[i][/i] Are they operating in the United States? This is the future of Italian organized crime in my opinion. The American La Cosa Nostra is withering away it seems. I think over time all the bickering over what family is more powerful will be pointless. Its about ndrangheta and camorra now...your thoughts?

Past predictions of the Italian syndicates either expanding themselves here in the U.S., or the American mob bringing over new members from Italy, have never panned out. The Sicilians still have the most presence of the Italian groups in the U.S. and it seems to only be a fraction of what it was years ago. Some members and associates may pop up here and there but I don't see the 'Ndrangheta gaining the same presence here that it has in, say, Canada or Australia. Let alone the Camorra, which doesn't have the international scope the 'Ndrangheta does.

As for the future of Italian organized crime in the U.S., once the remaining smaller families are gone, the Mafia as we know it in the U.S. will basically be a phenomenon found only within the greater New York metropolitan area.

http://www.academia.edu/1810710/Family_Influence_Italian_mafia_crime_group_in_Australia

A very detailed essay by Italian criminologist Dr. Anna Sergi on Ndrangheta's dealings in Australia.

Note how the three foreign nations where Calabrians have most men (Canada, Australia and Germany) have one key thing in common: no RICO-like laws.

"which doesn't have the international scope the 'Ndrangheta does."

Aren't they (the camorra) heavy into Spain and the german and dutch speaking nations though?

yes, in Canada, it is very prominent in Toronto. There are a couple of sicilian factions, they are mutually respected along side the Calabreese.

http://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/4062026-suspected-mafia-boss-arrested-at-home-in-vaughan/

not sure if this has posted.

Since they are in Canada, they will be in United States eventually. It's just a matter of time.

The Siderno Group which is either a part of or affiliated with the 'Ndrangheta has been operating in NYC for decades. They seem to be based more in Canada from what i've read but there has definitely been guys with that group operating in NY. But i really don't know too much about them. I think Frank Cali has had some dealings with them but i can't remember where i read that.

An interesting sidenote to that is that in a 1982 article on Nicky Scarfo it said he has or had 2 relatives that were members of that Siderno Group. But there were several errors in that article so i can't be sure if that is really true or not. In the article they called it the Sardeno Group but it's actually called the Siderno Group. The article was titled :

THE SCARFO STORY, LITTLE NICKY': MAKING OF A MOBSTER

Philadelphia Daily News September 7, 1982

"An organized crime investigator in New York could not confirm Philip Scarfo's ties with the mob there, but said two other relatives, Frank Scarfo and Pasqualino Scarfo, were members of New York's Sardeno group, an organized crime unit that started in Calabria, Italy, and deals in narcotics."

It was on an italian news site where i read Cali had some connection to The Siderno Group aka The Siderno Clan aka The Siderno Cartel.

http://www.repubblica.it/2008/01/sezioni...oy-english.html

"American investigators do have some suspicions, though, and open up a file on Franky simply because of his closeness to the "Inzerillo family in Palermo, and to members of the Siderno cartel of the 'ndrangheta"."

They've been in Canada for over 50 yrs, they seemed to be quite content with the billions they've been earning up there, and with their connections south of the border, they don't need to go to the US themselves.

Why complicate things? Canada is a mob's heaven.


I read somewhere that there are 7 'ndrine in the GTA.

Spain yes. Costa del Sol is filled with them. Bars, pizzerias, condos, etc...

As far as Central Europe, they're sure around there but they're not even close to the Calabrians.

I found this after a fast googling... credits to "mafia export" by Francesco Forgione

Yes, the Camorra is international but not to the extent the 'Ndrangheta is.

The FBI website states that there is 100-200 ndrangheta members and associates in the US mainly in New York and Florida. i think Project Reckoning was the last time there was a major case against these guys.(correct me if im wrong please.)

I firmly believe that the Calabrian/Ndrangheta are responsible for the Rizzuto Family murders. The 7 clans from Toronto have taken over the drug trade in Canada and Montreal was their main goal to tighten their control of the market. Not to mention The Rizzutos were responsible for whacking out The Calabrians to take control of Montreal. It's 1 part drug trade takeover and 1 part revenge.

There's been speculation that there was tacit support from the 'Ndrangheta but the killings were obviously the work of a breakaway group from the Rizzutos. And I don't think we've seen any signs of the 'Ndrangheta taking control of the drug trade in Montreal.

Sorry, guys: this is a lot.
Are these guys considered mob? Are they pseudo-mob? Are they structured the same, same jargon, terms, operating system? Are they just a clone of Cosa Nostra? Will they merge and do they associate with Cosa Nostra?

They are very close to the Sicilian Mafia, u have people made in Cosa Nostra & 'Ndrangheta at the same time,Toto Riina's best man was a 'Ndrangheta.Yes they are a organized crime group,most powerful in Italy,and one of most powerful world wide,they operate independently from the Sicilians,but as i mentioned above they do work together.They have cells in South America,Germany(The Duisburg massacre),Spain,US,Canada.

I keep reading on the internet how "powerful" they are in Canada, yet when I go there all I see is them using tweaked out biker gangs to hawk tax free cigarettes and American liquor, and shanking down Indian bingo parlors. From what I have seen, Falzone’s people have more money on the street in the Falls, Port Perry, Point Edward and Hamiltion on any given day then they handle in Toronto and Windsor in a year.
I actually looked to see what kind of power they held, I was not impressed

No offence but this is 'ndrangheta you're talking about, not Gotti at the Ravenite. It's slow suffocation, with most of their money from cocaine trafficking pumped back into legit operations, and not only so they can launder drug money.

johnny don't even bother...I doubt that he can even spell the word 'Ndrangheta.

