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Boehner discouraging govt shutdown #741836
09/26/13 04:14 PM
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"Don't ever go against the family again. Ever"- Michael Corleone
Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #741844
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This is absurd. It's being pushed by people who only care about making a point, no matter what the "cost" to their constituents.


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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #741904
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We are a few weeks from the debt limit crisis along with this CR, but I agree with 2006 Obama"

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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to
$8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and
health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans—a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators CONRAD and FEINGOLD, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense Pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, Pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and
to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending.

As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus
the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next 5 years.

That is why I will once again cosponsor the Pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.

Our debt also matters internationally. My friend, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, likes to remind us that it took 42 Presidents 224 years to run up only $1 trillion of foreign-held debt. This administration did more than that in just 5 years. Now, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from foreign countries. But we must remember that the more we depend on foreign nations to lend us money, the more our economic security is tied to the whims of foreign leaders whose interests might not be aligned with ours.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit”




http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2006-03-16/pdf/CREC-2006-03-16-pt1-PgS2236.pdf


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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #741908
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Boehner has been in a tight spot. No matter what he does, he going to upset a segment of his party.


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If Boehner had the courage to bring it to the floor without a republican majority, he would lose his speakership, but he would be seen as a hero by dems and moderate republicans...and he would be villified by the tea party. He would also get an unbelievable book deal, speakers fees all over the place, probably the JFK Profile in Courage award, maybe in ten years a medal of freedom, and he would go down in history as a legislator like Henry Clay (the great compromiser). If he doesnt, in ten years no one will even remember his name.


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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #742005
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Boehner...Courage??? smile


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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...s-ahead/280062/

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Two big examples of problematic self-government are upon us. They are of course the possible partial shutdown of the federal government, following the long-running hamstringing of public functions via "the sequester"; and a possible vote not to raise the federal debt ceiling, which would create the prospect of a default on U.S. Treasury debt.

The details are complicated, but please don't lose sight of these three essential points:

As a matter of substance, constant-shutdown, permanent-emergency governance is so destructive that no other serious country engages in or could tolerate it. The United States can afford it only because we are -- still -- so rich, with so much margin for waste and error. Details on this and other items below.*

As a matter of politics, this is different from anything we learned about in classrooms or expected until the past few years. We're used to thinking that the most important disagreements are between the major parties, not within one party; and that disagreements over policies, goals, tactics can be addressed by negotiation or compromise.

This time, the fight that matters is within the Republican party, and that fight is over whether compromise itself is legitimate.** Outsiders to this struggle -- the president and his administration, Democratic legislators as a group, voters or "opinion leaders" outside the generally safe districts that elected the new House majority -- have essentially no leverage over the outcome..
** The debt-ceiling vote, of course, is not about future spending decisions. It is about whether to cover expenditures the Congress has already authorized. There is no sane reason for subjecting this to a repeated vote. And there is no precedent for serious threats not to honor federal debt -- as opposed to symbolic anti-Administration protest votes, which both parties have cast over the years. Nor for demanding the reversal of major legislation as a condition for routine government operations.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #742095
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This is just another buying opportunity in the market, or, if you play with options, an opportunity to short sell some index funds.


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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #742161
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Cruz and his posse of conservatives should listen to their speaker and other moderates. Don't use this as an opportunity to repeal Obamacare, if you feel that strongly about the law, do it when you have the time, not when the clock is ticking on a government shutdown. Obama won't gut the law, especially since it's one of his only domestic achievements he's had. No way in hell is he going to give in, and Cruz and the other dunces need to realize that. I'm glad they passed a measure paying troops, defense contractors and civilian pentagon workers, but it's not enough.

This is not the time to bicker over a law that's not going to be repealed. I don't think it's the best solution to our health care problems, I think it's going to cause problems. But right now the focus needs to be finding a way to avoid a government shutdown. Not this goddamn useless partisan arguing bullshit


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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #742168
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Cruz and his posse of conservatives should listen to their speaker and other moderates. Don't use this as an opportunity to repeal Obamacare, if you feel that strongly about the law, do it when you have the time, not when the clock is ticking on a government shutdown. Obama won't gut the law, especially since it's one of his only domestic achievements he's had. No way in hell is he going to give in, and Cruz and the other dunces need to realize that. I'm glad they passed a measure paying troops, defense contractors and civilian pentagon workers, but it's not enough.

This is not the time to bicker over a law that's not going to be repealed. I don't think it's the best solution to our health care problems, I think it's going to cause problems. But right now the focus needs to be finding a way to avoid a government shutdown. Not this goddamn useless partisan arguing bullshit


Cruz is following the lesson created by Democrats back in the Nixon administration when they gutted aid to the South Vietnamese. We were already out of Vietnam and Nixon promised he'd help the South, but they defunded the effort. It's one of many dirty tricks that the Dems have played for almost two centuries.

