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How many shooters does the mob have? #778788 05/18/14 09:50 AM 05/18/14 09:50 AM
Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 235 NE1020 OP Made Member
NE1020 OP Made Member Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 235	I know that every made man or associate in a family isn't necessarily capable of carrying out a hit, some might have never seen a gun. I would like to know how many shooters or 'button men" a family has particularly in their peak. I read in an earlier post that a genovese capo was heard saying on a bug that the family has about 40 shooters, what would they have back in the LCN's heyday?

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #778829 05/18/14 01:16 PM 05/18/14 01:16 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 111 T Tyler_Durden Made Member
Tyler_Durden T Made Member Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 111	I guess it depends on what you consider a 'shooter'. I think that particular Genovese guy mentioned they had about 40 'good guys' or something to that effect. But I find it hard to believe that a 200+ soldiers and 1000+ associates family like the Genoveses only had 40 guys capable of violence. Basically there's a difference between someone like Tommy Pitera or Harry Aleman and your average tough guy. Traditionally most crews(in New York or Chicago at least)have always had a lot of young tough kids willing to pick up a gun and shoot it out(there were a lot of those in the Colombo war in the 90s), but fewer pros. So I guess the answer is a lot(during better times). But the majority of those would have more in common with Bloods and Crips than with 'professional hitmen'.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: Tyler_Durden] #778836 05/18/14 01:32 PM 05/18/14 01:32 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor
pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	How many shooters does the mob have? 416 and a half. "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #778854 05/18/14 03:16 PM 05/18/14 03:16 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 541 D dsbaloo Underboss
dsbaloo D Underboss Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 541	I feel like the average person seems to think the mob has a lot more heavy shooters than they actually do.. Not every guy with a button is a killer, honestly I think there's a small number of go to guys who are shooters.. Especially in this day and age.. Being an earner and a thinker is a lot more valuable to a family than a shooter.. But shooters are also necessary to have.. There's guys like frank cali who I've heard has never even held a gun is his life let alone hit anyone.. Then there was crews like tg grazianos who had great earners like porky and then had some shooters who didn't have a dollar to their names.. I think its rare for a guy to be a huge earner and also a capable killer.. Plus these days killers aren't needed as much.. Killing seems like an absolute last resort now so having 100 members who are only good for killing isn't really a great asset to the family.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #778889 05/18/14 06:28 PM 05/18/14 06:28 PM
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 196 T TheAustralian Made Member
TheAustralian T Made Member Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 196	Anyone can be a shooter if they have to be dude... not hard to kill somebody.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #778905 05/18/14 07:26 PM 05/18/14 07:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 541 D dsbaloo Underboss
dsbaloo D Underboss Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 541	I don't know about that one..

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: dsbaloo] #778907 05/18/14 07:32 PM 05/18/14 07:32 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor
pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	Originally Posted By: dsbaloo I feel like the average person seems to think the mob has a lot more heavy shooters than they actually do.. Not every guy with a button is a killer, honestly I think there's a small number of go to guys who are shooters.. Especially in this day and age.. Being an earner and a thinker is a lot more valuable to a family than a shooter.. But shooters are also necessary to have.. There's guys like frank cali who I've heard has never even held a gun is his life let alone hit anyone.. Then there was crews like tg grazianos who had great earners like porky and then had some shooters who didn't have a dollar to their names.. I think its rare for a guy to be a huge earner and also a capable killer.. Plus these days killers aren't needed as much.. Killing seems like an absolute last resort now so having 100 members who are only good for killing isn't really a great asset to the family. Good post, Junior. And don't be such a f'n stranger. It's good to see you posting again . "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: pizzaboy] #778919 05/18/14 09:18 PM 05/18/14 09:18 PM
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NE1020 OP Made Member Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 235	I really don't see the mob as some gang that engages in turf wars or drive-bys, believe me, I know a fair amount about the mob. All I'm try to gather from this topic is how much the mob changed in terms of use of violence and how that correlated with its power. But as you informatively mentioned, today murder tends to be the very last resort. Last edited by NE1020; 05/18/14 09:19 PM.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #778934 05/19/14 02:06 AM 05/19/14 02:06 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,236 naples,italy furio_from_naples
furio_from_naples Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,236 naples,italy	The Camorra, have among their ranks, some shooters, forming various "fire groups" that respond only to the boss and have no other duty ,in the numerous feuds, than that of kill the enemies, while other members are thinking to business and make money. In these days the Mafia prefers the great eraners, and prefer use for muders low key men so if they flip,can't make trouble to the family.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: pizzaboy] #779222 05/20/14 10:47 AM 05/20/14 10:47 AM
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IvyLeague I Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,534	Originally Posted By: pizzaboy Originally Posted By: dsbaloo I feel like the average person seems to think the mob has a lot more heavy shooters than they actually do.. Not every guy with a button is a killer, honestly I think there's a small number of go to guys who are shooters.. Especially in this day and age.. Being an earner and a thinker is a lot more valuable to a family than a shooter.. But shooters are also necessary to have.. There's guys like frank cali who I've heard has never even held a gun is his life let alone hit anyone.. Then there was crews like tg grazianos who had great earners like porky and then had some shooters who didn't have a dollar to their names.. I think its rare for a guy to be a huge earner and also a capable killer.. Plus these days killers aren't needed as much.. Killing seems like an absolute last resort now so having 100 members who are only good for killing isn't really a great asset to the family. Good post, Junior. And don't be such a f'n stranger. It's good to see you posting again . Yeah, as George Freselone said, if a guy is a good earner, the family doesn't care if he's never seen a gun. It's not like the mob needs hundreds of shooters in this day and age anyway. For what they need in terms of carrying out violence, they appear to have enough. Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #779223 05/20/14 10:50 AM 05/20/14 10:50 AM
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domwoods74 Underboss Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,595 manchester uk	Always wondered what George fresolone looked like ? Got the book blood oath , I enjoyed it

