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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #778923
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Cool collection of vid you got smile

Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #778935
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Very good points! Besides, I'm not incline to really believe much of what Joe Massino says.

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Thanks! I keep working on them.

Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #778966
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There is a YouTube somewhere of the real cop who was in goodfellas and other movies. Singing out side of Rao's with Frankie the owner and two other guys. That cop tried to put away one of the others singers father away for years.

What does the son do? He sings with cop.

Crazy.

On Gravano when he was still in the witness protection he turns up in Brooklyn at the Santa Rosalia feast on 18 ave. people saw him there he left he was still alive


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #778979
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foot are you talking about that douche bag bo dietl?


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: mulberry] #778990
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Hold your horses fella. If you read my post again then you'll notice i meant that they didn't do nothing to the guy who brought gracia around because they don't like to take that kind of heat that a murder brings nowadays. LouPerra said if you bring a cop in you're dead as if it was like that to this day. Thats not the case nowadays. Just my 2 cents


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BerginCrew] #778991
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Originally Posted By: BerginCrew
Hold your horses fella. If you read my post again then you'll notice i meant that they didn't do nothing to the guy who brought gracia around because they don't like to take that kind of heat that a murder brings nowadays. LouPerra said if you bring a cop in you're dead as if it was like that to this day. Thats not the case nowadays. Just my 2 cents

I didn't take it wrong at all. That's what I thought you meant, and that's why I mentioned that the original rat in the case (the fat kid who owned the club on Conner Street and Boston Road) is living under his own name and very openly in Connecticut. No one wanted to clean up Greg's mess while he and Craig were still alive, let alone now that they're dead.

And welcome to the boards, buddy smile.


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: pizzaboy] #778992
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That post was for mulberry but thanks for the anwser. The funny thing is he was introduced as a jewel thief, just like brasco. The shame greg must have felt. Specially after the trial when he taught that if he went to trial and stod face to face with garcia then he would take back his testimony. I guess he just lived in the wrong decade to think that they still had that power that a fed would think twice about testify.

Thanks pal, glad to be here smile


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BerginCrew] #778993
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Originally Posted By: BerginCrew
The shame greg must have felt.

Greg was shameless. You'll have to trust me on that lol.


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: pizzaboy] #778994
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I bet he was haha. His crew caught a break when he went in. It couldn't have been easy working under a guy like that with that fuck*d up head of his

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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BerginCrew] #779023
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Originally Posted By: BerginCrew
Hold your horses fella. If you read my post again then you'll notice i meant that they didn't do nothing to the guy who brought gracia around because they don't like to take that kind of heat that a murder brings nowadays. LouPerra said if you bring a cop in you're dead as if it was like that to this day. Thats not the case nowadays. Just my 2 cents
My post was a response to beanshooters question as to the difference between sponsoring a made guy who becomes a rat,and bringing a cop into the Family. If you read the entire exchange,you will see that I was responding to the allegation that Sonny and Mirra were not killed over the Brasco fiasco.They absolutely were. As to my saying it as if it applied even to this day,that is incorrect. Maybe I didn't make it clearer,or maybe you misunderstood. The point I was making was that in the Pistone situation,and only the Pistone situation,the guys that brought in an undercover cop were dead men.Granted,I used the present tense,as opposed to past tense when I made my point.(Bring in a cop and you're dead).Chalk it up to literary license.
My apologies if I was unclear,I don't want to misstate my position.

Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #779038
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Since we are back on this topic Lou, why would they kill Sonny and Mirra over less than 20 guys that were arrested because of the Pistone case? Keeping in mind that a few, including Massino walked in the Pistone investigation. Massino was trying to win points with the Government so why would he NOT say that Sonny and Mirra were killed because they took Pistone around? He said something different and went against what Pistone, who is revered in the FBI, has been claiming all along. At the end Massino was rewarded with such a low sentence. It doesn't make sense to me. Does it to you?

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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #779040
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Originally Posted By: BloodlettersandBadmen
Thanks! I keep working on them.


A few small errors in your Vid:
1. You state Vitale was Sonny red's brother in law.
2. You state when SB was brought to Filoncomo's house he asked to pray. This didnt happen, he was hit walking down a flight of stairs and replied "Hit me one more time and make it good".


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #779043
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Originally Posted By: BloodlettersandBadmen
Thanks! I keep working on them.


