Maybe russia will invade italy and more sicilians are forced to emigrate to the U.S. that would be something, let's send a letter to Putin and say that ukraine is worthless, there are more vodka and russians livin' in the Messina Islands.

God forbid. Italy has enough problems. And even if that were to happen, the U.S. would still keep Western European immigration to a minimum.

Unfortunately, this country only welcomes you with open arms today if you're from the Middle East or the Caribbean Islands. And these are the very people who hate America the most.

Not politically correct, but it's true. Sad, but true.

We need some banana boats man.

Unfortunately ths is true. This country only welcomes people from Latin countries with some spicy mamacitas like the Dominican.

Not politcally cool to say but true

Just let me get my crystal ball and look into the future...

Seriously, though, I don't know. Perhaps as a more diverse organization, certainly it can't go on as purely an Italian-immigrant driven group. Perhaps some of the traditions and jargon continue on, like the making ceremony, etc.

Hey PB, do you have a link for the college ethnicity numbers you mentioned? I'd be very interested if you do, sounds fascinating. thanks.

americans are the only people that hate people for no reason

I don't think that's a can of worms that needs to be opened on this particular forum, to be honest Cook... So don't say I didn't warn ya ;P

That isn't true. Stop being such a Debbie Downer.

Jeezus Cook. Why do you do this to yourself.

Research European history cira 1933-1945.

For starters.

You've got to be joking, they're nowhere near what they were in the 80's, Are the Gambino's better off then they were 5 years ago? Sure..

Can you really blame them?

I think its inevitable that LCN will die one day, probably in my lifetime. Perhaps the Five families may live on in some form or other but I doubt it. Not that i'm saying it will happen next year or twenty years from now. The Italian Mafia's are even facing a harsher climate these days than ever before but the Italian state has a long way to go in the fight against organized crime (that's when they bother fighting at all). That being said there are a core group of police, magistrate's etc dedicated to fighting organized crime which before the deaths of Falcone and Borsellino barely existed before.

Sorry but that is bullshit.. I don't think the 5 families will disappear during our lifetime. When we're 90 years old, maybe the largest family will have 20-50 members or so, maybe they all joined one another.. who knows. But the LCN is alive and well and hasn't been hurt that much (except from Bonanno/Colombo) -- The FBI, the press etc. people want you to think the mob is just a weak gang full of nobodys, but fact is they still control major Unions and companies. Who's to say they don't own say ...coca cola? they might. We just don't know it yet. Maybe Obama and Heidi Klun are in bed with the mafia somehow? We might know in a few years. All I can guarantee you is that in 30 years into the future, somebody will be reading about the '2014 mob' and be absolutely amazed by their power--just like we reacted when we learned about their stretch into politics.

Or maybe the mafia will be stronger then ever in a few years? It's unlikely but also unpredictable. They have more than enough school kids who dreams about becoming LCN-members.

Wow, Tommy. I'm kinda surprised at this comment. I'd expect it from some other posters, but not from you. When people challenge your knowledge based on your geography, I'm usually pretty quick to nip it in the bud. And I'm an American .

And I'm no jingoist. I'm forever calling out the American government on foreign policy. I'm just a little surprised. Coming from someone else it probably wouldn't have bothered me.

Anyway, back on topic . . . .

So are you loving life under the swathe of radical Islamic social changes your countries experienced due to the mass immigration of middle eastern/African refugees the UK has experienced in the last 20 years?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xei9qq_richard-dawkins-visits-a-muslim-sch_news

Yeah thats RICHARD DAWKINS Tommy. The PRE-emminent biologist from Harvard.

Now, say that again, "Can you blame them".

Guess what Dawkins would say.

Yeah you fucking can.

So Americans kill millions of people in the middle-east and you expect them not to be hated? That's just naive mate.

I don't give a fuck what Dawkins says. They believe in Islam, so fucking what. The propaganda machine in the western world has convinced the retarded population that there evil, it's ridiculous.

Please don't say that my ex son in law is Ukrainian I hope he goes there to fight and die for his mother land.

So Americans kill millions of people in the middle-east and you expect them not to be hated? That's just naive mate. [/quote]

The good news is they also hate the English mate

The good news is they also hate the English mate [/quote]

True that

That's what I meant. God knows that Footreads and I don't often see eye to eye. But they hate the Brits as much as they hate Americans. And the way I took it, Tommy was singling out Americans.

Well my reply was to you mentioning Middle-easterners in America so what do you expect? Of course they hate the British, they hate the Western world.

Then why are they coming to a country they hate? You can hate this country all you want, but stay in your country if you're going to do it.

Money.

It's where they can earn. Chasing the money in a country they hate certainly makes them hypocrites. But in all fairness, they're not the first, and they surely won't be the last.

I have to agree with PB. I work in an industry where I work with immigrants from all over the world on a daily basis. It is pure economics, that is the only reason that 90% of them come here. They make their money and send it home. They do not spend it here unless it is for necessities. Many of them are illegal and working on trying to get permanent residency and they view it as a right. "I didn't do anything wrong or hurt anyone by using a fake passport (or visa or entering without inspection) so why don't they give me the greencard"? And the funny thing is that if you engage them in conversation it always comes out that they are sending money home to Whatihambam so that they can retire and live in comfort in their own country later in life. I can't knock anybody for trying to have a better life, but if you do it, show respect to your adopted home. Many do not view it as an opportunity but more as a right. Now there are some (10%)who come here for freedom and opportunity and truly love their adopted home.

It is also true that our immigration system favors those from the third world (thank Kennedy and Johnson for that one) but there is still a SMALL amount of western Europeans who still come. They come because even though they may do well back home they realize that the system back home pigeon holes them into one place. They see the beauty of our system and embrace it.

Maybe introducing a bronze aged, tribal, third world, sexist, homophobic, intolerant, barbaric, religious belief system into society IS actually a little fucking evil Tommy?

But fuck dawkins eh. You're smarter than he is