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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: blacksheep] #789350
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Originally Posted By: blacksheep
I was young at the time and wasn't reading the paper aside from catching snoopy comics, but when you're with a crew that killed up to a couple hundred people, I imagine you would at least get a passing mention in the newspaper

That's the thing. So many of the board members grew up in the Internet age, that they just can't conceptualize that not everything was a headline back then. And a lot of these mob slayings were so common that they ended up "blurbs" on page twenty.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789352
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If you post on this site, your a mob fan boy. Everyone here has a favorite mob guy who was likely a scumbag.

Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789356
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Jimmy that's not quite true. Some of us have other history that brings us here but not necessarily rooting for a mobster


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789358
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And PB yeah anyone who reached the age where they could understand a few things around them by the 80s knew that mob killings were a common thing. If a high level guy got clipped then it would be fairly big news. But if they gave a front page story to every dead or incarcerated mobster they wouldn't have room for other stories


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: JimmyIrons] #789359
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Originally Posted By: JimmyIrons
If you post on this site, your a mob fan boy. Everyone here has a favorite mob guy who was likely a scumbag.

I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if they all died in jail. Well, the murderers, anyway.

Everyone is responsible for his own life.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789361
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I don't have a big problem with people who deliver vices, but I just don't like the ones who fuck with ordinary citizens. Me and PB differ a bit on the murderers. I don't like senseless violence, but sometimes people need killin'


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: blacksheep] #789363
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Originally Posted By: blacksheep
I don't have a big problem with people who deliver vices, but I just don't like the ones who fuck with ordinary citizens. Me and PB differ a bit on the murderers. I don't like senseless violence, but sometimes people need killin'

I'm not talking about if you avenge the rape or murder of someone close to you. Some people just don't deserve to live after an act like that.

I'm in the Bronx for more than fifty years. If you want to see how soft I am, try coming through my window at three in the morning wink .


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789365
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Ha I don't wanna put you to the test. But to me when people avenge violent acts it's ok. But the mob got carried away with it and started killing people for insults or not showing up to a meeting or ridiculous shit like that. That's too much. Plus I have a regular civilian friend who lost a property half price under threat of death. I don't have any soft spot for scumbags who do shit like that


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: blacksheep] #789366
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Originally Posted By: blacksheep
Ha I don't wanna put you to the test. But to me when people avenge violent acts it's ok. But the mob got carried away with it and started killing people for insults or not showing up to a meeting or ridiculous shit like that. That's too much. Plus I have a regular civilian friend who lost a property half price under threat of death. I don't have any soft spot for scumbags who do shit like that

So we're in agreement smile.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789372
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I generally hate organized crime and enjoy them ratting on each other and ending up in jail, but I have almost no problem with this guy who had killed the murderer of his 2-year-old son
http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Joseph_Gelosi

(Just came to mind since I have recently read some old newspaper articles about the case)


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789374
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Well PB where would u stand on the demeo/Rosenberg thing? That type of thing is understandable to me. There was no threat from Chris to roy, but certain shit he did put roy in danger. Those are the gray areas that don't bother me. I just don't like victimizing people.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: Dwalin2011] #789376
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That's it, Dwalin. There are certainly cases with extenuating circumstances. But when you start killing people because they won't pay tribute (the Barstow and Kubecka murders, for instance), or for no other reason than they spilled a drink on your friend (Bobby Vernace), then don't go looking for any sympathy from decent, open minded people.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: blacksheep] #789377
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Originally Posted By: blacksheep
Well PB where would u stand on the demeo/Rosenberg thing? That type of thing is understandable to me. There was no threat from Chris to roy, but certain shit he did put roy in danger. Those are the gray areas that don't bother me. I just don't like victimizing people.

Rosenberg was a killer himself. Live by the sword and all that.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789378
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Ok then we're on the same page.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: blacksheep] #789380
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Ok then we're on the same page.

Yeah, I already said that smile .


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: PaulieSenter] #789383
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I agree, PB. Still don't get it why Avellino got only 10 years for that double murder (Kubecka and Barstow). In the USA the mafia has killed less innocents that in Italy, but in this particulas murder there really should have been an exemplary sentence, and the hitmen weren't even prosecuted I think.

By the way, what's the big deal with Senter and Testa never ratting? In my opinion, that doesn't make them better to the slightest degree, it's like with Amuso and Casso: both are basically the same, yet Amuso gets more respect just because he didn't testify. It's as if Casso was a scumbag ONLY because he is a rat, NOT because he is a murderer (I am not referring to you, but there were some people on another blog who reasoned like that).