A few small errors in your Vid:
1. You state Vitale was Sonny red's brother in law.
2. You state when SB was brought to Filoncomo's house he asked to pray. This didnt happen, he was hit walking down a flight of stairs and replied "Hit me one more time and make it good".

And those are both relatively well known little tidbits.

I mean, even if you've even casually read about these guys you should know that Vitale was Massino's brother-in-law.


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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Since we are back on this topic Lou, why would they kill Sonny and Mirra over less than 20 guys that were arrested because of the Pistone case? Keeping in mind that a few, including Massino walked in the Pistone investigation. Massino was trying to win points with the Government so why would he NOT say that Sonny and Mirra were killed because they took Pistone around? He said something different and went against what Pistone, who is revered in the FBI, has been claiming all along. At the end Massino was rewarded with such a low sentence. It doesn't make sense to me. Does it to you?
The number of convictions wasn't an issue.The Cardinal Sin that Sonny,Lefty,and Mirra committed was bringing in a cop.For this offense,the death penalty was passed down.
I have a hard time believing that Sonny was going to make a move on the Family after the Brasco revelation. Make a move with who?
What Bonanno guy is going to give his loyalty to a Capo that almost made an FBI agent?
Also,the fact that Mirra got hit,and Lefty was on his way to getting hit prove to me that Massino was not telling the truth about the reason for the killings.
My personal opinion is that Massino was going to be convicted of the murders anyway,so he decided to minimize the damage that Pistone caused.It was like "Yea they fooled us,but they really didn't hurt us,so why would I kill a guy over something that wasn't a big deal".
By claiming the "plot against the Family" story,Massino could still be the big shot tough Mafia Boss who crushed all opposition.
I don't believe that Mirra was a snitch,either.
Massino had to save face.The Bonannos were a laughing stock in the Mob,and Massino did his best to get them back on the right track.
Quick side point:Pistone's investigation resulted in over 100 convictions,helped lay the groundwork for the "Pizza Connection" heroin trafficking case,caused a major disruption in the Bonannos and got the Bonannos thrown off of the Commission.(Again).

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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: Lou_Para] #779206
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No biggie, i just misunderstood it all. To Bloodlettersandbadmen, i think it was the ant who asked if he could pray when they wacked out him and his brother


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #779955
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I stand corrected on Sal Vitale. I had never heard he was Sonny Red's brother in law. And yet one sources whose grammar was so bad made the sentence hard to decipher. My bad! I have learned a valuable lesson.

Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #779963
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Originally Posted By: BloodlettersandBadmen
I stand corrected on Sal Vitale. I had never heard he was Sonny Red's brother in law. And yet one sources whose grammar was so bad made the sentence hard to decipher. My bad! I have learned a valuable lesson.

Is English your first language?


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Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #779971
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Yes, however, it does not appear to be the first language of most Americans.

Re: Mobster - Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano [Re: BloodlettersandBadmen] #779975
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Originally Posted By: BloodlettersandBadmen
Yes, however, it does not appear to be the first language of most Americans.

No need for sarcasm. I was asking you a legitimate question.


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One of the reason I do not subscribe to BB is due to the fact that everyone tends to interpret a written statement differently. I guess what I am saying is there was no sarcasm intended. Humor yes, but sarcasm no!

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If JM did not make "things" right.. That being that the hits had nothing to do with JP and the feds then he would not have got the deal he got. Plain and simple. The feds do not want to be the reason that people lost their lives whether it be civilians or mobsters. End of story.

Edit: The feds probably could care less that people died but they want to look good in the public eye.

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Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry
If JM did not make "things" right.. That being that the hits had nothing to do with JP and the feds then he would not have got the deal he got. Plain and simple. The feds do not want to be the reason that people lost their lives whether it be civilians or mobsters. End of story.

Edit: The feds probably could care less that people died but they want to look good in the public eye.


And at the end of the day Joe could go one way or the other. State the hits were either related or unrelated (to Pistone). One served his interest, the other didnt.

To me, the guy rolled (flipping, which by definition is looking after your own interest, first)THEN 'explained', which leads me to look at reason vs his explanations.

And one has vested interest (and is a huge 'coincidence' and irrational) and the other, well, isnt.

But who knows!


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I agree Sonny.

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Did anyone see this from CosaNostra news?

Thursday, October 2, 2014
How Sonny Black Scammed the Bonanno Family

Sonny Black in front of Santo Trafficante.

