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LCN game changer? Yes or no? #785453
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Supreme Court Allows Ban on Sports Betting To Stand
BY PETE WILLIAMS
The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a challenge brought by the state of New Jersey to a federal ban on state-sanctioned sports betting.

New Jersey voters in 2011 approved amending the state constitution to allow sports wagering. The legislature followed up with a law, signed by Gov. Chris Christie in 2012, that allowed betting — at casinos and horse-racing tracks — on professional, amateur, and some college sporting events. Supporters of the law said it would help the state raise tax revenue, increase tourism, and counter the flourishing illegal market in sports betting.

But the law was immediately challenged by the NCAA and by the professional baseball, football, basketball, and hockey leagues. They said it violated a federal ban, enacted by Congress in 1992, that was intended to stop the spread of sports betting. The federal law blocked 46 of the 50 states from licensing or allowing sports betting inside their borders. Nevada, Delaware, Montana, and Oregon were allowed to continue sports betting programs they had already begun.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-ban-sports-betting-stand-n138331


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785455
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Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Supreme Court Allows Ban on Sports Betting To Stand
BY PETE WILLIAMS
The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a challenge brought by the state of New Jersey to a federal ban on state-sanctioned sports betting.

New Jersey voters in 2011 approved amending the state constitution to allow sports wagering. The legislature followed up with a law, signed by Gov. Chris Christie in 2012, that allowed betting — at casinos and horse-racing tracks — on professional, amateur, and some college sporting events. Supporters of the law said it would help the state raise tax revenue, increase tourism, and counter the flourishing illegal market in sports betting.

But the law was immediately challenged by the NCAA and by the professional baseball, football, basketball, and hockey leagues. They said it violated a federal ban, enacted by Congress in 1992, that was intended to stop the spread of sports betting. The federal law blocked 46 of the 50 states from licensing or allowing sports betting inside their borders. Nevada, Delaware, Montana, and Oregon were allowed to continue sports betting programs they had already begun.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-ban-sports-betting-stand-n138331


Frank,

No, either way I think the LCN makes money, keep the ban and the books make more money, get rid of the ban and the LCN does more offshore gambling.

Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785461
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I just feel like this has to shrink the pie for your run of the mill associate or member. I prefer to bet with a neighborhood bookie but half of the reason is b/c of nostalgia/ credit. I don't think every gambler is like me (most would probably rather avoid characters like these).


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: NNY78] #785463
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Originally Posted By: NNY78
No, either way I think the LCN makes money, keep the ban and the books make more money, get rid of the ban and the LCN does more offshore gambling.

I disagree, buddy. If they lift the ban it has to hurt the street guys. Sure, they'll still make money. But not as much. Just look at what the State number did to the street number. Same principle.

And if the ban ever does go through, you can look for the State to turn the heat WAY UP on illegal bookmakers. Because in their eyes they'd be stealing State revenue.


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785474
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Agreed, PB. If ever there were a need for mob guys to send some cash donations to lobby their local Assemblyman/ Senator, it is if this bill is ever re-proposed!!!


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I say the street will still survive because of the credit and the comfort of being home on the couch clicking a button or calling someone to bet. Casinos can be annoying and expensive to stay in. Eating, drinking blah blah blah.

One condition. And that is the what PB already said. They turn the heat the fuck up


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785535
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Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Agreed, PB. If ever there were a need for mob guys to send some cash donations to lobby their local Assemblyman/ Senator, it is if this bill is ever re-proposed!!!


trust me it happens

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I think both PB and cheech are correct. Legalized sports betting would cut into the mob's racket, just like the legal state lotto did the numbers game, but it wouldn't completely wipe it out. Nor would I think the effect be as big. The numbers racket isn't as big a business for the mob solely because of the state lotto. It's also because the mob's clientele changed it's gambling habits. Sports betting is much more popular now than betting on a number. And there will always be those who prefer to not have to put money up front, pay taxes on their winnings, etc.


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New York City's Five Families owned the 20th Century. Now they must confront the 21st — still alive, still armed and still dangerous.

Today's traditional Mafia family has ventured far from its roots as an ultra-secret society formed in the streets of New York at the dawn of the Depression.

