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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: Lilo] #738732
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
The idea of attacking Syria doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't see where there is a key US interest at stake, nor have we been attacked. Chemical weapons have been used before. There have been civil wars in other nations before. There is a fair question as to who used chemical weapons which needs to be answered.

It's interesting how people's opinions sometimes vary on war powers depending on who sits in the big seat. Congress has only declared war five times in US history. On at least 100 occasions the President has ordered war/attacks without authorization from Congress. I think that was all wrong but let's not pretend this President is the first to do so or say he can. This "unitary executive" idea has defenders in all parties and across the political spectrum. Many people who would usually be pro-war are against it because they do not like this President. Some who are usually against war are for it because they like this President. I think war is too important to be a partisan issue.

I've been inundating my representative with emails/phone calls to not support the President on this. I think that's all anyone can do. Let your representative and Seantors know how you feel, organize, agitate and vote.

Several of the rebel groups include some pretty nasty people and I just don't see how the US makes things better by bombing. The rebels are not, from what I can see, reluctant warriors who yearn to put down their guns and return to moisture farms on Tattooine.


That's something i'll never grasp about Americans, nothing should be a partisan issue. I don't know about the rest of the UK, but at least here in Glasgow i've never met a hardcore Labour or Conservative party hack. After we vote for whoever we quickly get pissed when they do something wrong or vice versa, we don't get into the Obama is terrible camp or the we must defend Obama camp. Then again this is just my personal experience with the attitude towards politicians, there is of course plenty of partisans here.

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Bombing is not the answer. It is just going to make things worse, kill more people and maybe draw us into another war. Reagan allowed Saddam to use nerve gas when he was fighting Iran, and apparently gas has been used in Syria before. If we were going to fire a "warning shot" at him, it should have been done the day after the chemial attacks with drones and tomahawks hitting Syrian airfields, crippling Assad's air force. That time has come and gone. It is not likely the House will pass the resolution, and if the president bombs them with a no vote from congress there is a constitutional crisis brewing here.
The real problem in Syria is there do not appear to be any "good guys" fighting on either side. Yes women and children are dying, but thats what happens in a civil war. The truth is as long as these factions fight each other the weaker it makes them, which maybe is not all that bad a thing.

As for all nonsense about how this may affect iran and North Korea, it is simply not the case. N Korea is not going to Storm Seoul becuase China won't let them, and Iran is going to get the bomb. Period. Who are we or who is anyone to say who can or cant have the bomb?


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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: tiger84] #738735
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Originally Posted By: tiger84
LOL alot of people on this board dont know shit about world affairs.

If this was 5 years ago and we decided to attack any nation britian would of been the first to join and be our bitch.The world power is shifting the biggest threat is china who has has taken all the local jobs of all western countries and whos millions of citizens overpopulate these western countries and the Chinese government stays out of world affairs and then comes in takes more of the econimies

ASAD IS BACKED BY RUSSIA its not like Libya or iraq or egypt wre some rebel group is going to take over.Israel isnt this great army the media has potrayed they have been fighting with rock armed Palestinians for the past 50 years and still haven't wiped them out.Stop watching NBC or Fox news and start getting your info from the internet


Great idea. Just go online and find some blog that is appealing and go with it. I would suggest reading the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal. You will get liberal and conservative tilts to relatively honest reporting. Also read the Economist magizine to get an international flavor. Skip Cable television altogether, unless you want sheer entertainment.


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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: Lilo] #738749
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
The rebels are not, from what I can see, reluctant warriors who yearn to put down their guns and return to moisture farms on Tattooine.

lol lol

By the way, Lilo. You're spot-on about how people quickly change their postitions about war depending on who's sitting in the Oval Office. If this was Bush the liberals would be comparing him to Hitler, and the conservatives would be all for it. Flip-flop, anyone?

But it's no surprising. Unfortunately some people (maybe most people) need to identify with one side or the other. The lines have to be drawn for them because they're either too weak or too stupid to draw them for themselves. They're sheep who will tow the party line every single time. It's really kinda sad.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

By the way, Lilo. You're spot-on about how people quickly change their postitions about war depending on who's sitting in the Oval Office. If this was Bush the liberals would be comparing him to Hitler, and the conservatives would be all for it. Flip-flop, anyone?