In 1986, at the age of 71, Santo Trafficante faced the most formidable indictment of his life.

The reason, briefly, was former Bonanno capo Anthony "Sonny Black" Napolitano.

Operation Coldwater, which ran from 1979 to 1981, was the FBI's attempt to infiltrate the Mafia then infesting Florida's Gulf Coast, though from its inception, the real goal of the secret op was much more targeted in nature.

The Feds wanted Santo Trafficante on a platter, period.



At the time he was considered The Godfather of most of Florida, and that he'd deemed it open territory for the Northern Mafia families, as long as he gave his approval. He'd also get a percentage of their ill-gotten gains from the territory.

After all attempts to flip his men failed and infiltration had proved impossible, the FBI hit upon the idea of creating a juicy asset--an illegal gambling den, right in Trafficante's backyard--that was designed from the start to attract one of the major Mafia families.

Sonny Black wanted to move to Holiday, Florida.
King's Court, it was christened, and it was located on the much-trafficked U.S. Route 19 in the town of Holiday, Florida, which was 40 miles northwest of Tampa and part of Pasco County, which was then in the process of transitioning into a bustling resort/retirement community.

King's Court was set up to run as a private club unopen to the general public. (This allowed the agents to avoid the need for a liquor license). Someone could join as a member for $25, and bring in his own liquor and pay for ice and soft-drink setups.

A staff was actually hired to work there. Bartenders, waitresses, even a piano player worked at the club, never knowing they had unwittingly joined an FBI secret operation.

Five undercover agents pretended to be mob wannabes from the North. They hung out in the club, acting like they worked there while also keeping an eye open for any opportunities that might arise. "Tony Rossi" was the owner of the fake illegal gambling den (his real name was Special Agent Edgar S. Robb).

To further create a criminal mystique about the place, the agents ran illegal card games in a back room, with "the house" getting a cut. Small-time hoods mostly from New York and Chicago began drifting into the club.

Soon enough low-level ties were established with the Gambino and Luchese families in New York and the Outfit in Chicago. (A captain in the local sheriff's office even showed up for payoffs.)

Fast forward a year. Despite all the bullshit talk from these Northern and Midwest tough guys to get Trafficante involved to ramp up the club's action, nothing significant had happened. Trafficante didn't know the club existed, as far as the Feds knew.

In an attempt to stir the pot, the FBI decided to utilize an "asset" it had developed in New York. His name was Donnie Brasco and yes, much of this is told in Special Agent Joseph Pistone's book. But there is a key piece of the story that is missing. Rather it's not missing; it's mistold.

Toward the end of 1980 it looked like the FBI was going to snag a Bonanno capo: Dominick "Sonny Black" Napolitano took an interest in King's Court.

Sonny Black, whose standing in the Mafia was substantial, made several trips down to Holiday in 1980 and 1981, as he prepared to take personal charge of the club and whatever additional rackets could be spun off it. The untapped opportunities proved to be so tempting to the crafty Mafioso that he even said on a wiretap he was considering departing his place in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, to live down in Florida.

And as the story goes, he needed the nod from Trafficante.

So he went and thoughtfully purchased a greeting card that conveyed a double message about "good friends" and slipped $1,000 cash into it. He even inscribed a touching expression of sentiment: "From my family to your family."

Sonny Black was staying at the Best Western Tahitian Motor Lodge in Holiday, room number 161. On Jan. 17, 1981, Trafficante himself walked into the motel room (which had been bugged well in advance by the FBI).

We are told that in that room at that meeting, Sonny Black handed over the card and cash and a grateful Trafficante accepted it, then departed, having given the capo the okay to proceed with his plans.

Napolitano was later overheard reporting that the "Old Man" had agreed to a one-third cut from the club's "Las Vegas Nights," and that Trafficante also had agreed to supply the dealers and pitmen. Sonny Black also noted that a second payoff of $2,000 was handed over to Trafficante.

Trafficante, by accepting payment from Sonny Black for approval to launch a mobbed up gambling operation, opened himself up to major RICO statutes, for which he was later indicted, as noted previously in the story.

Frank Ragano made a career defending Trafficante in court.

Enter Frank Ragano, the defense attorney and angel on Trafficante's shoulder who'd saved the mob boss's ass from the frier more than once (and spent the last years of his life haunted by the work he'd done for the powerful Cosa Nostra bosses).

