historical mobsters such as Albert Anastasia or Vito Genovese, even though I know why they had to do it.

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Originally Posted By: DonKostic
I hate that they cut out some historical mobsters such as Albert Anastasia or Vito Genovese, even though I know why they had to do it.


Same here, wanted the real bugs Moran in this season , not hbo val Holden version,

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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
It doesn't pay to get too literal about history in "Boardwalk Empire," but for the record:

Gerardo Machado attempted to steer Cuba toward an independent-of-Uncle Sam position in the early Thirties. He was deposed in a US-sponsored coup.

Meyer Lansky's interest in Cuba was in gambling, not booze. He did get into a booze-related business with his father in law after Repeal, but it failed.

As for not talking to Lucky too often: Lansky arranged the assassination of Masseria at Lucky's behest. Maybe that line showed him trying not to be associated too closely with Lucky, and thus be identified with the crime. Notice that Lucky acquired a droopy eye: That was inflicted by Maranzano's thugs after Lucky initially resisted betraying Masseria.

I don't know if that hand-cutting ceremony happened in real life, but Maranzano rewarded Lucky by putting him in charge of Masseria's family. In fact, Maranzano appointed the heads of all the five families at that Bronx meeting. But he made a fatal mistake: he declared himself capo di tutti capi at that meeting and demanded a monthly tribute from all the Mafiosi present. That didn't go over too well. Luciano reached for Lansky again. Lansky arranged for Maranzano's assassination in his office. Coincidentally: while Lanksy's killers were shooting and stabbing Maranzano to death, a hired assassin, Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll, was on his way to Maranzano's office to receive his final instructions for assassinating Luciano. The close timing is one of the reasons he was known as "Lucky."


What are you trying to say they set Coll up for the murder


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Re: Boardwalk Empire - The Final Season [Re: SC] #802947
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So, who was the guy in the restaurant with whom Nucky spoke?


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So, who was the guy in the restaurant with whom Nucky spoke?


THat was Tonino. Remember him? He was the guy who killed Gyp Rosetti. That was also him at the end of the episode with the postcard stuck to him.


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So, who was the guy in the restaurant with whom Nucky spoke?


THat was Tonino. Remember him? He was the guy who killed Gyp Rosetti. That was also him at the end of the episode with the postcard stuck to him.


Thanks I was wondering both. I wasn't sure who the dead guy at the end was.

Why exactly didn't Nucky's nephew want to distance himself from him during the job interview. Was it strictly cause of Nucky's reputation? confused

I like they we are getting a glimpse into what young Nucky was like.


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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Why exactly didn't Nucky's nephew want to distance himself from him during the job interview. Was it strictly cause of Nucky's reputation?



I'm not sure I understand your question. Wilie, Nucky's nephew who wants to work for the Atorney's Office, is a little wheeler-dealer himself.


Looks like the battle lines are drawn now. The Lansky/Luciano team vs Nucky.

Interesting to see Joe Kennedy here. Also, seeing Gillian was unnerving.


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What was that tete a tete between Gillian and the other woman?


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Re: Boardwalk Empire - The Final Season [Re: olivant] #802990
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Originally Posted By: olivant
What was that tete a tete between Gillian and the other woman?


Still not 100% sure (even after watching the episode again). The other woman appears to be a warden of the prison hospital in which Gillian is an inmate. They made some sort of deal to trade a dress for a pen and paper.

A question for the Capone experts - was Big Al really behind the assassination attempt on Torrio's life? The attempt that almost killed Torrio and made him decide to retire.


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OK, watched the episode AGAIN. A third time lol

Caught these items this time:

The federal agent who raided Capone's warehouse (the one run by Van Alden and Nucky's brother) was Elliott Ness.

Totino (the guy who's body was delivered to the whorehouse at the end of the episode) had his ear cut off. That's Nucky's bodyguard's signature (no surprise, I just didn't notice that the ear was cut off before).

Didn't notice it before but the guy playing the Commodore in Nucky's flashback scenes really looks like a young Dabney Coleman who played the Commodore in Seasons 1 and 2.


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SC, there's been alot of speculation that Capone hit Torrio to motivate him to move on.

In the restaurant, some of what Nucky told Totino had an insincere quality to it. So, I think Nucky had Totino murdered because he considered him a liability. Also, I didn't get the look they gave to the picture on the wall.

And yes, that guy was a Dabney Coleman look alike.


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Re: Boardwalk Empire - The Final Season [Re: olivant] #803017
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Originally Posted By: olivant
SC, there's been alot of speculation that Capone hit Torrio to motivate him to move on.

In the restaurant, some of what Nucky told Totino had an insincere quality to it. So, I think Nucky had Totino murdered because he considered him a liability. Also, I didn't get the look they gave to the picture on the wall.

And yes, that guy was a Dabney Coleman look alike.


The picture on the wall in the restaurant was Nucky's actress girlfriend who was killed in the explosion in Atlantic City a couple of seasons ago.

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Originally Posted By: olivant
Also, I didn't get the look they gave to the picture on the wall.