I agree.


You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Well said PB, well said.

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Personally i'm not so sure those Syrian "Rebels" are any better then the thug already in power. I've been reading some pretty nasty stories on these so called freedom fighters. I think both sides are all cut from the same cloth myself.

Maybe arm and train the side you want but i wouldn't want to lose 1 of our guys over there for either side. Both sides hate our guts so why even start shit you know we won't support for any length of time? And just a symbolic missle strike will make us look weak in my opinion like we're too scared to put our guys on the ground.

Whatever nerve gas they have has most likely been moved so whats the sense of hitting some empty bunker or whatever? For what? Just political points back home? Obama played this one real poorly in my opinion.

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I don't think the conservatives would be for this one. There's a lot of evidence to show that many of the rebels are allied with Al Qaeda. Unfortunately it seems that a police state is necessary to keep Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood and their allies in check. Look at what's going on in Egypt right now, with supporters of Morsi bombing and blowing up churches. Many so-called freedom fighters want the freedom to establish Shari'a and the persecution of Jews and Christians. So I'm not so sure that the conservatives would be the ones flip-flopping. Meanwhile the Congressional Black Congress (all Democrats) has decided to support this ONLY because they are supporting Obama. THAT is hypocrisy.

Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: DE NIRO] #738851
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These shots across the bow don't work and never have worked. They merely just piss off all sides involve and make us look like the bad guy to every conceivable side. If anything, they make things worse: our enemies know we are too weak to actually fight a real war. See Clinton bombing the aspirin factory, and the fallout with 9/11 (Osama said it was at that moment he knew america was too weak to take his organization on).

I see there being two coherent arguments: a call for a real war and a collecting of the chemical weapons with boots on the ground OR stay the f out and let allah sort it out. Anything else is just attempting to salvage Obama's rep with symbolism.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: LittleNicky] #739101
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
These shots across the bow don't work and never have worked. They merely just piss off all sides involve and make us look like the bad guy to every conceivable side. If anything, they make things worse: our enemies know we are too weak to actually fight a real war. See Clinton bombing the aspirin factory, and the fallout with 9/11 (Osama said it was at that moment he knew america was too weak to take his organization on).

I see there being two coherent arguments: a call for a real war and a collecting of the chemical weapons with boots on the ground OR stay the f out and let allah sort it out. Anything else is just attempting to salvage Obama's rep with symbolism.



you mean America's reputation as the worlds protector

now we're getting into it with a country that's ready to use chemical weapons

we probably sold them the weapons but that's another topic

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Now they're saying Russia stepped in and says Syria will give up their chemical weapons.

Watch them give up one or two dirty bombs and say THAT'S IT!

Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: cookcounty] #739177
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
These shots across the bow don't work and never have worked. They merely just piss off all sides involve and make us look like the bad guy to every conceivable side. If anything, they make things worse: our enemies know we are too weak to actually fight a real war. See Clinton bombing the aspirin factory, and the fallout with 9/11 (Osama said it was at that moment he knew america was too weak to take his organization on).

I see there being two coherent arguments: a call for a real war and a collecting of the chemical weapons with boots on the ground OR stay the f out and let allah sort it out. Anything else is just attempting to salvage Obama's rep with symbolism.



you mean America's reputation as the worlds protector

now we're getting into it with a country that's ready to use chemical weapons

we probably sold them the weapons but that's another topic



Yea, because America has such a great record on chemical weapons:
http://fpif.org/the_us_and_chemical_weapons_no_leg_to_stand_on/

http://reason.com/archives/2013/09/10/the-cynical-us-policy-on-chemical-weapon

You should be slightly more questioning about horeshit humanitarian rhetoric and moralizing from cynical politicans. It's the oldest and most historically used trick in the book for starting aggressive conflicts. For some reason, I think if the president wasn't black or named George Bush you would be singing a different tune. Just admit you have undying loyalty to the man and are willing to have soldiers die for his incoherent, off the cuff remarks about red lines.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 09/10/13 09:27 AM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: dixiemafia] #739180
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Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Now they're saying Russia stepped in and says Syria will give up their chemical weapons.

