Yeah Tommy, is just for make me an idea,and the numerber of the 5 families I take from the Muckremin charts. If anyone has a recent information,just make a post.

Total 990-1180 made men

That the American Mafia is in decline, it's a foregone conclusion.
Now only the families of the east coast retain a certain degree of power: in addition to the 5 families of New York, to Decavalcantes of New Jersey, the the Patriarcas of Boston and the Mafia in Philadelphia, other families or are extinct or are on the way to extinction .
I just wanted to know what is numerically the total strength of the American Mafia, I will take the numbers of made man from Wikipedia, and please, do not let close the post by SC, because continue to insult each other.


Genovese 250-300 made men
Gambino 180-220 made men
Lucchese 100-120 made men
Bonanno 100-130 made men
Colombo 90-110 made men

Buffalo 40 made man
Chicago Outfit 30 made men
Cleveland 15-20+ made men
Detroit Partnership 40-50+ made man
Kansas City 15+ made members
Los Angeles 15-20 made men (2003 estimate)
Milwaukee 10 made men
Patriarca 30 made men
DeCavalcante 40 made men
Philadelphia 50 made men

New York about 720-880 made men
Outside NY 270-300 made men

Total 990-1180 made men


if anyone has any corrections to do, go ahead

A lot of those are rather inflated.

Genovese and Gambino each have about 200 or so.
Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos each have about 100 or so.
It's approximately 700-750 members in New York.

The New Jersey, New England, and Philadelphia families each have about 40-50 members.

Chicago has 25-30.
Buffalo has about 20 at this point.
Detroit somewhere between 20-30.
As I've said, I'd be surprised if Kansas City is over 15 at this point.

All the other families are under 10 at this point. Some down to 1 or 2.

The total membership in the U.S. is approximately 1,000.

Simply assuming 10 associates for each member isn't always correct. Member to associate ratios vary from family to family. And the estimates vary according to how one defines an associate anyway.

but like you said its all about how an associate is defined.

I'm around sportsbooks all my life, and if a guy manages to stay independent, then good for him.

I have never understood why any sports book would want to become affiliated, unless of course coerced to pay up.

When they come knockin, their biggest selling point is, BY FAR, this line of bullshit: You come with us and you'll never have to worry about getting stiffed again because people will know you're with us and they'll fear you now.

Yeah, until you ask them to help you collect from some brokester who's not afraid to call the cops. Then they tell you it's not their problem. And if they ARE willing to help collect, it's always for a fifty-fifty split. At the very least .

There's really no way the Feds can get a good count on associates. An associate is a guy on the record with a family. But a family can claim any guy that does business with them. Picture Elvis Dalessio and his 50 odd agents, Elvis was claimed by prisco, so Elvis is a west side associate. Now his agents may not even know who they report to, they are doing biz under a genovese associate. Which means by extension they're associating and working for a family. Associates aren't all the same, a guy who lost a lot in sports runs to a guy to protect him while he pays the debts back, TECHNICALLY he's an associate. But he's on the same level as a associate who has his own crew and has a million in loans on the street

When they come knockin, their biggest selling point is, BY FAR, this line of bullshit: You come with us and you'll never have to worry about getting stiffed again because people will know you're with us and they'll fear you now.

Yeah, until you ask them to help you collect from some brokester who's not afraid to call the cops. Then they tell you it's not their problem. And if they ARE willing to help collect, it's always for a fifty-fifty split. At the very least .

A mob-affiliated bookie is less likely to get stiffed than a non-affiliated one. But I don't think that's the main selling point. "Kick up to us or else..." is a more effective selling point.

it seems that, at least with the five families, that most of the official estimates have it averaged out to around 5 associates per made guy, i.e the colombos having about 100 made guys with roughly 500 associates and the gambinos and genoveses having around 200 made guys with roughly 1000 associates, but like you said its all about how an associate is defined.

at what point in time would you say "The Mafia" had all the money in the US? 1920?

Hope you enjoyed your time here.

When they come knockin, their biggest selling point is, BY FAR, this line of bullshit: You come with us and you'll never have to worry about getting stiffed again because people will know you're with us and they'll fear you now.

Yeah, until you ask them to help you collect from some brokester who's not afraid to call the cops. Then they tell you it's not their problem. And if they ARE willing to help collect, it's always for a fifty-fifty split. At the very least .

seen it first hand...a buddy of mine was on a half sheet...only went with them because he thought they would help collect..when a kid who owned a package store locally stiffed my friend for 5k my friend got threatened with coming up with it or else.......