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Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: DallasConnected] #798782
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Cool. I know they act like they're connected lol! They wear a bunch of rings, jewelry and such. Hair spiked up some, tan and dark hair. Brothers for sure, could be twins. Pretty cool though as far as i can tell.

Oh and you were right, my buddy Matt who is a chef there is last name's not Nido. Truth is I don't even know half the girls last names i date:/

Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: strococs] #798873
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Is this rocco related to john delzoppo( dead)
Youve posted pics to me before that were no one . Maybe 2 tezt me ? Oh well , i know what i know &who i know and i've nuthin. To prove. Im Not made , never was , never considered .just a guy who saw alot , know alot & close to past & present guys . Theres alot of names not mentioned & they were & are connected & some were even Made men . Drop a few & we'll go from there
I have many pics & stories -- & it sucks becuz it would give me up . Im sure people look @ this & talk w/ others & inforn them.so better safe than sorry.

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Originally Posted By: Spadine
Is this rocco related to john delzoppo( dead)
Youve posted pics to me before that were no one . Maybe 2 tezt me ? Oh well , i know what i know &who i know and i've nuthin. To prove. Im Not made , never was , never considered .just a guy who saw alot , know alot & close to past & present guys . Theres alot of names not mentioned & they were & are connected & some were even Made men . Drop a few & we'll go from there
I have many pics & stories -- & it sucks becuz it would give me up . Im sure people look @ this & talk w/ others & inforn them.so better safe than sorry.


Actually those two pictures I posted are two Murray hill guys who were associates . The ones I sent you before were also associates.

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David Perrier

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Paul Lish

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I know this. Im a litlle younger & that possibly could be paul @ a much earlier age( i really dont think so) & that is not dave . I dont remember the other pics. Stroc , im not looking to get ina pissin match over a fuckin thread - its a waste of time . Ive told you on many occasions - i know only what i know & no more . If i say anything specific , refer to any exact incidents - it would be known( immediately) who i am . Sunday @ nido, @ the infamous "gangster ball" as its referrrd to jokingly, i looked at the people there i dont know, also ( i met people & was told their names) & i must admit - i kept wondering if one of them could be you . Also if u knew who i was , you wouldn' t be questioning anything & in the same respect i may not be questioning you if i knew you . So i'll leave it @ that .back in the day , you would have seen me w/ little Billy from chitwn whenever he came in. In fla w/A & D D' aug ,& here - ally , bonbon , occh ,loose , glen , john,& so forth & many many associstes , judges , black art , yelsky , giulianni, willis& on & on. So my ffiend til later.,arrivadecci

Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: Spadine] #800158
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Originally Posted By: Spadine
I know this. Im a litlle younger & that possibly could be paul @ a much earlier age( i really dont think so) & that is not dave . I dont remember the other pics. Stroc , im not looking to get ina pissin match over a fuckin thread - its a waste of time . Ive told you on many occasions - i know only what i know & no more . If i say anything specific , refer to any exact incidents - it would be known( immediately) who i am . Sunday @ nido, @ the infamous "gangster ball" as its referrrd to jokingly, i looked at the people there i dont know, also ( i met people & was told their names) & i must admit - i kept wondering if one of them could be you . Also if u knew who i was , you wouldn' t be questioning anything & in the same respect i may not be questioning you if i knew you . So i'll leave it @ that .back in the day , you would have seen me w/ little Billy from chitwn whenever he came in. In fla w/A & D D' aug ,& here - ally , bonbon , occh ,loose , glen , john,& so forth & many many associstes , judges , black art , yelsky , giulianni, willis& on & on. So my ffiend til later.,arrivadecci


Defiantly is Paul Lish and Dave.

Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: DallasConnected] #800159
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Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: DallasConnected] #800514
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Bones was a great man . Loved him .he , ciro , archie , gary midget, mutt , trunzo all gone . Good guys ! Delano really one of only of those guys left. Delguyd & few others- man those were the good old days . Pic of perrier has to be from 1975 or so & if thats paul that has to be from the 60's - still am not sure thats dave though . Actually drove his old brown olds cuz he was destryed on ludes! Hair much lighter , no beard but thick mustache . Saw Fritz grawe - he didnt think it . U remember young pete digravio ? Got the pizza place over in euclid . Look stroc , trust me , if ur from the neighborhood you would know me instantly in seeing me & know theres no bs here .sure to talk more _ take itease .