The evolution has been epic.

To some, it appears a gang of criminals has turned into a popular culture commodity, spawning movies and TV shows that will long outlast the real-life story.

In that version, the bosses are in jail, the gang is undone, and all that's left is the book and movie deal.

In reality, the mob somehow survives, transforming, changing, adapting to the new economies and technologies — sometimes a jump quicker than law enforcement.

"As the economy goes, these guys go," said Michael Gaeta, supervisor of the New York FBI's organized crime unit. "Despite our attacks, they've managed to adapt."

Strategically, law enforcement sources say, the mob is closer to its roots, returning to the shadows, avoiding the public walk-talks that brought law enforcement to their door.

They still reap ill-gotten gains from traditional sources. They still have some control over corrupt contractors and unions, and illegal gambling continues as a primary source of wealth.

They've also diversified, crafting new scams befitting a new century.

"They're clearly not as visible as they used to be," Gaeta said. "You're not going to see the regular meetings you used to see. They're much more compartmentalized.

"They're smarter about the way they conduct business. At meetings, they make sure everybody leaves their cell phone at the door."

Today's Mafia families no longer perform the ornate induction ceremonies in which a card depicting a saint is burned and a gun is displayed. They've ditched the saint and the gun.

Still, they induct new members when old ones die, and they find new ways to steal.

Several families, for instance, got in on the housing boom of 2002-2007 through corrupt construction companies and unions, court papers and sources say.

Records show mob-linked companies have been subcontractors on most of the major projects of the last few years, including highway repair, the midtown office tower boom, the massive water treatment plant in the Bronx, even the rebuilding of the World Trade Center.

"They were taking full advantage of that — even if it was only removing waste from a construction site," one source said. "They'd have their favorite companies getting jobs. If the union was a problem, they'd take care of it."

Each family had a different method of adapting to the new century.

In the Wall Street boom, a Luchese soldier formed a fake hedge fund, operating out of a one-family house in Staten Island. He conned hundreds of wealthy investors into putting their money in bundled mortgage securities — one of the major causes of the economy's collapse.

When the housing bubble burst, a Genovese crew cashed in on the wave of foreclosures through house-flipping schemes in suburban Westchester.

The Gambino family stole credit card numbers via Internet porn sites, laundered gambling money through an energy drink company called American Blast, and took over a company that distributed bottled water — a far cry from the Prohibition days of bootlegging.

All the families use the Web to enhance their multi-million dollar illegal gambling empires through offshore betting shell corporations.

As part of the new mob order, the penchant for violence has diminished.

That is a sea change in New York that also represents a return to the old ways.

For years, the five families divided up New York City in mostly peaceful co-existence, with occasional bouts of behind-the-scenes violence usually wrought by internal power struggles.

Bloodshed began to escalate in the 1980s, as bodies turned up in Staten Island swamps, the World Trade Center garage, even at the doorstep of Sparks Steakhouse in midtown Manhattan.

Then came a major shift in the mob's ability to enforce the vow of silence known as ‘omerta.' In 1991, Gambino underboss Salvatore (Sammy Bull) Gravano decided to become an informant.

A wave of informants followed, which deteriorated into shootouts in the streets and dozens of suspected informants who disappeared.

Since 2000, the number of bodies has dropped precipitously, law enforcement sources say. They take this as a sign that the mob once again craves a lower profile to avoid scrutiny.

"They keep things calm," one source said. "They try to keep things looking legit. They'd rather take 5 cents from 1,000 people than $10,000 from one."

They've also adopted management changes. Since the conviction of all the major bosses of the middle 20th century, all five families have struggled to find replacements who will last.

Three of the five families have retired the official boss altogether, forming flexible leadership panels that mediate disputes and enforce the so-called rules.

"They retrenched. They became much less visible," said one law enforcement source. "The days of John Gotti nonsense, you don't see that anymore."

Today, the mob's haunts aren't what they were. Neighborhoods of Italian immigrants that once served as Ground Zero of Mafia-dom are ethnically diverse, with many former residents relegated to suburbia.

The days when mobsters hung out at inner city social clubs — and FBI agents watched from nearby vans with tinted windows — are rare.