That drawing on the wall was of the actress that Nucky had an affair with. She was the one who was killed when the nightclub in Atlantic City blew up. Nucky was supposed to be the target of that bomb but he was delayed for a minute outside of the club. I THINK Gyp Rossetti was behind that and Tonino was working for him then so maybe Nucky believed Tonino caused the death of the actress. (It's been awhile and I haven't seen that season of the show in a few years).


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So it was Lansky that was behind the attempted hit on Nucky in Cuba. I had a feeling it was.

I like Nucky's new bodyguard, he kind of reminds me of The Skull in Scarface. He was the guy that blew away Tony Montana with the shotgun. Both are pretty silent but extremely deadly.

So now Joe Kennedy is on the show. Should be interesting to see how they play him and if the Kennedy family objects to his portrayal, especially if they say he was a bootlegger during prohibition.

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Originally Posted By: Benny3Balls
So now Joe Kennedy is on the show. Should be interesting to see how they play him and if the Kennedy family objects to his portrayal, especially if they say he was a bootlegger during prohibition.



It's a pretty well known fact that Kennedy was involved with bootleggers. It would be pointless for his family to object.


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Thanks SC. That's what I figured because Nucky's side of the Torino conversation plus the look he gave his bodyguard when he left seemed strange. Also, the waiter: didn't he give the picture a strange look?


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It was ALMOST comical because Tonino was expecting to get it in the back from Luciano and Lansky. Instead, he got it in the back from Nucky.


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So now Joe Kennedy is on the show. Should be interesting to see how they play him and if the Kennedy family objects to his portrayal, especially if they say he was a bootlegger during prohibition.


It's a pretty well known fact that Kennedy was involved with bootleggers. It would be pointless for his family to object.

I agree with you SC, i have always thought and read that Kennedy was. But i've read a couple historians say he wasn't. But maybe they're on the Kennedy payroll, i really don't know.

David Nasaw who wrote the book "The Patriarch: The Remarkable Life and Turbulent Times of Joseph P. Kennedy" is one of the guys who claims he wasn't.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/20...ilys-patriarch/

Former Public Editor for the NY Times Daniel Okrent is another one who says it isn't true about Joe Kennedy being a bootlegger.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/...ger-148064.html

As i said i think Kennedy was involved in bootlegging but i just thought i'd mention that some people think otherwise.

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Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: olivant
What was that tete a tete between Gillian and the other woman?


Still not 100% sure (even after watching the episode again). The other woman appears to be a warden of the prison hospital in which Gillian is an inmate. They made some sort of deal to trade a dress for a pen and paper.

A question for the Capone experts - was Big Al really behind the assassination attempt on Torrio's life? The attempt that almost killed Torrio and made him decide to retire.




i ain't a capone expert but i highly doubt it

the northside kept trying to kill capone after the torrio hit

the valentines day massacre didn't happen until two years after torrio

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The attempted hit on Torrio was engineered by Hymie Weiss, who succeeded Dion O'Banion as head of the Northsiders, in revenge for O'Banion's assassination.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
The attempted hit on Torrio was engineered by Hymie Weiss, who succeeded Dion O'Banion as head of the Northsiders, in revenge for O'Banion's assassination.


That's pretty much what I thought. The show made it sound that Torrio thought that Al Capone was behind the attempt on his life. Unless, Torrio was just saying that as a ploy to get Nucky to feel close to him. Hmmmmm.


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I just watched episode one and I liked it a lot. ONly slight problem was that it was sloppy of Meyer Lansky to use a non-English speaking woman to impersonate his wife in Cuba. If Nucky had gone over and tried to speak to her he would have caught on immediately that she was a fake. Seeing Nucky's silent bodyguard shadowing him reminded me of Al Pacino's bodyguard in Godfather 2.

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Who were the guys who shot up the brothel?


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Who were the guys who shot up the brothel?
I think they were just some low level goons sent to give Narcisse some "incentive" to reconsider the proposal to ally with Maranzano.
The scene went by pretty quick,but they didn't look familiar.

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Originally Posted By: olivant
Who were the guys who shot up the brothel?


Lucky Luciano's guys. One was Bugsy Siegel. They were (obviously) telling Narcisse that he needed the protection of Marranzano.

Good episode tonight.


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Who were the guys who shot up the brothel?


Lucky Luciano's guys. One was Bugsy Siegel. They were (obviously) telling Narcisse that he needed the protection of Marranzano.

Good episode tonight.
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Since I was watching the game, I missed how and if Chalky got out of that house.


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I may have missed it, but how did Chalky end up in prison to begin with?

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Originally Posted By: Bozak
I may have missed it, but how did Chalky end up in prison to begin with?



Good question! I don't think they've said why he was in jail (other than his own admission that he "got caught"). I have a feeling he'll align himself with Nucky again.


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I may have missed it, but how did Chalky end up in prison to begin with?



Good question! I don't think they've said why he was in jail (other than his own admission that he "got caught"). I have a feeling he'll align himself with Nucky again.


Although they don't tell you we have to assume Nacisse cooperation with the feds sent Chalky to prison.

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