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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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Arm, venture a guess on how many made guys in the area. then give me your opinion on how many made guys in the buffalo family today.im guessing at least 50. We don't need to guess. And 50 is way inflated. The FBI compiled a chart of remaining Buffalo members back in 2006 which showed 23 members remaining. A few have died since then so it's probably around 20 now. The FBI compiled a chart..bzzz...You will never learn will you?
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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If youre including in your estimate of 50 buttons the ndrangheta clans that operate in and around Hamilton and Toronto and who dont give a flying fuck what Buffalo says (or have even heard of Buffalo) you may be close in your estimate of 50.
Otherwise you're delusional, or you know something everyone else in the world doesn't.
I know which way Im leaning. There is no such organization as ndrangheta...but if you are talking about the heroin addicted cigertte smugglers who sell Cognac out of the trunks of cars they got from the US with no tax stamp at $15 a bottle and are so strung out they use bikers as muscle, who you have elevated in your mind the way kids do the boogie man....50 is about right I was actually talking about made Buffalo guys in the areas I mentioned
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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i think the Arm makes a good point. the buffalo family is quite large geographically. thats why i tend to agree with his numbers Correct The disconnect is, as it has always been since the late 70s, is that "Buffalo" spans far beyond Erie County
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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If youre including in your estimate of 50 buttons the ndrangheta clans that operate in and around Hamilton and Toronto and who dont give a flying fuck what Buffalo says (or have even heard of Buffalo) you may be close in your estimate of 50.
Otherwise you're delusional, or you know something everyone else in the world doesn't.
I know which way Im leaning. There is no such organization as ndrangheta...but if you are talking about the heroin addicted cigertte smugglers who sell Cognac out of the trunks of cars they got from the US with no tax stamp at $15 a bottle and are so strung out they use bikers as muscle, who you have elevated in your mind the way kids do the boogie man....50 is about right I was actually talking about made Buffalo guys in the areas I mentioned Ndrangheta is simply a term to describe the ndrine's (family or cell's) geographical history. IE from Calabria. They operate almost exactly the same way Cosa Nostra does, that is as independent, organized families who can and often do collude in criminal enterprises. The largest being Narcotics. Ontario and Quebec Italian OC has VERY strong links to Calabria and Sicily. I doubt anyone from Buffalo has had Italian connections in 25years (If ever). To assume that in Ontario's Italian population of close to a million that there would be no Italian OC beyond a few crack heads selling cakes out of their trunks is beyond absurd. To assume that it would also report to buffalo is even more so. You were referring to 'elevated in your mind', the mirror might be a good place to start.
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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thats why i tend to agree with his numbers look at his "numbers" for pittsburg, something nobody no matter how delusional would bother to entertain even for a second. 17 soldiers, 3 capos, boss ect. compare that with 2 rats and an old man. see the problem? believe what sounds good to you, but ask yourself how even if his shtick were true would it make sense. how would an associate who according to his own words "left the life" decades ago know the current scoop in an area where he doesn't claim to live any longer? does he call the corporate office and get a yearly update? how can someone on one hand claim how secretive these guys are yet claim to know the inner workings? the fbi is far from perfect and they claimed less than 25 made guys a few years ago. that number may not be right on the money, but do you really believe the real number is more than twice their estimate? don't buy into the misinformation hype. why would the fbi put out misinformation on a "family" that is down to some scattered residual organized activity? what's the upside? what would they gain?
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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thats why i tend to agree with his numbers look at his "numbers" for pittsburg, something nobody no matter how delusional would bother to entertain even for a second. 17 soldiers, 3 capos, boss ect. compare that with 2 rats and an old man. see the problem? believe what sounds good to you, but ask yourself how even if his shtick were true would it make sense. how would an associate who according to his own words "left the life" decades ago know the current scoop in an area where he doesn't claim to live any longer? does he call the corporate office and get a yearly update? how can someone on one hand claim how secretive these guys are yet claim to know the inner workings? the fbi is far from perfect and they claimed less than 25 made guys a few years ago. that number may not be right on the money, but do you really believe the real number is more than twice their estimate? don't buy into the misinformation hype. why would the fbi put out misinformation on a "family" that is down to some scattered residual organized activity? what's the upside? what would they gain? Your creepy obsession is matched only by your lack of a clue. Your questions and statements are so flawed they defy comments Here's an idea, why don't you catch your breath, unclinch your fists and form some cohernet questions, perhaps I can educate you
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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If youre including in your estimate of 50 buttons the ndrangheta clans that operate in and around Hamilton and Toronto and who dont give a flying fuck what Buffalo says (or have even heard of Buffalo) you may be close in your estimate of 50.