Some of the best-known clubs have just vanished:

Gravano's old hangout, Tali's Bar in Bensonhurst, where bar owner Mikey DeBatt was whacked in the back room by one of Gravano's crew, is a Vietnamese restaurant.

John Gotti's Ravenite Social Club is a trendy shoe store.

The Palma Boys Club, where the Genovese family met is an empty store front with lime green walls, is up for lease.

The Wimpy Boys Club in Gravesend— where a mob moll was once shot in the head and her ear turned up weeks later — is now Sal's Hair Stylist.

But just because they can't be seen doesn't mean they aren't there.

gsmith@nydailynews.com


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/21...3#ixzz35YUWAFZD

Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785594
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Great article, wish I still got the Daily News to go with my Star Ledger subscription.

A good case study on a smaller scale might be Delaware. They've had legalized gambling since 2009. To my knowledge the only crew operating there is Philly's Delco Crew. Annnnnd we had Delco-Nostra back in '08.


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785602
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Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Great article, wish I still got the Daily News to go with my Star Ledger subscription.

A good case study on a smaller scale might be Delaware. They've had legalized gambling since 2009. To my knowledge the only crew operating there is Philly's Delco Crew. Annnnnd we had Delco-Nostra back in '08.



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"Today we look at the two most powerful groups — the Gambino family and the Genovese family. In upcoming days, we'll examine the other families, the modern-day waterfront and dramatic stories from a mob insider and the family of a murder victim"

where do they look?

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Greg B. Smith is a hack writer who DREAMS of having the same mafia to cover that Breslin, Hamill and even Capeci did.


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Capeci had a gangland column daily back in the 80s


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: cheech] #785631
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Originally Posted By: cheech
Capeci had a gangland column daily back in the 80s

Really?? whistle

I posted "even Capeci" because Capeci got off during the Gotti years, which coincided with the end of "hard boiled" journalism (like I said, guys like Breslin and Hamill were the last of their kind).

And to be fair to Smith, he did write a couple of decent books. But his newspaper articles leave a lot to be desired, and they all end with something like "they're still in the shadows," or something similar. And they are. But Smith wants them to be as strong as they used to be so he can sell books. And it shows.


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Originally Posted By: cheech
Capeci had a gangland column daily back in the 80s

Oh, just for the record. The column ran once a week. On Tuesdays.


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i was 8, it seems like once a week now... lol lol tongue

seriously, it seemed something was happening all the time back then

i distinctly rememebr them making a big deal about Leonetti testifying


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: cheech] #785640
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Originally Posted By: cheech
i was 8, it seems like once a week now... lol lol tongue

seriously, it seemed something was happening all the time back then

i distinctly rememebr them making a big deal about Leonetti testifying

Yeah, it was honestly much bigger news back then than it is now.

Now don't get me wrong. You still have your mob watchers on sites like this every day. But back then, even the average citizen read those articles. That's the difference.

25 years ago, any putz on the street could have told you who Carlo Gambino or John Gotti were. Walk down the street today and ask your average citizen type who Frank Cali or Tony Palumbo are. Guaranteed you don't get an answer four out of five times.


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i should have wrote seemed like


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Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Great article, wish I still got the Daily News to go with my Star Ledger subscription.


Frank,

I still get the Daily News and The Post on the weekends, the Front page headlines are comical and they usually have some good reporting.

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With a bookmaker you bet with no cash out of pocket casino or race track cash up front plus you have to be at the casino to place your bet. A lot of people bet on the come worst case they borrow to pay the book.

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Originally Posted By: Lilange
With a bookmaker you bet with no cash out of pocket casino or race track cash up front plus you have to be at the casino to place your bet. A lot of people bet on the come worst case they borrow to pay the book.


Obviously. But you cannot deny that business would take a severe hit with legalization of sports book.


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With a bookmaker you bet with no cash out of pocket casino or race track cash up front plus you have to be at the casino to place your bet. A lot of people bet on the come worst case they borrow to pay the book.


Obviously. But you cannot deny that business would take a severe hit with legalization of sports book.


Yea a hit but obviously I'm not gonna drive on a Sunday morning on the garden state to place a bet. I'd rather go on line or call my office.