What does pseudo-mob mean? 'ndrangheta are the real deal, more so than any current US 'mob' family could ever hope to be, but if you mean are they accepted as true mafiosi by Cosa Nostra then yes.

Structure is totally different to any other mafia structure. All that boss, underboss, captain stuff? It doens't work like that with 'ndrangheta. Its really complex but basically they act as a cell, known as a locale or 'ndrina which is split into two - a major society and a minor society - for reasons of secrecy. as you rise up the heirarchy you are given different ranks, which are known as flowers.

Associates are known as giovane d'onore (youth of honour). After that you have the elaborate initiaon ceremony, which is much more complex than cosa nostra. Then you've got your flower as a picciotto. If promoted and given another flower, you move up to the title of sgarrista. Essentially these are just different types of foot soldiers.

If you get promoted from sgarrista you move into the major society of your ndrina. This is like officer class or, i guess, the equivalent to capos. But theyre not really capos coz they have different titles like contabile (book keeper) or capocrimine (head of crime). As well as these specific jobs, the flowers keep coming, so you can become a santista or a vangelista while working in the major society.

After that you can get given trequartino or quartino flowers which makes you a senior member of the locale. Finally the highest ranking member of the ndrina is known as padrino, or godfather.

The padrino will sit as a member of the relevant mandamento (regional commission) he is a member of. The mandamenti then each elects one of their padrino to sit on the the provincial commission, which is known as il crimine and meets once a year at san luca during a feast in september. At this meeting the padrino meet to elect a head of ndrangheta, known as the capocrimine. He's not really a boss of bosses though, more like a chief mediator.

One thing to remember on all this is that, coz 'ndrangheta is structred to maximise secrecy, many members only deal with blood relatives. therefore most locale are a literal family as well as a metaphorical one. Marriages are a VERY big deal to these guys - they make and break careers almost every time.

So in short no, they're not a 'clone' of cosa nostra - they are a totally different organisation both structurally and geographically. But yeah, they definitely work closely with cosa nostra, partnering on lots of deals.

hope that helps

I've heard that a lot, but not sure its true in the modern era. the couple of examples usually cited are either dubious or pre-1945.

not like it really even matters at this point, but how is it that you are even able to get into canada with what i presume are the many felonies that you were charged with when you "stood tall"? they won't let people into that country who have a simple dui, yet you somehow managed? were you smuggled in by some unknown bigshots that you know? anyway, you are more full of shit than a porta potty as a nascar event!

Sorry *cough I'm allergic to bullshit

" From what I have seen, Falzone’s people have more money on the street in the Falls, Port Perry, Point Edward and Hamiltion on any given day then they handle in Toronto and Windsor in a year.
I actually looked to see what kind of power they held, I was not impressed"

Well, if an ex-associate totally different mob group knows all of the intimate details of their operations then they must be in the crapper. In fact, if an ex-associate knows exactly how much money Buffalo has on the streets, the Buffalo obviously does not care at all about secrecy. It amazing that the RCMP and FBI have absolutely no idea what is going on despite the fact that you found out everything during some weekend trip.

I love Falzone's extortion racket at Niagara Falls: Wear my Maid of the Mist Ponchos or you'll get soaking wet with mist. It's amazing that the Buffalo family is so powerful that they have a say in how the waterfall mists. It must come from their control of the Local 790 of the Misters Union. The Colombos tried to take control of the Misters until the Buffalo family tricked them into thinking that their pants were unzipped. When the Buffalo guys said "eXamine Your Zipper" the Colombos looked and Buffalo killed them. The papers called it the XYZ war.

Lots of good information here. Johnny's post was very interesting, never knew 'Ndrangheta hierarchy was so complex.

Yeah, there's more money being made in Niagara region and Hamilton (with a combined population of around 1 million and stagnating economies) than there is in Toronto (with a population over 6 million and off the charts construction boom over the last decade). Yeah, common sense will lead you to believe that for about 0 seconds.

I suppose at this stage you've given up on anyone actually buying your schtick and you're just trying to annoy people.

PS: If hiring biker muscle was a reference to Peter Scarcella he is Sicilian not Calabrese and is allied with Rizzuto more than ndrangheta clans.

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If you want to know more about Scarcella, seeing as you got your info about the tobacco running from the article, watch the following video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5YPpygNhw0

Always amusing when people who don't know shit claim those who actually do know what they are talking about are wrong....yet offer nothing to counter the correct information.
FACT..The ndrangheta rackets in Ontario consist of cigarettes and liquor, and shaking down the low end native American gambling operations…Period
FACT…Buffalo still has the major casino sub industries and the shylock business that surrounds it locked in
FACT… ndrangheta enforcers are almost exclusively lowlife outlaw biker gangs, have been for decades
Didn’t need Wikipedia and regurgitated posts from real deal to know this, seen it and been around it first hand for years
Everything else is media bullshjit , Internet drival, and a figment of some imaginations that there are these old school Calabrase mustache Petes looming in the shadows running the rackets in Ontario…..you guys don’t even k now how laughable that is.
Smarten up

I have NO DOUBT you spend a lot of time hanging around both porta pottys and nascar events...How many teeth, upper and lower I mean? 10, 12 tops?
As I have stated in previous posts, in the end I was never convicted of a felony, thus my 14 month bullet in a relitive country club in Oxford Wi.

i hate nascar, i think it should be banned!

i don't know you, but i'm sure i could beat you up. so if you're feeling froggy, jump!