Watch them give up one or two dirty bombs and say THAT'S IT!


This time it's Kerry's off the cuff remarks that got the administration in trouble on their path to war making. This deal is the best possible scenario (getting the weapons out, impossible wo boots on the ground), but the admin will try to take the statement back now. Putin has one this match.

It's thoroughly amateur hour over there.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 09/10/13 09:37 AM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: LittleNicky] #739191
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
These shots across the bow don't work and never have worked. They merely just piss off all sides involve and make us look like the bad guy to every conceivable side. If anything, they make things worse: our enemies know we are too weak to actually fight a real war. See Clinton bombing the aspirin factory, and the fallout with 9/11 (Osama said it was at that moment he knew america was too weak to take his organization on).

I see there being two coherent arguments: a call for a real war and a collecting of the chemical weapons with boots on the ground OR stay the f out and let allah sort it out. Anything else is just attempting to salvage Obama's rep with symbolism.



you mean America's reputation as the worlds protector

now we're getting into it with a country that's ready to use chemical weapons

we probably sold them the weapons but that's another topic



Yea, because America has such a great record on chemical weapons:
http://fpif.org/the_us_and_chemical_weapons_no_leg_to_stand_on/

http://reason.com/archives/2013/09/10/the-cynical-us-policy-on-chemical-weapon

You should be slightly more questioning about horeshit humanitarian rhetoric and moralizing from cynical politicans. It's the oldest and most historically used trick in the book for starting aggressive conflicts. For some reason, I think if the president wasn't black or named George Bush you would be singing a different tune. Just admit you have undying loyalty to the man and are willing to have soldiers die for his incoherent, off the cuff remarks about red lines.



so it's obamas fault that he has to keep up Americas charade?

Syria used wmd on their own people so now freedom fighting USA has to step in

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
These shots across the bow don't work and never have worked. They merely just piss off all sides involve and make us look like the bad guy to every conceivable side. If anything, they make things worse: our enemies know we are too weak to actually fight a real war. See Clinton bombing the aspirin factory, and the fallout with 9/11 (Osama said it was at that moment he knew america was too weak to take his organization on).

I see there being two coherent arguments: a call for a real war and a collecting of the chemical weapons with boots on the ground OR stay the f out and let allah sort it out. Anything else is just attempting to salvage Obama's rep with symbolism.



you mean America's reputation as the worlds protector

now we're getting into it with a country that's ready to use chemical weapons

we probably sold them the weapons but that's another topic



Yea, because America has such a great record on chemical weapons:
http://fpif.org/the_us_and_chemical_weapons_no_leg_to_stand_on/

http://reason.com/archives/2013/09/10/the-cynical-us-policy-on-chemical-weapon

You should be slightly more questioning about horeshit humanitarian rhetoric and moralizing from cynical politicans. It's the oldest and most historically used trick in the book for starting aggressive conflicts. For some reason, I think if the president wasn't black or named George Bush you would be singing a different tune. Just admit you have undying loyalty to the man and are willing to have soldiers die for his incoherent, off the cuff remarks about red lines.



so it's obamas fault that he has to keep up Americas charade?

Syria used wmd on their own people so now freedom fighting USA has to step in


So that we can overthrow what is a semi-secular government of limited danger to the west and israeli and replace it with an al queda led rebel group that will be left with a stockpile of chemical weapons to use on the west? Or do you just mean damaging him as little as possible as a response, but don't try to change the balance of the war, accomplishing nothing and leaving both sides hating us even more?