Ragano had some 25,000 pages of discovery material to wade through when he swooped in to take over the case following Trafficante's personal appeal to him.

Only four days before the jury was slated to be chosen, Ragano decided to focus on only the most important evidence against Trafficante, the exact touchpoints tying Santo to criminal activity that enabled the prosecutors to indict him.

"From a fast-scanning I noticed a remarkable fact: there was a vital omission from the prosecution's case," he told Selwyn Raab in Mob Lawyer: Including the Inside Account of Who Killed Jimmy Hoffa and JFK.

The FBI's only evidence of any payoffs came solely from Sonny Black. None of the agents had ever seen a payoff, none of the agents had ever caught Santo mentioning a payoff. Something stank, and Ragano knew it immediately.

He said he next visited Trafficante and confronted the mob boss with some blunt questions: Had he accepted a $1,000 payoff from Sonny Black? Had he accepted a single red cent from Sonny Black?

"No, no," Santo replied. "Sonny Black tried to give it to me but I wouldn't take it. I didn't trust him or like him. He was stupid."

Santo claimed he'd only met with Sonny Black because his "good friends"--top Mafiosi in New York--had vouched for him. Santo distrusted the New York mobster, calling him "impetuous and avaricious." He didn't like the way Sonny Black had bragged about having the Pasco County Sheriff's Office in his pocket.

Santo further told Ragano that he had advised Sonny Black to go into legitimate business--bingo, in fact, was so profitable that there was no reason to even get involved with anything illegal, Santo said he advised Sonny.

Sounds like deep bullshit, I know, and it sounded like bullshit to Ragano too. Yet Ragano also knew Trafficante intimately. "How often had I heard him warn people about being greedy and accepting money too readily from people whose trustworthiness was not firmly established?"

Trafficante was so concerned about bugs as well that he rarely ever said a single incriminating word, even to close associates in hotel rooms or restaurants.

I know, still sounds like bullshit. But I wouldn't have crafted that headline at the top if I wasn't convinced.

Ragano found the transcript from the bug in Sonny Black's motel room. The bugged motel room. He found the pages on which were transcribed every word spoken in that room during Trafficante's visit with the New York Mafioso. He read it and smiled.

Ragano next faced a tactical issue. He couldn't have the indictment thrown out. He couldn't stop the trial. So how could he squash the agents' testimony regarding the payoff, of which there was no evidence. Aside from that one meeting, Santo was never caught in a single photo or frame of film nor was his voice caught on any additional tape, aside from the wiretap in Sonny Black's room during the single meeting he claimed he had.

He waited three weeks into trial, until "Tony Rossi" was testifying. He waited until the proceedings reached the point at which mention of the payoff was imminent. Fearing the jury would believe any testimony from an FBI agent out of inherent faith in the government, he knew he had to shut Rossi down before he could mention anything about a payoff.

Ragano promptly stood up and requested a sidebar with the judge. The prosecutor joined him at the side of the judge's bench, the one farthest from the jury.

"Your honor, the prosecutor is about to perpetuate a fraud on the jury and the court. Let me show your honor the transcript of what actually occurred when the defendant, Santo Trafficante, was offered $1,000," Ragano said, and handed over the pages.

They read:


NAPOLITANO: Santo, this is from the club over here, from us and the club and--

TRAFFICANTE: Ah, forget about it.

NAPOLITANO: I didn't sign it or nothin'. So-

TRAFFICANTE: Forget about it.

NAPOLITANO: Please, do me a favor. Now, see, uh--

TRAFFICANTE: Forget about it.

NAPOLITANO: Awright, well then, then just read the card, I mean it's a beautiful card.

TRAFFICANTE: Huh! Nah, I'll tell ya [unintelligible].

NAPOLITANO: Come on.

TRAFFICANTE: Take care of yourself.


After reading the transcript, the judge "fixed his gaze on" the prosecutor and ordered him to change his line of questioning.

Several days later, the prosecutor acknowledged at a hearing the nonexistence of any evidence whatsoever to prove that Santo had done anything to advance a Mafia enterprise. The judge granted a motion for acquittal.

Sonny Black pocketed the $1,000 and lied to his cohorts, including Joe Pistone/Donnie Brasco, who repeats this in his book to this very day, about Trafficante accepting it.

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2014/10/how-sonny-black-scammed-bonanno-family.html#more

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