The new market is right next door to the prison barge in Hunts Point. One of the government offices that monitors the weights and measures and cost to sell ratios for the fish market is actually located INSIDE the barge. The outside monitoring is done by fucking Giuliani's private security firm. No conflict of interest there, though .

Long story short: No. No. And No.

Thanks PB, what I figured with any Guilinana bust , steady flow of excessive fee $ passed onto consumers . Whats the difference

Goes back to my theory that some LE use same business tactics as CN

In Gravano's book he said Gotti used to be intimidated by castellano whenever they visited his house. And I know he was scared or Demeo because he wouldn't have made a move on him without DeMeo out of the picture.

Gotti was a tough guy no doubt however some claim he wasnt afraid of anybody which was total bullshit lol. I already gave examples of guys gotti was afraid of. HELL he only took out big paul at his weakest moment and with decicco and gravanos help. Lets face it if gravano and decicco turned him down gotti would have been dead in the 80s

Yeah Sammy was on the fence about it at first but DeCicco was all in making gravano all in as well. DeCicco and Sammy were very close.

gotti should have been smart enough to quit bad mouthing Sammy, he should have known he would flip if gotti wanted to clip him.

running Sammy down was a bad move on gottis part.

I agree. People make gotti out to be some saint or something. Or a "real" gangster. The guy was parading around the streets basically telling everybody he was the boss by the way he attracted attention. He was by no means a "real" gangster. Just because he was stupid enough to bad mouth his loyal(I guess you could call him that) underboss and he didn't flip after he was ratted on doesn't mean anything.

Agreed. Lets face it without Neil Dallacroce Gotti most likely would have never gotten made. Neil as respected a mobster as he was wasnt exactly the smartest gangster. He was a street thug similar to gotti and thats probably the reason that carlo didnt want him to be boss

Gotti wouldn't have been made without Dellacroce? Wow

Yeah, like the Faticos weren't only second in power to the Vario crew in that neighborhood.

I get the Gotti hate. But give me a break. The McBratney hit really WAS a favor to Carlo. To say that he wouldn't have gotten his button is absurd, and I'm no Gotti supporter. I've been very clear about that over the years. The Westside guys who I grew up around couldn't stand him. But what's right is right. He was getting his button, no ifs, ands or buts.

And keep this in mind: If Paul was so dead set against John getting made, then why did he make Genie BEFORE he made John?. All that accomplishes is making John stronger. And it's not like Paul was stupid. He was a little naive about creating factions, but he wasn't a dumb man.

But was McBratney involved in the kidnapping/murder of Gambino's nephew? The ringleader, somebody named Robert Senter, was never hit and served his prison sentence without problem, as far as I know. Did Gambino genuinely believe it was all McBratney's fault and Senter did take the wrong rap?

I think you are exactly right, gotti was dellacroce's man. and without neil, gotti was toast.

Some guys end up dead. And then there are some guys walking around that make you scratch your head and ask yourself how they're still breathing. I really can't explain it any better than that.

It's a fucked up life where you can get killed by accident. Conversely, there are guys who fucked people all their lives and nothing happens. It's a dangerous game.

Lets be honest, it has to stand to reason that Chin was a little fearful of Gotti. To say that Bobby Manna was on his own when he was planning on trying to clip Gotti and that he had not sanctioned it. Chin wasn't a perfect boss just like Gotti wasn't. But to say Gotti wouldn't have gotten made is getting a little crazy. A lot of revisionist history going on.

I guess you never heard of the Faticos in Idaho, huh?

for christsakes i was being sarcastic when i said gotti wouldnt have gotten made. My point was he wouldnt have gotten as far without neil

The same can be said about Chin, with Vito Genovese he wouldn't gotten as far.

that maybe true however the chin proved to be a very crafty boss. Secondly im sorry but he was never scared of gotti

I'd imagine both were wary of each other, after all they both had an army of killers.

Crafty, yes, but still died in prison. If he wasn't he wouldn't have said that Bobby Manna was a renegade. He would have stood his ground

im not disputing gotti wasnt a tough guy because he was BUT he wasnt fearless of everyone. Demeo and casso scared the shit out if him. Even big paul at the height of his power made gotti nervous when he ordered him to meetings

Chin was closer to Benny Squint than he ever was to Genovese. Popping Frank Costello isn't what got him the Village Crew. It was his tremendous earning ability, just like it is with everyone else. And if he wasn't so close to Benny, all bets would have been off after Vito died.

Didn't say he wasn't fearless. What I am saying he wasn't cowrring in the corner either, to say he didn't project fear before he was a boss and after isn't being realistic.

I know that, JC. My post about that Faticos wasn't directed at you .

Agreed, Chin had his own pope was the only point I was trying to make.

'Even Big Paul' Your talking like Paul was a fairy. He was arguably the most powerful mob boss in the country, who the fuck wouldn't be nervous when Big Paul had a legitimate beef with him?

Only a psychopath (like Casso) wouldn't be fearful in Gotti's postion.

my post wasnt directed at you either

Um..... when did i call paul a fairy. In fact many times i have posted that paul had a bad temper and ordered more deaths than most bosses

I said 'talking like' Big Paul was a fairy, by saying 'Even Paul made him nervous'

i think you are reading too much into it. It wasnt meant to say he was a pussy boss i just meant he was more white collar criminal. However he would kill you if you looked at him wrong