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: domwoods74] #779227 05/20/14 10:57 AM 05/20/14 10:57 AM
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IvyLeague I Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,534	Originally Posted By: domwoods74 Always wondered what George fresolone looked like ? Got the book blood oath , I enjoyed it Never saw a photo of him. But he was a big guy from what I understand. He did from heart problems at a relatively young age after all. Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #779705 05/22/14 10:55 PM 05/22/14 10:55 PM
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HandsomeHarry H Made Member Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 122	300

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: HandsomeHarry] #779799 05/23/14 09:04 AM 05/23/14 09:04 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor
pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry 300 And a half. "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #779965 05/24/14 06:43 AM 05/24/14 06:43 AM
Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 315 S SimonChen Capo
SimonChen S Capo Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 315	What do you mean by shooters?do you mean the guy having no responsibility except holding the gun?i dont think there is going to be many.Raab said that every mob guy is a business man and i think most of the guys are running something. but cant a guy put a bullet into sbs head if he carries some business? i think they can carry a hit if theres an order. guys like Tommy Dasimon and Jimmy Berk are business man as well as hitman. why do mob families need a full-time killer?

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: dsbaloo] #780075 05/24/14 05:14 PM 05/24/14 05:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 2,028 T TommyGambino Underboss
TommyGambino T Underboss Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 2,028	Originally Posted By: dsbaloo I feel like the average person seems to think the mob has a lot more heavy shooters than they actually do.. Not every guy with a button is a killer, honestly I think there's a small number of go to guys who are shooters.. Especially in this day and age.. Being an earner and a thinker is a lot more valuable to a family than a shooter.. But shooters are also necessary to have.. There's guys like frank cali who I've heard has never even held a gun is his life let alone hit anyone.. Then there was crews like tg grazianos who had great earners like porky and then had some shooters who didn't have a dollar to their names.. I think its rare for a guy to be a huge earner and also a capable killer.. Plus these days killers aren't needed as much.. Killing seems like an absolute last resort now so having 100 members who are only good for killing isn't really a great asset to the family. I have no clue about this but some people on here say the same about Barney, even though he's ordered guys clipped no doubt, exactly the same with Gotti.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #780303 05/26/14 11:09 AM 05/26/14 11:09 AM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 316 North StL County, MO S StLguy Capo
StLguy S Capo Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 316 North StL County, MO	"I have no clue about this but some people on here say the same about Barney, even though he's ordered guys clipped no doubt, exactly the same with Gotti." Didn't Gotti spend time in jail for killing someone for Carlo Gambino? I think it was at a night club on either staten or long island.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: StLguy] #780308 05/26/14 11:17 AM 05/26/14 11:17 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor
pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	Originally Posted By: StLguy "I have no clue about this but some people on here say the same about Barney, even though he's ordered guys clipped no doubt, exactly the same with Gotti." Didn't Gotti spend time in jail for killing someone for Carlo Gambino? I think it was at a night club on either staten or long island. Gotti wasn't the trigger-man, if that's what you mean. No comment on the other guy. "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: NE1020] #780312 05/26/14 11:27 AM 05/26/14 11:27 AM
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,262 >>>OVA THERE njcapo35 BANNED
njcapo35 BANNED Underboss Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,262 >>>OVA THERE	Gotti wasn't the one that pulled the trigger, it was Ralph "Ralphie Wigs" Galione at Snoope's Bar & Grill on Staten Island. That was for the kidnapping of Emmanuel Gambino. Gotti did do some time for that murder of James McBratney. "Jersey...It's where my story begins."

Re: How many shooters does the mob have? [Re: njcapo35] #780317 05/26/14 12:29 PM 05/26/14 12:29 PM
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Turnbull Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 19,512 AZ	Mob tries to avoid hits whenever possible--makes for bad blood (no pun intended), brings down heat and costs money. Sometimes they farm out hits to cover the trail leading back to the family. Ntra la porta tua lu sangu ï¿½ sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.

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