Its a incoherent policy by any metric. Your man in the white house is making a mess of things.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 09/10/13 12:29 PM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
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America has been doing that since Obama was like 3 years old

the middle east hates us because of the shit we pulled in the 80s

Obama wasn't president then

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@littlenicky


America has been doing that since Obama was like 3 years old

the middle east hates us because of the shit we pulled in the 80s

Obama wasn't president then


Can you please respond in any way other than 2 or 3 vague sentences for once? Plenty of people have responded to you in detail and you throw out 3 empty sentences, start with this: the middle east hates us because of the shit we pulled in the 80s

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@littlenicky


America has been doing that since Obama was like 3 years old

the middle east hates us because of the shit we pulled in the 80s

Obama wasn't president then


The Muslim Middle East hates us because we have historically supported Israel. It has nothing to do with the Left-wing empty rhetoric about the 80s (if it was about the 80s, then why did Iran take 52 American hostages during the Carter administration?).

Even before the creation of Israel in 1948 the Muslim Brotherhood and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem worked with the Nazis to destroy the Jewish population of Palestine. You should read up on all the Islamic terrorist organizations that were created as Muslim Brotherhood offshoots. The common element all these organizations have in their hatred of America is because the USA supports Israel and is the home to millions of Jews.

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We should stay out of there. Let them all kill each other. If they mess with Isreal, we should give Israel the green light to do whatever they want.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Lilo
The rebels are not, from what I can see, reluctant warriors who yearn to put down their guns and return to moisture farms on Tattooine.

lol lol

By the way, Lilo. You're spot-on about how people quickly change their postitions about war depending on who's sitting in the Oval Office. If this was Bush the liberals would be comparing him to Hitler, and the conservatives would be all for it. Flip-flop, anyone?

But it's no surprising. Unfortunately some people (maybe most people) need to identify with one side or the other. The lines have to be drawn for them because they're either too weak or too stupid to draw them for themselves. They're sheep who will tow the party line every single time. It's really kinda sad.


BINGO!! Bottom line is the U.S. has handled 9/11 very poorly. Bush screwed up at Tora Bora, and then he misled us into the disaster that was and is Iraq.
Bush and Obama have trampled on our civil liberties, and Obama was wrong to want to go into Syria, and completely off the tracks when he sent the issue to Congress. And now we are going to trust Putin? Please! If we were to have taken military action it should have been a few tomahawks and drones to take out Syria's airfields within a weeek of the gas attacks, and nothing more. No way do we need to get into another conflict over there.

I am sick of this thousand year war over which side really is the "true" faith if Islam. Fuck 'em all. Let them kill each other another thousand years. Maybe sooner or later they wll come to their senses, maybe not. If they mess with sreal, Isreal should get the green light. If they mess with us lob some bombs, but NO MORE WARS. BTW In hindsight we now see what a great Secretary of State Hilary was. Kerry is a bufoon. He would have been a terrible president.

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Originally Posted By: tiger84
Israel isnt this great army the media has potrayed they have been fighting with rock armed Palestinians for the past 50 years and still haven't wiped them out.Stop watching NBC or Fox news and start getting your info from the internet


Israel could have sent every last Palestinian to the great sandbox in the sky a long time ago. But they've shown the mercy to their enemies they'd never receive in return if their enemies could wipe them out. Don't mistake restraint for weakness.


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Israel could have sent every last Palestinian to the great sandbox in the sky a long time ago. But they've shown the mercy to their enemies they'd never receive in return if their enemies could wipe them out. Don't mistake restraint for weakness.


THIS.
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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: tiger84] #739661
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Originally Posted By: tiger84
LOL alot of people on this board dont know shit about world affairs.

If this was 5 years ago and we decided to attack any nation britian would of been the first to join and be our bitch.The world power is shifting the biggest threat is china who has has taken all the local jobs of all western countries and whos millions of citizens overpopulate these western countries and the Chinese government stays out of world affairs and then comes in takes more of the econimies

ASAD IS BACKED BY RUSSIA its not like Libya or iraq or egypt wre some rebel group is going to take over.Israel isnt this great army the media has potrayed they have been fighting with rock armed Palestinians for the past 50 years and still haven't wiped them out.Stop watching NBC or Fox news and start getting your info from the internet



it's an odd coincidence that Britain doesn't back us so suddenly

I hope the brits ain't holding a grudge against blackbama

the US needs to stay outta other countries business

it's gonna be fucked up when china/Russia/and a lot of muslim countries attack us

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: tiger84
LOL alot of people on this board dont know shit about world affairs.

