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Re: Greatest Italian-American Mobster in history. [Re: Facchia] #794170
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Originally Posted By: Facchia
Agreed Bufalino was a fascinating character with material out there if the research was done outside of newspaper clippings and rehashing of stories & tall tales.


Here are the links to the Bufalino FBI File from an article in Citizens Voice in the Scranton area. There are 10 parts. Enjoy Facchia:

http://citizensvoice.com/news/bufalino


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I always thought Angelo Bruno was a good Boss. Low profile, very little violence but made the fatal mistake of under estimating the other guys greed!

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
I always thought Angelo Bruno was a good Boss. Low profile, very little violence but made the fatal mistake of under estimating the other guys greed!


A fatal mistake that bosses like Castellano and Galante paid for with their lives. None of them are businessmen, they're killers.


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Re: Greatest Italian-American Mobster in history. [Re: Bugsyvegas1930] #794208
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Galante was nothing more than a drug dealer , castellano was more of a businessman than a gangster , hence the trouble he had with the blue collar wing of the family

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Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Galante was nothing more than a drug dealer , castellano was more of a businessman than a gangster , hence the trouble he had with the blue collar wing of the family


I am aware of that, my point was that these guys forget who they are and what they do and more importantly, who they do business with.


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They don't give a shit aslong as they r making money

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Re: Greatest Italian-American Mobster in history. [Re: HenryHauglad] #794225
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Michael Franzese. He was educated both school wise and street. He rose very quickly though of course partially based on his father but also on his abilities. He ended up creating one of the biggest if not the biggest mob scams with the oil tax and he made a fortune for his family and himself. He did his time and got out and made a successful entry to legit business's. I can't see how that is less impressive than any other mobster


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Re: Greatest Italian-American Mobster in history. [Re: Primo] #794250
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Originally Posted By: Primo
Michael Franzese. He was educated both school wise and street. He rose very quickly though of course partially based on his father but also on his abilities. He ended up creating one of the biggest if not the biggest mob scams with the oil tax and he made a fortune for his family and himself. He did his time and got out and made a successful entry to legit business's. I can't see how that is less impressive than any other mobster


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who did he rat on? And idk guy was a young player in his family and made more money than most guys who spend their lives in the business. He did his time and if he is such a rat then his own dad must be ok with it cause he has visited him recently in jail. So if Sonny Franzese a stone cold dinosaur of a gangster is willing to meet him then how much of a rat can he be?


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Re: Greatest Italian-American Mobster in history. [Re: HenryHauglad] #794254
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There is already a recent thread on him Primo.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
There is already a recent thread on him Primo.


sorry for going off topic if I did. I assumed based of this title the thread was about who each of us considered the "Greatest Italian American gangster" hence why I replied with Michael Franzese. You then replied by calling him a rat and in response I countered with my reply and question. So I think that totally fits the thread????

Hence debating the greatest Italian Americn gangster?

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Ok, you're enttiled to that. But, do check the other thread with newspaper articles and videos of Franzese as a rat.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Ok, you're enttiled to that. But, do check the other thread with newspaper articles and videos of Franzese as a rat.


Unfortunately I cannot watch the video you linked in the other thread because of my countries location. I will still try and watch it if I can through another source. I still don't quite get what or who he informed on if he did and what sentences were given to those people.

But if he is as big a rat as you claim then why would SONNY FRANZESE all 90 fucking plus years of him living and breathing LCN to the core agree to meet with him. Son or no son. I cannot see Sonny sitting down with a rat unless he was senial. So if it is true he is mentally competent and he has recently met in a friendly manner with Michael then how much of a rat if he is at can Michael be?

Hence why I still argue he is the greatest LCN or Italian American gangster ever.


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A son is a son always Primo. Sonny Franzese also didn't know his other son was taping him? After all he put him behind bars. Sonny is a stone cold gangster but he must have a soft spot for his adopted son Michael.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
A son is a son always Primo. Sonny Franzese also didn't know his other son was taping him? After all he put him behind bars. Sonny is a stone cold gangster but he must have a soft spot for his adopted son Michael.


well then why the fuck is he sitting in a cell based on his LCN loyalty to the core which if I am correct states a rat must be killed. Now I know there are exceptions but still if a man is in his 90's and still a feared mafia member and currently sitting in prison on mob charges, then do you really think he is going to sitdown in prison with a RAT?

T.G Graziano got shelved cause his daughter was on that show. Now it is a different family but don't you think Franzese might be shelved for speaking to a his son if his son was a RAT even if they were just chatting?

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Beans, he was going to let his son get whacked, he turned his back on him at the meeting...Hence the reason why michael wanted to get away from the life.


