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Why the mafia is almost dead #774572
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We've talked about it time and time again but its true.
Look at every single documentary on any mob guy and they all start out the same:
" i grew up around it, they were the guys with the money and the guys that were respected. They hung in the clubs on the corner".
Who says that anymore ? No one ! There arent really any big italian hoods left with clubs on each corner. Italian kids today are in the suburbs surrounded by starbucks and Panera Bread. We keep hearing guys are more low key now and they dont want violence.. Truth is, there is no one really left to kill.
I was just in bensonhurst and almost everything is gone. Lots of chinese and some russian, a few italian left but its totally different. I remember 86th street as the guido capital of the world, it was funny. I loved it and had a lot of good times cruising back in the day.
Just killing some time but i doubt you will see another mob war in our life time.

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Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774580
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Originally Posted By: Belmont
We've talked about it time and time again but its true.
Look at every single documentary on any mob guy and they all start out the same:
" i grew up around it, they were the guys with the money and the guys that were respected. They hung in the clubs on the corner".
Who says that anymore ? No one ! There arent really any big italian hoods left with clubs on each corner. Italian kids today are in the suburbs surrounded by starbucks and Panera Bread. We keep hearing guys are more low key now and they dont want violence.. Truth is, there is no one really left to kill.
I was just in bensonhurst and almost everything is gone. Lots of chinese and some russian, a few italian left but its totally different. I remember 86th street as the guido capital of the world, it was funny. I loved it and had a lot of good times cruising back in the day.
Just killing some time but i doubt you will see another mob war in our life time.
In the homeland and canada it's going on, as far as here "you think philly might be next?"


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Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774591
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Maybe not in the US, but up north there is still more than enough going on for mobwatchers.


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Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774602
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I doubt that it's "Dead", "Gone", "Barely alive/around", "the books are closed/have been closed for decades", etc. that you hear about in the media in the United States. I think that instead it's just very quiet-except for in NYC/PHL/NJ where apparently people in that business are way too open.

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Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774604
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i have to agree with this. the role of the neighborhood wise guy who you could borrow some cash from and place a few bets with simply doesn't need to be filled any more. there is just no demand for it. not to mention the fact that so many italian americans nowadays are thoroughly upper middle class and are heading to university to work straight high paying jobs as accountants and corporate attorneys.

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774611
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More or less true, IMO.

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774618
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Long gone are the clubs on the street corner with wise guys hanging out and influencing young up and comers. You now rely on a kid that grew up in a half a million dollar house who's father is trying to show him the ropes and tech him how to be a criminal. Very difficult.

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774621
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I think certain areas of staten island could be considered somewhat of a hub for mob crime or just general criminal activity amongst the residents. Specifically the south shore and great kills, a lot of drug activity in the area, people getting busted with guns. This happened recently.
3 stabbed outside great kills bar

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Scorsese] #774623
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
I think certain areas of staten island could be considered somewhat of a hub for mob crime or just general criminal activity amongst the residents. Specifically the south shore and great kills, a lot of drug activity in the area, people getting busted with guns. This happened recently.
3 stabbed outside great kills bar


Yeah, when people hear the words Staten Island they automatically think of Upper Middle Class Italians and mob guys with ornate homes. But Staten Island does have a seedy side as well. The Stapleton section of Staten Island is as bad as East New York or the South Bronx. And areas like that will always be prime drug dealing spots.


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I posted up a lot of stories of people getting busted running pill rings on the south shore or in great kills, although theres a lot of italian names in these busts theres not really much indication to any mob ties.

I think the wu tang clan is from stapleton or park hill projects. But yeah you got both extremes on that island.

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774634
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Yeah it's definitely not "almost dead." It will still be around for a while. They're just nowhere near the level they were at years ago.

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Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774663
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Unfortunate what has become of LCN in America.

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: HandsomeHarry] #774675
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Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry
Unfortunate what has become of LCN in America.

unfortunate? really? it's unfortunate that they're no longer capable of extracting billions of dollars a year by fixing construction bids and controlling unions through murder and violence? it's unfortunate that they're no longer flooding the streets with as much as much smack and cocaine that they used to?

come on.

