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Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Facebook [Re: ChiTown] #750163
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Again, not talking about the town of Elmwood Park. Talking specifically about the Elmwood Park Street Crew of the Chicago Mafia (formal La Cosa Nostra).

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Facebook [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #750323
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Im sure once DiFronzo dies a lot of the younger guys will try to get things going again. DiFronzo may have deactivated the crew but that doesn't mean guys aren't still shaking down bookies and porno stores. Fosco said that DiFronzo still gets a cut of over sea gambling from Joey Devita? I think that's who handles the over sea gambling for Chicago. I always get him and Victor Vitta confused.

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I thought it was Posner who was the link with all the overseas gambling stuff?

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Facebook [Re: funkster] #750352
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Your right about Posner. I think at one point DiFronzo or whoever was the boss was getting a cut from all the over seas gambling operations. I think Joey Devita is retired. He was one of Hy Larners guys.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Facebook [Re: ChiTown] #750520
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Important Question... Does anyone know for a fact if he has any siblings and what their names are? Thanks!

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Facebook [Re: Geek899273] #750524
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Originally Posted By: Geek899273
Im sure once DiFronzo dies a lot of the younger guys will try to get things going again. DiFronzo may have deactivated the crew but that doesn't mean guys aren't still shaking down bookies and porno stores. Fosco said that DiFronzo still gets a cut of over sea gambling from Joey Devita? I think that's who handles the over sea gambling for Chicago. I always get him and Victor Vitta confused.



if d'amico is still running books then he probably calls the shots up north

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750540
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The recent Carparelli case tells us more about the day to day street racket life of La Cosa Nostra in Chicagoland than anything that has come out of Elmwood park in many years.


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Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #750568
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Is there any news of he Carparelli case as of late? It didn't get a whole lot of press when the he was indicted like most mob cases do. Probably because he isn't as well known as some of the big names in Family Secrets.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750598
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Didn't someone on here (ChiTown maybe?) say he was out on bail almost immediately?

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750600
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He was released almost immediately & opened up a pizza parlour in bloomingdale almost immediately.

I don't recall any young made guys being mentioned during family secrets.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #750671
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There weren't any young made guys indicted in Family Secrets unless Nick Ferriola was made. I was just thinking the reason that the guy from Itasca who was indicted isn't getting the same press as Family Secrets is because he was pretty under the radar until recently and the press aren't as interested unless a DiFrozo or D'Amico was indicted with him. Although Solly D was mentioned in the article that he paid him $10 to rough someone up. This old guys are nuts, Solly D did 16 years and probably has enough money to never work a day for the rest of his life but he still fools around with this stuff. I have to hand it to DiFronzo, he's smart enough to keep away from this minor league stuff like beating up a deadbeat over some debt. That's why the feds won't indict DiFronzo. I know a lot of these old timers go back to the old "Your in it for life" but come on, does anyone have any fear of the Outfit these days? They are a shadow of there former self. You think Frank Calabrese Jr. would be doing a book signing at Borders in 1976? He would be MIA in a trunk somewhere in Chinatown. I know how everyone talks about how crazy Albie Vena is but is he crazy enough to kill someone over an outstanding loan and go to jail because they have his DNA at the crime scene. The only reason Alby got off on the murder charge in the early 90's is because the court system was still corruptible back then. They had a lot of evidence to convict him of the slaying Sam Taglia but suprise suprise, not guilty. He tried to run over a Chicago Cop when they came to arrest him for the murder and he served no time. It was a total joke back then. Solly D did 16 years without peeping a word which is a rare thing these days. He better hope this Paul guy doesn't try cutting a deal. He sounds like the typical moron outfit soldier who claims this is the life he chose but when your facing 10 years in jail with a bunch of lowlife blacks and mexicans who will not think twice of stabbing you because your white you tend to look at things differently.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750702
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I don't pretend to know who the Outfit has or hasn't killed since Zizzo and the Hatch, however in fairness Calabrese Jr. is a unique situation. They'd be stupid to knock him down. He's had a lot of spotlight on him, killing him would bring an incredible amount of heat on them. I don't know that if all other things equal, it could necessarily even be done back in the day. Maybe, but we'll never know. Don't forget, he had to cancel a few book signings because he received death threats. Anonymous loons? Maybe...probably...but who knows?

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750715
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Junior Calabrese is not on bad terms with the Outfit. He wouldn't be hanging out in Elmwood park if he were.

The brother is. Which is why he will go directly into witness protection after he's released.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750733
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Huron was it you who said they allowed him to cooperate just so his dad would go away? Don't get that because by junior flipping, it caused Nick to flip. So if frank Jr never did neither would've Nick

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750745
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ChiTown pointed that theory out. Word on the street was that the Caruso crew wanted calabrese's rackets so they had Jr put him away.