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I did hear Michael say that on one of his Documentaries. I just don't buy his act. Maye its sincere but he did cooperate and even if he didn't testify against mobsters, how do we know he didn't in private? He did testify on others, that is well known. His last video about the Mob, the Prosecutor of his case, who was the same guy for Henry Hill and who appeared in Goodfellas, said he cooperated. And as we all know a rat is a rat. I still compare him to Wayne Grande in Philadelphia.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
And as we all know a rat is a rat.
I agree with you 100%

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
I did hear Michael say that on one of his Documentaries. I just don't buy his act. Maye its sincere but he did cooperate and even if he didn't testify against mobsters, how do we know he didn't in privacy? He did testify on others, that is well known. His last video about the Mob, the Prosecutor of his case, who was the same guy for Henry Hill and who appeared in Goodfellas, said he cooperated. And as we all know a rat is a rat. I still compare him to Wayne Grande in Philadelphia.


Ok so let me just be clear. please inform on who he ratted on / which organizations. And what were the sentences or info he gave. What info did he give them that was useful to the feds and brought down other criminals?

Who did he put in jail to save his own skin.


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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
A son is a son always Primo. Sonny Franzese also didn't know his other son was taping him? After all he put him behind bars. Sonny is a stone cold gangster but he must have a soft spot for his adopted son Michael.


Michael Franzese was adopted?


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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
A son is a son always Primo. Sonny Franzese also didn't know his other son was taping him? After all he put him behind bars. Sonny is a stone cold gangster but he must have a soft spot for his adopted son Michael.


Michael Franzese was adopted?


I could be wrong but isn't it something like his mom is Sonn'ys wife and he is actual blood son of another mobster and Sonny raised him as his own? I could be wrong. I have been before.


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Originally Posted By: Primo
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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
A son is a son always Primo. Sonny Franzese also didn't know his other son was taping him? After all he put him behind bars. Sonny is a stone cold gangster but he must have a soft spot for his adopted son Michael.


Michael Franzese was adopted?


I could be wrong but isn't it something like his mom is Sonn'ys wife and he is actual blood son of another mobster and Sonny raised him as his own? I could be wrong. I have been before.


I don't know, calling on Pizzaboy!


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Here is a "Vanity Fair" article noting his adoption and informant status.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/1991/02/john-gotti-joe-columbo-fbi-investigation-witness

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I know his biological fathers name was Louis Grillo, he might have been connected, not sure....BTW...I think Michael's wife Cammy is a hot piece of tail tho, i'm sure of that, especially when she was younger...She still held up pretty good to this day.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Here is a "Vanity Fair" article noting his adoption and informant status.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/1991/02/john-gotti-joe-columbo-fbi-investigation-witness


Ok sure it says he "co operated" against a black janitor and a jewish bookie. And it does not say anything about the sentences they may or may not have got. Some rat. who the fuck knows if he even told them anything true.

If you read the article further a top official luaghs at the idea he "co operated" and claims anything Michael did would be on his terms and he would play it.

So according to one article that does not even discuss what he told the feds or if he even was a help that he ratted on 2 nobodies. and he still was allowed to keep his money and doesn't live in witness protection.


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If you talk to any LE authorities whether you dry snitch or plain ol' snitch your considered a rat...There is no two way street with that, point blank period..A rat is a rat


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That article was in 1991. Here is another:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/25/nyregi...o-the-past.html

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The Rev. Al Sharpton once said he was created with no reverse in his transmission, but if so, he has shown he can brake suddenly and make U-turns.
In the latest test of his adroitness, Mr. Sharpton has been responding to a secretly recorded 1983 F.B.I. videotape, included in an HBO report this week, that depicts him mostly listening but sometimes responding without commitment to an undercover agent masquerading as a Latin American drug lord offering to sell him kilos of cocaine.
Yesterday, Mr. Sharpton, 46, announced at State Supreme Court in Manhattan that he had filed a $1 billion lawsuit against HBO and its parent company, AOL Time Warner, contending that he had been smeared by ''dirty tricks'' intended to derail his campaign for the presidency. Also named as defendants were the HBO show, ''Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel;'' the reporter, Bernard Goldberg; and Michael Franzese, a former Colombo family Mafia captain who became a government informant.
''They may think they have given me a stumbling block,'' Mr. Sharpton said on the courthouse steps, entering the building and then returning. ''They will see it turned into a steppingstone.''