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Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774676
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I didn't mean it in that way but to be honest it didn't hurt the people that were on the inside.

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Belmont] #774699
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Remember that the mafia is a changing organization that can adapt from the time changing. In Sicily they say "calati juncu ca passa la china" which means "decline cane, until the storm passes". I think some of them mobsters learned from the big indicments of the 80s and 90s and are more secretive. That is why the mafia still lasts today, because they can adapt and change.

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Originally Posted By: USICILIANU
Remember that the mafia is a changing organization that can adapt from the time changing. In Sicily they say "calati juncu ca passa la china" which means "decline cane, until the storm passes". I think some of them mobsters learned from the big indicments of the 80s and 90s and are more secretive. That is why the mafia still lasts today, because they can adapt and change.


That is maybe 1% . There are very few aspiring wiseguys today, plain and simple. Italy still has high unemployment so a gravitation towards crime is more expected. There are far too many legitimate opportunities here.
Another huge reason : years ago if a business was shaken down, victims were afraid to go to law enforcement because the mob had a rep for having cops and public officials on their pad. A victim would fear that a crooked cop may get wind of them complaining.
This is another reason why the mafia still exists in Italy: there is still alot of corruption.

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: njcapo35] #774701
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Originally Posted By: njcapo35
In the homeland and canada it's going on, as far as here "you think philly might be next?"


One more mob war in philly and it's over. There aren't enough guys left to keep it going if they kill 10 and send 20 guys away again. It'll be like how Rochester and Cleveland went away.

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That's a good thing. But there will always be young guys who can't or don't want to earn their life honestly, who want to make a lot of money right away. Especially with this economical crisis going on. In Italy most people work, but aren't declared. That is why it seems that there is a lot of unemployment. But most young guys can make a lot more money by being criminals.

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Originally Posted By: USICILIANU
That's a good thing. But there will always be young guys who can't or don't want to earn their life honestly, who want to make a lot of money right away. Especially with this economical crisis going on. In Italy most people work, but aren't declared. That is why it seems that there is a lot of unemployment. But most young guys can make a lot more money by being criminals.


True.

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I'm agreeing with a lot of things here the DeCavalcante's will probably be the next to go (if they haven't already), then Philly and then Chicago and Detroit then New York will last for sometime possibly picking up the pieces here and there but will eventually bow out due to Italian's rising in the civilization ladder and then quite possibly an Italian President, everything must end but at least the Mafia won't go with a bang, they'll die silently

Re: Why the mafia is almost dead [Re: Philip_Lombardo] #774768
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If history has taught us anything.... it is that everything that was new loses its novelty and that the old eventually becomes new again. IMO Organzied crime will never disappear, 50 years from now the GBB crew will be talking about the latest scams and schemes of the OC/LCN, it will look different but it will still be going on. I was digging through some old pictures with my Mom on Sunday looking for pics of some of the men my Grandpa worked along side in the Black Hand. Each time I would pull out a pic with one of these guys my Mom, who is 94, would look at me and take her right hand index finger press it against the tip of her nose and push it to the left, then she would say in Italian, "The Mafia is my Protector". I'm afraid as each generation passes away that we will get that much further away from our heritage, both the good and the bad and I have to say I'm very sad to see it slipping away. On a positve note I got a Franklin on the Italians kicking everybodys ass all over again during the next OC Renaissance, anybody want in? wink

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Originally Posted By: NNY78
If history has taught us anything.... it is that everything that was new loses its novelty and that the old eventually becomes new again. IMO Organzied crime will never disappear, 50 years from now the GBB crew will be talking about the latest scams and schemes of the OC/LCN, it will look different but it will still be going on. I was digging through some old pictures with my Mom on Sunday looking for pics of some of the men my Grandpa worked along side in the Black Hand. Each time I would pull out a pic with one of these guys my Mom, who is 94, would look at me and take her right hand index finger press it against the tip of her nose and push it to the left, then she would say in Italian, "The Mafia is my Protector". I'm afraid as each generation passes away that we will get that much further away from our heritage, both the good and the bad and I have to say I'm very sad to see it slipping away. On a positve note I got a Franklin on the Italians kicking everybodys ass all over again during the next OC Renaissance, anybody want in? wink

I'm confused. You're sad to see the Mafia in America slipping away? You work in recovery and you sympathize with guys who deal in drugs? confused

Assimilation is what will change the face of the American mafia. Take it from a guy who's lived in the Bronx for over fifty years. These neighborhoods have changed so much that it will never be the same. No way, no how.

