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Viable familys/clans in italy/sicily today #737714
08/31/13 01:00 PM
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recently started reading up on the other side since i got a lot of knowledge out of the American mafia so which Camorra/Sicilian mafia clan (i don't know how everything's organized) are still active and who are the known leaders

Re: Viable familys/clans in italy/sicily today [Re: Philip_Lombardo] #737755
08/31/13 04:19 PM
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In Sicily alone, there's about 5,000 (maybe somewhat less) made men, from viable, active families, and thousands of associates.
Every town has a boss of the family. Every 3 families or so, of neighboring towns within a province, makes up what's called a mandamento. Each mandamento has a boss (capomandamento). Every province then has a boss (capoprovincial).
Palermo is the capitol with most mandamenti coming from there.

I dont have books to recommend, there's some other guys on here that probably know some good ones.
There's also lists floating around here of the names of bosses, etc.


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Re: Viable familys/clans in italy/sicily today [Re: carmela] #737762
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To get a clue on just how widespread the problem is in the homeland-

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mafia-now-italys-largest-bank

The Mafia by GDP is still the countries biggest financial institution, if you want to call it that.

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Organised crime groups like the Sicilian Cosa Nostra, the Naples Camorra or the Calabrian 'Ndrangheta have long had a stranglehold on the Italian economy, generating profits equivalent to about 7 percent of national output.



Extortionate lending had become an increasingly sophisticated and lucrative source of income, alongside drug trafficking, arms smuggling, prostitution, gambling and racketeering, the report said.



"The classic neighbourhood or street loan shark is on the way out, giving way to organised loan-sharking that is well connected with professional circles and operates with the connivance of high-level professionals," the report said.



It estimated about 200,000 businesses were tied to extortionate lenders and tens of thousands of jobs had been lost as a result.

Extortion - new vs old school:

Old style gangsters handing out cash in bars and pool halls had been replaced by apparently respectable bankers, lawyers or notaries, the report said.



"This is extortion with a clean face," it added. "Through their professions, they know the mechanisms of the legal credit market and they often know the financial position of their victims perfectly."



Small businesses, who have struggled to get hold of credit during the economic slowdown, may have been increasingly tempted to turn to the mafia, said the report.



Typical victims of extortionate lending were middle-aged shopkeepers and small businessmen who would struggle to find a new job and who were ready to try anything to avoid bankruptcy, it added.



"They are usually people in traditional retail sectors like food, greengrocers, clothes or shoe shops, florists or furniture shops. These are the categories which, more than any other, are paying the price of the (economic) crisis," it said.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 08/31/13 05:17 PM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: Viable familys/clans in italy/sicily today [Re: LittleNicky] #737773
08/31/13 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
To get a clue on just how widespread the problem is in the homeland-

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mafia-now-italys-largest-bank

The Mafia by GDP is still the countries biggest financial institution, if you want to call it that.

Quote:

Organised crime groups like the Sicilian Cosa Nostra, the Naples Camorra or the Calabrian 'Ndrangheta have long had a stranglehold on the Italian economy, generating profits equivalent to about 7 percent of national output.



Extortionate lending had become an increasingly sophisticated and lucrative source of income, alongside drug trafficking, arms smuggling, prostitution, gambling and racketeering, the report said.



"The classic neighbourhood or street loan shark is on the way out, giving way to organised loan-sharking that is well connected with professional circles and operates with the connivance of high-level professionals," the report said.



It estimated about 200,000 businesses were tied to extortionate lenders and tens of thousands of jobs had been lost as a result.

Extortion - new vs old school:

Old style gangsters handing out cash in bars and pool halls had been replaced by apparently respectable bankers, lawyers or notaries, the report said.



"This is extortion with a clean face," it added. "Through their professions, they know the mechanisms of the legal credit market and they often know the financial position of their victims perfectly."



Small businesses, who have struggled to get hold of credit during the economic slowdown, may have been increasingly tempted to turn to the mafia, said the report.



Typical victims of extortionate lending were middle-aged shopkeepers and small businessmen who would struggle to find a new job and who were ready to try anything to avoid bankruptcy, it added.



"They are usually people in traditional retail sectors like food, greengrocers, clothes or shoe shops, florists or furniture shops. These are the categories which, more than any other, are paying the price of the (economic) crisis," it said.


Great article Nicky. It's crazy that the 'Ndrangheta alone account for 7%, i had heard something along those lines before but for some reason i thought it was only 2-3%. I mean it's not as if Italy is a small economy, it's top 10-15 in the world and top 5 in Europe uhwhat

Re: Viable familys/clans in italy/sicily today [Re: Philip_Lombardo] #737775
08/31/13 06:15 PM
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Italy is bordering being a third world country. The only saving grace it has is being part of the EU. Sicily alone, has unemployment rate of over 30%. There is no work.


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Re: Viable familys/clans in italy/sicily today [Re: Philip_Lombardo] #737806
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I think I recall one of the wiki leaks saying that if southern Italy and Sicily were their own countries, they would be a failed state.

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Re: Viable familys/clans in italy/sicily today [Re: IvyLeague] #738179
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At what point will the Italian mafias will be considered a transnational threat that will make the UN and world leaders agressevely try and crack down at them. I mean they seem like a huge threat to Italys economy and government.


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