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They can make it legal in every state a lot of people will bet with bookmakers on line or with their office, biggest thing you don't lay your money out and it's convenience

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It won't be severe unless the Feds crack the fuck down. Only way

Numbers is waaaaay different. First of all you can bet fifty fucking cents. You don't need credit for that. Second of all you can play a number on any corner in the country.

No one would drive to the sino on a Sunday morning just to place a bet. Some people live an hour or so just to ge there. If your a parent forget about it cause you got football. Soccer. Karate. Basketball. Cheerleading. Dance. Whatever the fuck.

Why post up if you don't have to. Why pay taxes if you don't have to. Why even have a ticket that you may lose. Then if you do we win drive back down and cash it in. If you go to a casino you get THEIR line. If you got 4 locals u can shop lines.

I can go on and on

Unless the Feds don't fuck around anymore the streets guys won't miss a beat.


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: cheech] #785725
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Originally Posted By: cheech
It won't be severe unless the Feds crack the fuck down. Only way

And what makes you thunk the Feds wouldn't be involved in a joint task force every step of the way?

How many of your friends and neighbors up there have to give up five and ten year chunks of their lives before you realize that the Feds are NEVER GOING TO STOP going after bookmakers if they think they're connected to LCN?

It's all moot anyway because it's not going to happen. The Indian casinos in New York and Connecticut will keep bribing the lobbyists to prevent it from going through. And even without a payoff, the Indians are still one of the most fashionable "victim" groups in the country. No one wants to piss them off.

But if it ever did go through---and again, that's a huge if that's not going to happen, anyway---the same joint task forces that went after the numbers guys in the mid '80s will be going after the bookmakers now. Because they don't like the state losing potential revenue.

And just for the record, I completely agree that the street guys will always be in business. It's easier, it's more nostalgic, it's everything. But anyone who thinks that legalized sports betting wouldn't put a dent into the street is putting their head in the sand and wishing it was still 1975. And the really funny thing is, most of you guys weren't even born in 1975 tongue grin .


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It would be a big boom for AC which needs it

Id surely be down there more and especially for Super Bowl and March Madness , opening NFL weekend etc.,

Volume would certainly do down a bit for the wise guy but they would still be fine . Nobody and I mean nobody could win sports paying a vig plus taxes on any winnings . Betting on credit is a real difference maker IMO .

It would be awesome but I doubt it passes , would hurt the wise guy a bit but not knock em out , right now there are books everywhere ( connected or not but who really knows who the bank is until a bust ) , business has to be pretty good on the sports side right now IMO, and I'm sure this applies thru out the country , World Cup probably has these guys real busy in what is normally slow time of year

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Originally Posted By: cheech
It won't be severe unless the Feds crack the fuck down. Only way

And what makes you thunk the Feds wouldn't be involved in a joint task force every step of the way?

How many of your friends and neighbors up there have to give up five and ten year chunks of their lives before you realize that the Feds are NEVER GOING TO STOP going after bookmakers if they think they're connected to LCN?

It's all moot anyway because it's not going to happen. The Indian casinos in New York and Connecticut will keep bribing the lobbyists to prevent it from going through. And even without a payoff, the Indians are still one of the most fashionable "victim" groups in the country. No one wants to piss them off.

But if it ever did go through---and again, that's a huge if that's not going to happen, anyway---the same joint task forces that went after the numbers guys in the mid '80s will be going after the bookmakers now. Because they don't like the state losing potential revenue.

And just for the record, I completely agree that the street guys will always be in business. It's easier, it's more nostalgic, it's everything. But anyone who thinks that legalized sports betting wouldn't put a dent into the street is putting their head in the sand and wishing it was still 1975. And the really funny thing is, most of you guys weren't even born in 1975 tongue grin .



I think you read it wrong. I was agreeing. cry


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785742
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I also was only talking New Jersey. Not the country. Country different story

I was agreeing on the Feds aspect


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Re: LCN game changer? Yes or no? [Re: FrankMazola] #785744
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For the better it's practically legal. Think about it. How many betters get arrested. Only thing they worry about is getting stiffed if hit big. And most wouldn't hit big without the credit anyways. Guys have a floating fig all the time.


And I like 2014 just fine wink


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