He contended that the segment of three and a half minutes shown nationally Tuesday night distorted the encounter and omitted material, including a second tape, that made it clear he would have nothing to do with drugs.
He also questioned why the 19-year-old tape, written about in the 1980's, had now reappeared. ''For whom and for what?'' he demanded.
A spokesman for HBO, Ray Stallone, called the lawsuit ''so silly that it is unworthy of comment.''
He called the tape ''an integral part of the story we presented'' and said Mr. Sharpton's response was included in its report. As for his statement that there was a second and exculpatory videotape, Mr. Stallone said, ''We indicated to him that we would welcome the chance to see it.''
It was hardly the first time that the tape and others have made trouble for Mr. Sharpton.
Just 10 years ago this summer, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, looking into reports of corruption in boxing, played audio and videotapes growing out of a 1980 F.B.I. investigation called Crown Royal.
On one of the tapes, presented by a former F.B.I. agent, Joseph A. Spinelli, who was then the New York State inspector general under Gov. Mario Cuomo, Mr. Sharpton is shown meeting with the undercover agent -- a supposed drug kingpin named Victor Quintana -- and a reputed mobster, Danny Pagano, discussing ways of approaching the boxing promoter Don King to arrange bouts and launder money.
On the tape, Mr. Sharpton tells the agent that he would get a ''fair deal'' from Mr. King because of Mr. Pagano's underworld connections.
At the same Senate hearing, Mr. Franzese, who had been caught in an F.B.I. sting and ended up cooperating with the government, testified that he had used Mr. Sharpton to get close to Mr. King and he added: ''I knew Sharpton and was aware that he was associated with people in the Genovese family, in particular with family soldier Danny Pagano.''
Mr. Franzese also testified that Mr. Sharpton had arranged a meeting with him on Jan. 12, 1983, in Mr. King's Manhattan office where Mr. Franzese reported that his efforts had been blessed by mob bosses in Cleveland.
At the time, Mr. Sharpton denied that he consorted with mobsters, saying he knew nothing of the backgrounds of those he met with. He said he had not been charged with any crime and called allegations from people like Mr. Franzese ''fabrications.''
Over the years, Mr. Spinelli has often cited Mr. Sharpton's involvement in his boxing investigation and in 1991, as inspector general, wrote an article in Sports Illustrated recounting it in detail. He said the F.B.I. case was dropped after a Korean boxer died in a title bout and the bureau feared that it was too risky for the F.B.I. to appear to be involved in promoting fights.
Mr. Spinelli, who now works at the accounting firm KPMG, did not return calls yesterday.
The existence of the other 1983 videotape showing Mr. Sharpton listening to the undercover agent offering cocaine and saying at one point ''I hear you'' was disclosed in articles in Newsday several years later. Law enforcement officials later told The New York Times that while Mr. Sharpton could not be prosecuted for what he said on the tape, they had bluffed him shortly after the tape was made into believing that he faced charges and so persuaded him to become a federal informant. They said he provided information about meetings held in the basement of Danny Pagano's father, Joseph, also reputed to be a mobster, information that led to the planting of a court-authorized listening device there. Joseph Pagano died before any charges were filed.
At the time of the Newsday article, Mr. Sharpton denied as ''ludicrous'' any statement that he had become an F.B.I. informant, but said that he had tapped his own phone to gather information on neighborhood drug dealers.
Andrew J. Maloney, who was serving as the United States attorney in Brooklyn, recalled yesterday that after that episode, Mr. Sharpton, facing state charges of tax evasion -- he was acquitted -- had visited Mr. Maloney's office to offer to provide certain information that Mr. Maloney yesterday declined to detail.
Newsday reported Mr. Sharpton's offer at the time. Mr. Sharpton said it concerned efforts to curb crack trafficking. Prosecutors, however, disagreed and said the information involved activities of an unidentified black leader.
At the time, The Times asked Mr. Sharpton whether he would instruct Mr. Maloney to disclose his conversations with the office. Mr. Sharpton said he would. Then he sent a note voiding his authorization.
Photos: At left, the Rev. Al Sharpton was greeted by a supporter after suing HBO and AOL Time Warner over HBO's broadcast of a 1983 F.B.I. tape in which an undercover agent offered Mr. Sharpton a drug deal. Above, Mr. Sharpton with the boxing promoter Don King, right, in 1997. The F.B.I. had taped him in an investigation of boxing. (Chester Higgins Jr./The New York Times); (Michael E. Palmer for The New York Times)

Re: Greatest Italian-American Mobster in history. [Re: njcapo35] #794300
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If you talk to any LE authorities whether you dry snitch or plain ol' snitch your considered a rat...There is no two way street with that, point blank period..A rat is a rat


Amen, NJ. Look at Wayne Grande in Philadelphia. His whole family pronounced him dead. He testified against drug dealers in prison and could have walked if he testified against Scarfo and company. His own son. Dominic and brother Joseph don't even recognize him, When one of their parents died they didn't even listed Wayne as a relative in the obit!

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Joseph Massino was also a great gangster even though he turned into the WPP but he had a lot of power and was one of the most influental and powerful guys in NY. It was even said that the commission planned to hatch the Colombo family up and let Lucchese absorb them, but Bonanno got the Colombos out of it. They also wanted to rename the famiy 'Massino Crime Family'


The whole thing is how strong you are and how much power you got and how fucking mean you areā€”that's what makes you rise in the mob. Every day's a fucking struggle, because you don't know who's looking to knock you off, especially when you become a captain or boss. Every day, somebody's looking to dispose of you and take your position. You always got to be on your toes. Every fucking day is a scam day to keep your power and position."
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