Otherwise you're delusional, or you know something everyone else in the world doesn't.
I know which way Im leaning. There is no such organization as ndrangheta...but if you are talking about the heroin addicted cigertte smugglers who sell Cognac out of the trunks of cars they got from the US with no tax stamp at $15 a bottle and are so strung out they use bikers as muscle, who you have elevated in your mind the way kids do the boogie man....50 is about right I was actually talking about made Buffalo guys in the areas I mentioned Ndrangheta is simply a term to describe the ndrine's (family or cell's) geographical history. IE from Calabria. They operate almost exactly the same way Cosa Nostra does, that is as independent, organized families who can and often do collude in criminal enterprises. The largest being Narcotics. Ontario and Quebec Italian OC has VERY strong links to Calabria and Sicily. I doubt anyone from Buffalo has had Italian connections in 25years (If ever). To assume that in Ontario's Italian population of close to a million that there would be no Italian OC beyond a few crack heads selling cakes out of their trunks is beyond absurd. To assume that it would also report to buffalo is even more so. You were referring to 'elevated in your mind', the mirror might be a good place to start. if you are going to comment on what I say, it might be a good idea to actually comment on what I said, as opposed to what I didnt You are correct about one thing, Ndrangheta is a term used to describe a loosly connected group of criminals, most of whom have never had contact with each other. I never claimed they "report to Buffalo"...they dont These guys are a formatable presence in Europe...but in Canada, they are a joke I know this becuse I have witnessed the strung out junkies and their "operations" first hand....it's pathetic. There are more formatable suburban teeneage street gangs
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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03/13/14 05:24 PM
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I'm just sitting here.....looking for a pat on the head and something like "Good Job LaLou, Nola had no rats, and you blew all the fan boys out of the water by ending this debate in two sentences."  I'm asking for too much huh?  Well done sir
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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03/13/14 06:49 PM
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Here's an idea, why don't you catch your breath, unclinch your fists and form some cohernet questions, perhaps I can educate you And it's a good idea. You just educated him on how to earn a two week's vacation from the boards. Listen, nobody expects these boards to be a church social. With so many pissing contests going on it is inevitable that some tempers will be lost and some angry words will be said. It happens. But when one member constantly flames others with snide remarks (see above) it is time to step in and correct the problem. This is step one.
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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03/14/14 01:59 PM
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Thanks SC. I like to think I have a fair amount of patience, but man, that guy makes me run out in a hurry! Even though I'm still new here I really appreciate the way you guys run this place. You only step in when it gets ridiculous. I know i sometimes say controversial things that spark debates, but I hope you guys understand that I don't have any malicious intent. I actually pretty much like everyone here (even though some of you mock my nationality hehe  ).
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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03/21/14 07:50 PM
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This Chart with the rats in all the Families of the American Cosa Nostra:
Genovese 5 rats
Gambino 10 rats
Bonanno 13 rats
Lucchese 15 rats
Colombo 15 rats
Philly 16 rats
Patriarca 7 rats
DeCavalcante 3 rats
Rochester 4 rats
Buffalo 3 rats
Pittsburgh
KC,SL,and the other families left 1 rat I believe the picture you have for Nick Calabrese ( Chicago )is actually Butch Petrocelli.
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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03/22/14 01:05 PM
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New Orleans never had a rat. BOOM
End of discussion. Neither did Dallas. Booyah
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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03/23/14 10:40 PM
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It can get a little confusing if one makes a distinction between guys who flipped in more recent times and guys way back when who were later found to have been secret informants. If you include the latter, the numbers would naturally go way up.
somebody that only listens to the fbi should know that informing is a new phenomenon yeah valachi had his hearings but massino didn't flip until the 2ks to stay on topic......there's no excuse for philadelphia's rat numbers
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Re: Family with the fewest rats (past 40 years)
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This Chart with the rats in all the Families of the American Cosa Nostra:
Genovese 5 rats
Gambino 10 rats
Bonanno 13 rats
Lucchese 15 rats
Colombo 15 rats
Philly 16 rats
Patriarca 7 rats
DeCavalcante 3 rats
Rochester 4 rats
Buffalo 3 rats
Pittsburgh
KC,SL,and the other families left 1 rat Buffalo had 4 by my count, But Mastrocco had pretty much turned and aligned himslf with the Colombos by the time he actually testified, so 3 is a fair assessmant as well
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But no Po-boy for me, going grab a few Central Street Mufalattas this weekend in the French Quarter