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Perhaps Faithful but we don't need political bickering right now. The thing our Congress is missing is a willingness to come to the table for the sake of the country. Right now the super conservative GOP is making it difficult to make any kind of deal. Boehner and the others are being hampered by their own party for crying out loud! We need bipartisanship in Congress, we need strong leadership


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I just find it interesting that people are willing to attack Cruz for what he does while ignoring the long history of bickering by the left. At least Cruz was respectful while Reid, Pelosi, Biden, etc, have histories of hateful, slanderous comments. What kind of deal has Reid or Pelosi tried to barter? They were totally uncooperative while Bush was president and during the first two years of Obama's presidency refused to pass a budget; but they did pass Obamacare without knowing what was in it!

Do you see the GOP demonizing Reid or Pelosi to the length they went to bash Newt Gingrich? From the time he took over the House to the time he resigned he was deemed responsible for every evil in the universe. How about Reagan being senile (while in office) and trying to blow up the world (and this was while Reagan regularly reached out to Tip O'Neil)? How about Dick Cheney as Darth Vader? Where was the bipartisanship then?

Can you give me an example of a Democratic Congressperson in a position of power who reached out to the other side with some sort of real compromise that was also fiscally responsible? Can you name one Democratic plan to bring down the national debt?

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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
How about Dick Cheney as Darth Vader? Where was the bipartisanship then?

Can you give me an example of a Democratic Congressperson in a position of power who reached out to the other side with some sort of real compromise that was also fiscally responsible? Can you name one Democratic plan to bring down the national debt?



Your incredible lack of knowledge of history has shown its face again. Why don't you try to read some facts before you go off on your rants here?

1. The Dems voted overwhemingly for the Iraq war even though it was all based on lies war criminal Bush and war criminal cheney told.

2. The national debt has been dropping since Obama took office.

People like you are not symptoms of the problem, you are the problem. Go live in Paraguay or someplace more suitable to your politics. You are not a real American, yoou are a tereasonous, racist fascist.


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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: dontomasso] #742237
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
How about Dick Cheney as Darth Vader? Where was the bipartisanship then?

Can you give me an example of a Democratic Congressperson in a position of power who reached out to the other side with some sort of real compromise that was also fiscally responsible? Can you name one Democratic plan to bring down the national debt?



Your incredible lack of knowledge of history has shown its face again. Why don't you try to read some facts before you go off on your rants here?

1. The Dems voted overwhemingly for the Iraq war even though it was all based on lies war criminal Bush and war criminal cheney told.

2. The national debt has been dropping since Obama took office.

People like you are not symptoms of the problem, you are the problem. Go live in Paraguay or someplace more suitable to your politics. You are not a real American, yoou are a tereasonous, racist fascist.


DT seriously shut the hell up. You're letting anger get the best of you.

Think about what you're saying. War criminal bush? War criminal Cheney? You know that isn't true despite your dislike of bush.

Also you know the debt had increased since bush took office. But it's not just him. It's increased under Obama as well. If you can't acknowledge that well good luck to you.

Finally you're committing the classic liberal blunder. Resorting to name calling. You're labeling him a fascist and a racist when he's given no indication he's either and that's not even what this debate is about.

Calm down buddy. Seriously

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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
How about Dick Cheney as Darth Vader? Where was the bipartisanship then?

Can you give me an example of a Democratic Congressperson in a position of power who reached out to the other side with some sort of real compromise that was also fiscally responsible? Can you name one Democratic plan to bring down the national debt?



Your incredible lack of knowledge of history has shown its face again. Why don't you try to read some facts before you go off on your rants here?

1. The Dems voted overwhemingly for the Iraq war even though it was all based on lies war criminal Bush and war criminal cheney told.

2. The national debt has been dropping since Obama took office.

People like you are not symptoms of the problem, you are the problem. Go live in Paraguay or someplace more suitable to your politics. You are not a real American, yoou are a tereasonous, racist fascist.


My lack of knowledge?!? Seriously, you need to take a chill pill and go back to college because your knowledge of history is atrocious.

1. Yes, the Dems voted for the Iraq War. So what? What has that got to do with anything I wrote? Get back on your Ritalin so you can focus and stop letting your mind wander off on to tangents.

1A. Bush and Cheney lied? Another far left-wing lie. A lie is an INTENTIONAL act to deceive. Some of their information was wrong, but PROVE where it was a lie. You can't because it wasn't. Someone who allegedly went to law school ought to know the difference between intentional and unintentional. And for the record, not all of their info was wrong, only a small portion of it, and that can mostly be attributed to the lack of cooperation from the Iraqi gov't with UN weapons inspectors.

2. The national debt has decreased under Obama? I already PROVED that it has increased MORE under one Obama term than two Bush terms using the government's own data. You really need to put down the bottle. At least read the previous posts before you respond to them. I not only gave the info, but I provided links, so you are without excuse.