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Originally Posted By: Spadine
Bones was a great man . Loved him .he , ciro , archie , gary midget, mutt , trunzo all gone . Good guys ! Delano really one of only of those guys left. Delguyd & few others- man those were the good old days . Pic of perrier has to be from 1975 or so & if thats paul that has to be from the 60's - still am not sure thats dave though . Actually drove his old brown olds cuz he was destryed on ludes! Hair much lighter , no beard but thick mustache . Saw Fritz grawe - he didnt think it . U remember young pete digravio ? Got the pizza place over in euclid . Look stroc , trust me , if ur from the neighborhood you would know me instantly in seeing me & know theres no bs here .sure to talk more _ take itease .


he was A world class ball buster. I posted A bunch more I cant figure out this site and the pictures. It takes me to long to get the pics up. The names should be posted with the pictures. I don't care if your from the hill or not just posting the pictures for the forum.

Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: Friend_of_Henry] #814012
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I have no "direct" knowledge, but he was suspected of multiple murders in the late1970's and early 1980's for Jo Jo Pecora. Friend of Henry, hence the name, will be able to better answer. Although he and Zebo broke bread on many occasions, Friend of Henry was as close as you could be without crossing the line of no return.

Fortunately Henry never allowed me to even consider "The Life". I was truly a "Family Friend", but a very close friend.
Thus a simple answer to the question: Yes, Henry was made late in life by Michael in a very private ceremony.

As you would suspect: Murder was never discussed - period.

As I previously stated: Henry was part of Jo Jo's original crew. He went with Joe to West Virginia. He built a really nice ranch home not far from the clubs and lived with his second wife, Sheila and raised their daughters.

Henry started as a bus-boy at Club 30 then as pit-boss at theJockey Club and finally as Casino Manager at the Red Dog.

After the clubs closed in West Virginia, he was the Jo Jo's go between with Paul Hankish, Pat Ferruccio and Lenny Strollo. He and Pat were avid stamp collectors ;-) Henry also managed a homemade pasta business in New Castle, Pa.

As the All-American Club in Campbell grew into one of the highest grossing casinos outside of Las Vegas, he was assigned to protect Pittsburgh's sizeable interests.It was under Lenny's control and managed by his lifelong friend, Bernie the Jew. Bernie, a degenerate gambler, real tough guy and loose cannon, became harder to manage. Thus Zebo, one of the very few that Bernie feared and more important, respected, spent most of his evenings at the club.

After Joey Naples death, Lenny really got too full of himself. BTW: Lenny didn't order Joey's demise. Michael grew concerned that Lenny would really go off the rails and insisted that Zebo be made. After-all, how could/would Lenny, a made man himself, take orders from a non made man?

Henry never wanted to be made as he always felt he didn't need a target on his back, just let me make money. As I learned in later years, Henry always felt that Jo Jo held him back because he refused to be made. He always felt that he didn't make the kind of money he deserved and realized that this was his opportunity. If fact he told me he never made any real money until Michael took over.

Ultimately his dream was the casino on the Indian reservation. All of that came to an end with Chuckie. Additionally Henry was diagnosed with a terminal bone cancer. He was placed on a donor list but felt that one of his "close" FBI friends may have held him back. Thus his early death ;-(





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I see you mentioned Pat Ferruccio name - I used to do some business with him. His Attorney "Howard" was good friends with my Wife and I and other Friends. "Howard" used to represent a lot of guys in the Area.

Also I never see anyone mention the Bookmaking Operation in Akron. Never mention the Sicilian Club or Nick Anthe's later. Any of the Real Estate Deals and Land Swapping with a certain Youngstown Developer, etc.

Someone mentioned Sabatini's - I remember Jimmy Sabatini in the Asphalt Business in Youngstown Area. Is that who someone was referring to?

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I first met Pat, through Henry, at a restaurant in a motel owned by Lenny Strollo. Pat was the first guy I knew that drove a Rolls. Henry took me along for several other cups of coffee with Pat over the years, but never any discussion of his attorney, at least in front of me.

Never any talk of Bookmaking, only the vending business. A few dinners at Nick Anthe's ;-) Which Real Estate Developer in Youngstown? The one in Boardman or the one on the North side of Youngstown?

No, not Jim Sabatini. The Sabatini family that is mentioned is from Warren, Ohio. They operated a very good restaurant in Warren for a number of years.


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Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: DallasConnected] #814019
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Yeah, Pat liked the Vending Business of course - lots of quarters.

Real Estate Developer in Boardman of course - I remember in Akron when the call came in to another Real Estate Family Member on his red phone. Or when the call was made the other way and said Ed D or Eddie however you want to say Sr. name. I was there on many occasions back around 1979-1981 era. Ed D was the largest unsecured creditor for that Developer's Bankruptcy and I was the second largest unsecured creditor.

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As my wife says: "six degrees of separation"! I'm one of two EJD Sr. God-Sons. I'll bet we have met. Send me a PM if you want to discuss this further.