However far fetched you think that theory may be, junior is the guy coming to & from Chicago as he pleases, and his uncle is preparing to have his identity changed

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #750782
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Good point on if they killed Calabrese Jr. it would bring a ton of heat on the outfit. I do believe that in extreme cases the outfit still kill people, Zizzo for example.
I'm not sure how much I believe Jr. had permission from Caruso to flip on his dad because Nick did the most damage with his testimony. I do think that the outfit were probably happy to see Frank Sr go away because all the heat his family caused the outfit.
Nick is do out of jail pretty much any day now or he may have already been released. It's something that we'll never hear about since he is in witness protection.
A good example on how the outfit used to kill people even with all the attention is the guy who put away Cerone, Angelini and Ferriola back in the early 70's. Louis Bombacino was blown up about a year after all the guys he put away got out of jail. Granted back then they didn't have the DNA technology and stuff as they do today.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750815
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Carparelli isn't getting much press because his crimes aren't that interesting. He facilitated the beatings of a few people.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750824
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Nah if you'll thoroughly read the indictment, there was much more going on than just some petty extortion.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750825
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Post a link. I read the article.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: jonnynonos] #750831
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I'm not too familiar with the case. The only part I read was the original article on his arrest. I'm sure there is more then just a simple beating over an outstanding loan. I'm sure the feds are trying to get any info out of Paul but he seems like a die-hard outfit guy and won't talk. Joe Fosco mentioned that Michael Magnafichi is a buddy of Paul's.

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I'm saying the media and public doesn't care that much because in the annals of organized crime this is ankle-high.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: jonnynonos] #750853
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
I'm saying the media and public doesn't care that much because in the annals of organized crime this is ankle-high.

Agreed.

Wonder if he is made...he seems young to be made by Outfit standards. Though Lombardo was fairly young when he was made in the 60s I believe?

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Wouldn't call it "ankle high"

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: ChiTown] #750883
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I guess in the grand scheme of mafia goings ons it is.

Re: Outfit: Rep. Angelo "Skip" Saviano on Faceboo [Re: funkster] #750907
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I wonder if they even bother making people anymore. I agree he does seem young to be made but since the outfit doesn't kill as often and some people say you have to kill someone to be made. Maybe if your a big earner and haven't killed you can be made like a Don Angelini.
I've been reading stuff online about someone called "Mickey D". He's mentioned in the article about the indictment that he is a associate of Solly D.

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the chicago media has swept the mafia under the rug since capone got arrested

that's why it's history and current dealings are so unreported

the average chicagoan has no clue we even had a mafia after capone went to jail

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Originally Posted By: Geek899273
I wonder if they even bother making people anymore. I agree he does seem young to be made but since the outfit doesn't kill as often and some people say you have to kill someone to be made. Maybe if your a big earner and haven't killed you can be made like a Don Angelini.
I've been reading stuff online about someone called "Mickey D". He's mentioned in the article about the indictment that he is a associate of Solly D.


The NY rule, which Aiuppa decided to follow, was that to be made, someone had to participate in a murder. This means that merely assisting, as in the case of Dominick Montigilio and Michael Franzese was good enough.

Whether or not that is followed in Chicago is up for debate. The only suspected Outfit hits in the past decade have been Hatch, Zizzo, those two suspected drug dealers in 2009 and the restaurant owner from Highland Park in 2012. The only two real confirmed ones are Hatch and Zizzo.

Who is Mickey D? I haven't found any info.

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
the chicago media has swept the mafia under the rug since capone got arrested

that's why it's history and current dealings are so unreported

the average chicagoan has no clue we even had a mafia after capone went to jail


That's not entirely true. It was quite noticeable in the near west, far west and northwest suburbs well into the 1990s and even into the 2000s. Since the 1980s, the mob has primarily operated in the suburbs (other than the Bridgeport area), so if you are getting technical, then maybe the average city dweller Chicagoan doesn't have any interaction with the mob.

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Originally Posted By: Geek899273
Im sure once DiFronzo dies a lot of the younger guys will try to get things going again. DiFronzo may have deactivated the crew but that doesn't mean guys aren't still shaking down bookies and porno stores. Fosco said that DiFronzo still gets a cut of over sea gambling from Joey Devita? I think that's who handles the over sea gambling for Chicago. I always get him and Victor Vitta confused.


Other than Aruba, there likely isn't much overseas gambling occurring. What are the status of DeVita and Vita?

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I wonder if they even bother making people anymore. I agree he does seem young to be made but since the outfit doesn't kill as often and some people say you have to kill someone to be made. Maybe if your a big earner and haven't killed you can be made like a Don Angelini.
I've been reading stuff online about someone called "Mickey D". He's mentioned in the article about the indictment that he is a associate of Solly D.


The NY rule, which Aiuppa decided to follow, was that to be made, someone had to participate in a murder. This means that merely assisting, as in the case of Dominick Montigilio and Michael Franzese was good enough.

Whether or not that is followed in Chicago is up for debate. The only suspected Outfit hits in the past decade have been Hatch, Zizzo, those two suspected drug dealers in 2009 and the restaurant owner from Highland Park in 2012. The only two real confirmed ones are Hatch and Zizzo.

Who is Mickey D? I haven't found any info.


The drug dealer thing was posited by Fosco, no one else.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been, but take it for what it was: A story on a blog.

Which Highland Park restaurant owner?

Regarding guys getting made, Fosco said Mags told him the south side guys had made some guys not all that long ago... I forget the verbiage, but if memory serves the implication was maybe in the last 20 years. I could be wrong. Unfortunately I don't remember where it was in the comments section or which article and do not have the motivation to look!

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