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Re: Donnie Brasco Question
[Re: Iceman999]
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12/06/14 03:16 AM
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They did a good job considering everything. Why the hell would Massino, Vitale, Rizzuto be in there? There was a dozen people that were part of that hit, you can't just introduce them all as characters just so one scene can be more true to the real events. Plus the movie was made before Vitale, Massino, etc flipped and less was known about the 3 capos hit.
I consider this to be a good movie, although not completely true to the book. They made Sonny Black to be the main antagonist and generally it felt butchered... almost half of the book was left out of it. Yet you gotta think as a movie producer... you can't include everything, there's only a limited runtime. So, everything considered, this movie came out good.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: Donnie Brasco Question
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12/13/14 10:32 AM
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Lazy fact checking had little to do with it, me thinks. As Malandrino mentioned, the film was made prior to Vitale & Massino flipping, so knowledge about the murders weren't accurate in most cases. In every book I've read about it in, from The Sixth Family to The Five Families by Selwyn Raab, all the descriptions were within the realms of each other, they didn't differ all that much, at least to me. Humphrey's wrote about how Massino invited the three, and Lino, to the J&S cake for a sitdown, and as soon as they got there, the signal was made, the men burst out of the closet, Vito said "This is a holdup", Massino clocked Sonny Red with some object, Trinny rushed and was killed, Lino ran out the back, and Philly Lucky was the only one who didn't fight it and stood against a wall with his hands up until he was popped. It's explained almost identical in the Five Families. I have yet to reach the part where Pistone talks about it in the book, but I can't imagine it being like the scene in the film. I think the directors had an idea of what really went down thanks to Pistone's words about it, but they purposely altered it to fit in with the film and those characters, I think that's why they did it.
The same goes for the scene in which Donnie is labeled a rat, in the film it's Tony Mirra (who isn't featured, just mentioned in the film) claiming he has knowledge of Donnie not being who he says he is, and it's Lefty who's attending the sitdowns and vouching for him and putting his life on the line for him. When the reality of it is, it was Colombo associates who first suspected Pistone of not being who he says he was, and all they did was make some calls and an informant vouched for Pistone as being Donnie Brasco, then Jilly & a guy by the name of Guido squashed it. But it was Jilly who vouched for Pistone during the rat situation, not Lefty Ruggiero.
Another is the relationship and the way they paint Pistone, Lefty & Sonny Black's relationship. The film makes it seem as if it was Lefty who was Pistone's right hand during the entire operation and the guy who had his back and vouched for him for jobs. While he basically was Pistone's overseer for the early part of his infiltration of the Bonanno's, they drifted apart, despite always dealing with each other, and Pistone got closer to Sonny Black and began going over Lefty's head on many situations and instances before the conclusion of the investigation.
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Re: Donnie Brasco Question
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12/14/14 12:38 PM
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They did a good job considering everything. Why the hell would Massino, Vitale, Rizzuto be in there? There was a dozen people that were part of that hit, you can't just introduce them all as characters just so one scene can be more true to the real events. Plus the movie was made before Vitale, Massino, etc flipped and less was known about the 3 capos hit.
I consider this to be a good movie, although not completely true to the book. They made Sonny Black to be the main antagonist and generally it felt butchered... almost half of the book was left out of it. Yet you gotta think as a movie producer... you can't include everything, there's only a limited runtime. So, everything considered, this movie came out good. Exactly. There were way too many extra guys to throw into the movie to make this like the real thing, plus that scene lets the viewer know that Donnie was in too deep at that point and could have been killed because he was so close to Sonny Black and crew. Plus a big plot like that it would be stupid to add other characters that the viewer would not know into that murder as it would only cause confusion.
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Re: Donnie Brasco Question
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01/28/15 06:08 PM
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Watching Donnie Brasco again today, I heard dialogue that is not correct. Sonny Black tells Santo Trafficante that Donnie is a friend of ours. Certainly the director knew that wasn't correct. The dialogue in that scene is meant to underscore Lefty's jealousy of Donnie. First Lefty is basically ignored by Santo,then he accuses Donnie of stabbing him in the back.Then Sonny tells Donnie "you're with me now". Sonny introduces Donnie as a friend "of ours" then the camera cuts to Lefty, looking betrayed. There was some dramatic license in the scene,but I think that it was intentional,not a mistake. Lefty sees himself as Sonny's right hand man,and probably figures that after all of the abuse and disrespect that he has been shown,that he will be a major player under Sonny. Then out of nowhere,Donnie jumps to the front of the line. The "friend of ours" intro was meant to give the viewers a sympathetic look at Lefty.
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Re: Donnie Brasco Question
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03/09/15 11:35 AM
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Watching Donnie Brasco again today, I heard dialogue that is not correct. Sonny Black tells Santo Trafficante that Donnie is a friend of ours. Certainly the director knew that wasn't correct. The dialogue in that scene is meant to underscore Lefty's jealousy of Donnie. First Lefty is basically ignored by Santo,then he accuses Donnie of stabbing him in the back.Then Sonny tells Donnie "you're with me now". Sonny introduces Donnie as a friend "of ours" then the camera cuts to Lefty, looking betrayed. There was some dramatic license in the scene,but I think that it was intentional,not a mistake. Lefty sees himself as Sonny's right hand man,and probably figures that after all of the abuse and disrespect that he has been shown,that he will be a major player under Sonny. Then out of nowhere,Donnie jumps to the front of the line. The "friend of ours" intro was meant to give the viewers a sympathetic look at Lefty. Well said and agreed.
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Re: Donnie Brasco Question
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03/09/15 04:56 PM
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while the movie was very good. im left wondering how he could have gotten away with that federal boat that he took the crew on.
if it was true then pistone was very lucky, he picked the right family to infiltrate, I don't think he could have gotten away with using a federal boat in any other family, im sure that would have sealed his fate with the genoveses, luchesses, columbos, and gambinos.
I seriously doubt he could have gotten very far with any other family.
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Re: Donnie Brasco Question
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03/10/15 02:37 PM
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while the movie was very good. im left wondering how he could have gotten away with that federal boat that he took the crew on.
if it was true then pistone was very lucky, he picked the right family to infiltrate, I don't think he could have gotten away with using a federal boat in any other family, im sure that would have sealed his fate with the genoveses, luchesses, columbos, and gambinos.
I seriously doubt he could have gotten very far with any other family. I wish he would have gotten to someone like casso or the Gambino crew members. Maybe he / they felt Nicky Blacks crew were the more desporate and an easier target.
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