Will it go away completely? No. Because criminal minded people will always be here, and people will always want to gamble and borrow money. But with all due respect, if you think the Brooklyn that you left behind 25 years ago still exists, you're just being sentimental smile.


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PB,

Not the Mafia but the italian traditions of strong family ties and neighborhoods, also good pasta and italian bread, this shit in Florida sucks. lol

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Originally Posted By: NNY78
PB,

Not the Mafia but the italian traditions of strong family ties and neighborhoods, also good pasta and italian bread, this shit in Florida sucks. lol

Gotcha, buddy smile.

Try Tramonti on East Atlantic in Delray. Same owners as Angelo's of Mulberry. Not just in name, but also in quality wink.

The bread is an issue that just can't be resolved. It's the water ohwell.


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Thanks for the restaurant tip PB. Your right about the water, this restaurant on Atlantic way out west near 441 at the Delray Marketplace, I think its called Renzi's or Ricca's something like that, I heard their advertisement on the radio and supposedly they ship their water down from the City to use in making their breads, heard of a couple other places doing the same thing. One can hope!

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Originally Posted By: NNY78
Thanks for the restaurant tip PB. Your right about the water, this restaurant on Atlantic way out west near 441 at the Delray Marketplace, I think its called Renzi's or Ricca's something like that, I heard their advertisement on the radio and supposedly they ship their water down from the City to use in making their breads, heard of a couple other places doing the same thing. One can hope!

Yeah, I've heard of certain places trying that before. But it's not like you can depend on it. Especially in Florida where water emergencies happen all the time. But yeah, one can hope lol.


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PB,

You have your finger on the pulse of what is going on in the old neighborhoods and I would guess with the older generations in and outside of that life as well. What are they saying about how the mafia has transformed and imploded from within over the years? While I don't share my Mom's view on the Mafia I can understand why she feels that way given what was happening during that time period 00's to 30's. My Grandpa and His Father being what they were shielded us from the crime and violence that they were committing against other ethnic groups and Italians associated with the life, but more importantly to my Mom the discrimination that was taking place at that time against the Italians and other immigrant groups that made life very difficult for all of us. My Mom will occasional talk about how the Mafia helped the community but rarely mention that my Great Grandpa was tossed out of a window in the Hotel Syracuse by a rival for not sharing the wealth and on two occasions rivals tried to kill my Grandpa.I really enjoyed how well that family dynamic was portrayed in the Godfather. Just wondering what your thoughts are and what hearing up there from the really old timers that are still around?

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Originally Posted By: NNY78
PB,

You have your finger on the pulse of what is going on in the old neighborhoods and I would guess with the older generations in and outside of that life as well. What are they saying about how the mafia has transformed and imploded from within over the years? While I don't share my Mom's view on the Mafia I can understand why she feels that way given what was happening during that time period 00's to 30's. My Grandpa and His Father being what they were shielded us from the crime and violence that they were committing against other ethnic groups and Italians associated with the life, but more importantly to my Mom the discrimination that was taking place at that time against the Italians and other immigrant groups that made life very difficult for all of us. My Mom will occasional talk about how the Mafia helped the community but rarely mention that my Great Grandpa was tossed out of a window in the Hotel Syracuse by a rival for not sharing the wealth and on two occasions rivals tried to kill my Grandpa.I really enjoyed how well that family dynamic was portrayed in the Godfather. Just wondering what your thoughts are and what hearing up there from the really old timers that are still around?


What sort of viewpoints does your mother have about la famiglia, or Italian OC?

Personally I think that all OC groups are best avoided being around or having anything to do with, or going into debt with...unless the person wants a premature violent death. crazy

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CAC,

I agree they are best avoided, no good can come from it.

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