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Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: DallasConnected] #814064
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in reading the posts about Cleveland, didn't see anything about the danny greene- john nardi war. the book "kill the Irishman" says danny greene killed 8 made Cleveland guys who were out to kill him.

says john nardi was using greene and his celtic club to help him rise to boss of the Cleveland family.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: Binnie_Coll] #814366
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
in reading the posts about Cleveland, didn't see anything about the danny greene- john nardi war. the book "kill the Irishman" says danny greene killed 8 made Cleveland guys who were out to kill him.

says john nardi was using greene and his celtic club to help him rise to boss of the Cleveland family.


Binnie, you got my nose open. Now I gotta read about Danny Greene. Eight made men? Wow!


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Re: Cleveland's Bookmaking Operation..... [Re: DallasConnected] #814411
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yeah, alfa, I understand there was a real war. haven't read the book yet. appreciate your input.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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I don't know if he killed 8 Made guys, but him and Nardi were responsible for a couple of Cleveland guys being blown up, and they were also supposedly involved in the disappearance of Lips Moceri. And yeah, Nardi had ambitions of becoming boss of the Cleveland Family, I think Greene was aware of this as well, felt like if Nardi was at the top, he wouldn't have to take orders anymore or give the Italians a cut of whatever he was doing, I suppose.

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yeah, ive got to get the book 'kill the Irishman" but, I do understand that he was with nardi, and, it was a bloody war.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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I didn't know there was a Little Italy left in Cleveland. I was there a few times back in 2006-2007 and didn't see anyone but college students and a bunch of black people.


Sadly some of those mooleys even attend the feast!! and A good number of our Italian youths act like them .


1920 called, they want their racism back


I just call them like I see them.




no u don't, u walk past them in fear for your life

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LMAO!!!

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is corbo's still here..

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Funnily enough I just watched the film version of this last night, never having heard about Danny Greene, the man had 9 lives. smile
It's either called Kill the Irishman or Bulletproof Ganster, worth a watch, haven't read the book.
Also the guy who planted the bomb that killed him turned and his arrest led to the Mafia Commission Trial.

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Originally Posted By: LugsBrannigan
Funnily enough I just watched the film version of this last night, never having heard about Danny Greene, the man had 9 lives. smile
It's either called Kill the Irishman or Bulletproof Ganster, worth a watch, haven't read the book.
Also the guy who planted the bomb that killed him turned and his arrest led to the Mafia Commission Trial.

If you're referring to a guy from Youngstown as the "guy who planted the bomb": He never turned. He did his time and now spends most of his time in Florida.

The young lady in the produce business, depicted in To Kill the Irishman, was also from Youngstown.


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I was referring to Ray Ferritto. Another intriguing story, setting up his own crew after doing his time and leaving the programme.

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Originally Posted By: Friend_of_Henry
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Funnily enough I just watched the film version of this last night, never having heard about Danny Greene, the man had 9 lives. smile
It's either called Kill the Irishman or Bulletproof Ganster, worth a watch, haven't read the book.
Also the guy who planted the bomb that killed him turned and his arrest led to the Mafia Commission Trial.

If you're referring to a guy from Youngstown as the "guy who planted the bomb": He never turned. He did his time and now spends most of his time in Florida.

The young lady in the produce business, depicted in To Kill the Irishman, was also from Youngstown.

Good post, Henry.

Best poster in regards to Ohio smile.


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Funnily enough I just watched the film version of this last night, never having heard about Danny Greene, the man had 9 lives. smile
It's either called Kill the Irishman or Bulletproof Ganster, worth a watch, haven't read the book.
Also the guy who planted the bomb that killed him turned and his arrest led to the Mafia Commission Trial.

If you're referring to a guy from Youngstown as the "guy who planted the bomb": He never turned. He did his time and now spends most of his time in Florida.

The young lady in the produce business, depicted in To Kill the Irishman, was also from Youngstown.

Good post, Henry.

Best poster in regards to Ohio smile.

Thanx for your endorsement. Although I don't think I'm the best regarding Ohio. I know of at least one better.

However I might be pretty good when detailing my personal FTF experiences with the LaRocca era Pittsburgh crew.


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Well, to a New York guy, Ohio and Western Pennsylvania overlap. I guess it's similar to a guy from the midwest thinking that the Bronx and Staten Island are right on top of each other when nothing could be further from the truth.


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Friend of Henry is certainly an insider who I value and am proud to call a "friend."


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Well i got this thread started and from what i read. There is no one that gets kicked up to in Cleveland....Relocating to Mentor Ohio and interested in the Cleveland history....

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