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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
I agree, PB. Still don't get it why Avellino got only 10 years for that double murder (Kubecka and Barstow). In the USA the mafia has killed less innocents that in Italy, but in this particulas murder there really should have been an exemplary sentence, and the hitmen weren't even prosecuted I think.

By the way, what's the big deal with Senter and Testa never ratting? In my opinion, that doesn't make them better to the slightest degree, it's like with Amuso and Casso: both are basically the same, yet Amuso gets more respect just because he didn't testify. It's as if Casso was a scumbag ONLY because he is a rat, NOT because he is a murderer (I am not referring to you, but there were some people on another blog who reasoned like that).


Well u asked PB but I'll butt in with my 2 cents. I have a problem with rats because they're lower than the rest. They're not ratting because they realized that the life they lived was wrong and they want to put the bad guys away. They're ratting cause they got caught and they're weak so they screw their partners and friends.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: Dwalin2011] #789387
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
By the way, what's the big deal with Senter and Testa never ratting? In my opinion, that doesn't make them better to the slightest degree, it's like with Amuso and Casso: both are basically the same, yet Amuso gets more respect just because he didn't testify. It's as if Casso was a scumbag ONLY because he is a rat, NOT because he is a murderer (I am not referring to you, but there were some people on another blog who reasoned like that).

All true. And I doubt they were ever offered the opportunity, anyway. DeMeo was already dead at that point, and he was their point man.

There's a misconception that anyone can rat. That's bullshit. If you have nothing to trade up---and even if you do, it better be significant---the Feds aren't interested.


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Re: Joey Testa Anthony Senter Think About It [Re: blacksheep] #789388
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Well u asked PB but I'll butt in with my 2 cents. I have a problem with rats because they're lower than the rest. They're not ratting because they realized that the life they lived was wrong and they want to put the bad guys away. They're ratting cause they got caught and they're weak so they screw their partners and friends.

Of course, where did I contradict any of that? confused

These assholes all get religion after the fact. It's easy to be believe in God when you've already seen Jesus. And in their case, Jesus is just a metaphor for a get-out-of-jail-free card.


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Originally Posted By: blacksheep

Well u asked PB but I'll butt in with my 2 cents. I have a problem with rats because they're lower than the rest. They're not ratting because they realized that the life they lived was wrong and they want to put the bad guys away. They're ratting cause they got caught and they're weak so they screw their partners and friends.

I agree that they are morally worthless, but at least rats can be used as tools to bring down the rest of the organizations. I am not saying Testa and Senter should have been released if they had testified, the privileges for informants are monstrous, like Gravano getting 5 years for all the murders or Vincenzo Chiodo in Sicily only 18 years for a murder of a child, of which he had to serve in prison only 4 and a half.


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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: blacksheep
Well u asked PB but I'll butt in with my 2 cents. I have a problem with rats because they're lower than the rest. They're not ratting because they realized that the life they lived was wrong and they want to put the bad guys away. They're ratting cause they got caught and they're weak so they screw their partners and friends.

Of course, where did I contradict any of that? confused

These asshole all get religion after the fact. It's easy to be believe in God when you've already seen Jesus. And in their case, Jesus is just a metaphor for a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Didn't say u contradicted it.. I just said I was butting in since it seemed the question was for you. I didn't see any reply by the time I hit submit..


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Gotcha, Black Sheep smile.


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I'm just getting ahead of myself. Bored and refreshing the page while I wait for 30 Rock to come on..


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

If you have nothing to trade up---and even if you do, it better be significant---the Feds aren't interested.

If it's TOO significant (like a corrupt politician of a national level) or their own corrupt FBI colleagues, they will be even less interested...


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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i live in sweden and im the only one here that has ever heard of DeMeo Crew!?

Not the only one pal. I've read a lot about the twins and about the Demeo crew but it seems there isn't much left that's new.

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Im reading Murder Machine at the moment, just about halfway done. I disregarded Roy as a decent human being when I read he was dealing kiddy porn, completely fucked up. Hated the Gemini twins after the Cheryl Gordon murder as well.

Out of all the mob books I've read the DeMeo crew is definately the worst bunch of LCN members I have ever read about, the amount of civilians and women they killed is ridiculous. In turn, it also makes me dislike Castellano for letting all of this happen. One of the other posters was corrected in saying these guys were more serial killers than mobsters.

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Keep in mind senter amd testa were money makers, not just killers. I just think the number of their murders are exaggerated big time.

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