3. No, people like me are the solution. You keep on posting ignorant left-wing rants that are devoid of facts and only include opinions that contradict reality. Then when you are challenged with the truth you resort to childish name-calling, which should prove to all the weakness of your positions. You have no facts so you do the usual left-wing "racist" "fascist" thing. If you knew who I was you would know how stupid that insult was. And that's "stupid" with one "p," not two. If it makes you feel better I can end with Dontomasso is a racist fascist bigoted hatemongering stupid idiot cretin fool, but I won't. On some level you are probably an intelligent person and since I don't know you I have no basis to call you a racist, fascist, whatever. Some of your thinking is foolish and your insults border on hate since there is no reason for them other than you letting your emotions get away from you. You want to continue the insults or are you able to reason intelligently? The choice is yours.

Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #742357
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So Obama ran on healthcare; did what he said he would and got it past both houses and the Supreme Court. Romney ran against healthcare and lost; and the Republicans don't have the votes to repeal it under the Constitution (they wouldn't even control the House without gerrymandering, since they got 1.5 million fewer votes). How is it remotely legit to blow up the government if they don't get their way?

It's not of course but the Republicans are in full temper tantrum mode. They still can't grok that they lost. The ironic part of course is that they still failed to halt Obamacare. What a bunch of morons. Perhaps their next move is to threaten to hold their breath until Obamacare is defunded...


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Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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What is really amusing is they don't know they are a a small minority which will never be elected in a national election. I wish them all the best in taking over the Reopulican party. the Dems will have presidents through 2032 at least


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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #742533
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Oh my god the world didn't end? Holy shit, I feel so bad for those hard working 30 hour a week government employees who collect 60 k a year until they retire at 55. Then collect 60 k a year in retirement. WAAAAAAAA

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Re: Boehner discouraging govt shutdown [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #742535
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this Vinnie. This shutdown needs to be averted ASAP. Right now the people who make our laws are more guilty of incompetence than those who work for them.


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During the 1979 government shutdown the Democratic-controlled House gave themselves and their staffers a raise.

Since 1976 there have been 18 government shutdowns. Each time we managed to survive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown_in_the_United_States

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http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2013/10/02/shutdown-john-sivolella

Good article on this. And btw Faithful can we at least agree that infighting among Dems and the GOP is just not good? We elected them to govern not to bitch. Pointing fingers only makes it worse


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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2013/10/02/shutdown-john-sivolella

Good article on this. And btw Faithful can we at least agree that infighting among Dems and the GOP is just not good? We elected them to govern not to bitch. Pointing fingers only makes it worse


I don't know how you would get around infighting. Both parties pretty much disagree on everything. Asking the government to spend within its means is now considered "right wing," so limiting immigration to those who enter the country legally. Before the Johnson administration both parties agreed on those things. The Kennedy administration was the last real neo-liberal administration where both parties essentially agreed on things. Things changed under Johnson. He escalated the Vietnam War and the New Left in its various forms challenged his administration and then started its takeover of the Democratic Party. That led to the increased division of the parties.

In the early 1970s following Roe v Wade, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Jesse Jackson all made public statements renouncing the decision. Jackson called it "genocide" in public rallies. So why did they change? They all changed when they ran for president to get the approval of Planned Parenthood. Before then most Americans were in general agreement on abortion: they thought it was wrong except for extreme cases, such as the life of the mother.

Today, the parties are so far apart that I don't know how they can agree on anything. Look at some of the posters here as an example of what I'm writing about. If someone takes a reasoned point of view that disagrees with their point of view they leap out screaming "Fascist!" and "Racist!" and every other epithet they can think of, even to the point of sending out hateful pms. How do you reason with people like that? And if you can't reason with them, how are you ever going to find a point of agreement if there's a total lack of civility?

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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this Vinnie. This shutdown needs to be averted ASAP. Right now the people who make our laws are more guilty of incompetence than those who work for them.


It may need to be averted, but as someone who works with small business owners and does tax accounting for small business', I can say that compared to the onerously anti business affordable care act, this shut down has minimal bearing.

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There are reports that the House has the necessary votes to end the shutdown and fund the government as 17 Republican members of conress have indicated a willingness to bring this to an end. Having the votes is one thing; getting John Boehner to call a vote is another.

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How about getting Harry Reid to call a vote to end this? Where is the willingness of the Democratic members? Why don't they move forward to end the government shutdown that they created?

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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
How about getting Harry Reid to call a vote to end this? Where is the willingness of the Democratic members? Why don't they move forward to end the government shutdown that they created?


Under what authority can a U.S. Senator call for a vote in the House of Representatives?

This ball is squarely in John Boehner's court.

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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
How about getting Harry Reid to call a vote to end this? Where is the willingness of the Democratic members? Why don't they move forward to end the government shutdown that they created?


Under what authority can a U.S. Senator call for a vote in the House of Representatives?

This ball is squarely in John Boehner's court.


Obviously he can act like a leader and call for a vote in his own Senate to compromise with the House. That ball is in HIS court.

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