If this was 5 years ago and we decided to attack any nation britian would of been the first to join and be our bitch.The world power is shifting the biggest threat is china who has has taken all the local jobs of all western countries and whos millions of citizens overpopulate these western countries and the Chinese government stays out of world affairs and then comes in takes more of the econimies

ASAD IS BACKED BY RUSSIA its not like Libya or iraq or egypt wre some rebel group is going to take over.Israel isnt this great army the media has potrayed they have been fighting with rock armed Palestinians for the past 50 years and still haven't wiped them out.Stop watching NBC or Fox news and start getting your info from the internet



it's an odd coincidence that Britain doesn't back us so suddenly

I hope the brits ain't holding a grudge against blackbama

the US needs to stay outta other countries business

it's gonna be fucked up when china/Russia/and a lot of muslim countries attack us



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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: tiger84
LOL alot of people on this board dont know shit about world affairs.

If this was 5 years ago and we decided to attack any nation britian would of been the first to join and be our bitch.The world power is shifting the biggest threat is china who has has taken all the local jobs of all western countries and whos millions of citizens overpopulate these western countries and the Chinese government stays out of world affairs and then comes in takes more of the econimies

ASAD IS BACKED BY RUSSIA its not like Libya or iraq or egypt wre some rebel group is going to take over.Israel isnt this great army the media has potrayed they have been fighting with rock armed Palestinians for the past 50 years and still haven't wiped them out.Stop watching NBC or Fox news and start getting your info from the internet



it's an odd coincidence that Britain doesn't back us so suddenly

I hope the brits ain't holding a grudge against blackbama

the US needs to stay outta other countries business

it's gonna be fucked up when china/Russia/and a lot of muslim countries attack us


Cook,

You are entitled to your opinions and your political views. You are more than welcomed to discuss and debate those opinions and views here on these boards. However I am going to ask you to please refrain from assigning racially themed names to anyone that you are discussing or debating with. Your name labeling in your post above of the President of The United States is totally uncalled for. Feel free to voice your displeasure with him and his policies if you may, but keep the racially themed nicknames off these boards.



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Re: US "Ready To Invade" another Country [Re: DE NIRO] #739985
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rewrite the constituition??

civil war??

creation of a new country??

regain our privacies and rights??

hmm seems like we should mind our own business and try to get our own joke of a country back on track, or find a solution to our numerous current problems.

it does suck when human rights are being violated, but we are in no condition to be sticking our noses in places we dont belong.. our country is falling apart.... FACT.

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IvyLeague actively suggesting genocide as a viable option ever for Israel to deal with the Palestinian issue is either an actively naive, stupid opinion or worse a fucking scary insight into his view of the world.

Killing thousands (millions?) of people would turn as Ivy suggested would pretty much make Israel into the pariah state overnight, even among Americans. Israel wouldn't consider this option for tactical reasons, nevermind you know that's goddamn insane.

Did this thread just abort common sense?

Originally Posted By: cookcounty

I hope the brits ain't holding a grudge against blackbama


What happened in Parliament was what would've happened in the U.S. Congress if not for the Russian deal. In the UK, there was no domestic or political support for Syria and was reflected as such in that vote. Before that deal, Obama was set to be rejected by Congress, which might've be the first time in our nation's history that an executive's request for war/military action was denied by the legislative body.

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I don't think Obama wanted to do anything. If he really wanted to do something, he wouldn't ask for congress' permission. A congress that doesn't do anything and is sure to go against the president is at least good for these times to get out of the corner he pretty much put himself there in the first place by setting a red line.

Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the rest didn't want war, but now don't want the negotiations either. It doesn't matter what this president does, they are against it, no matter how many times they have to change their positions.


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Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
I don't think Obama wanted to do anything. If he really wanted to do something, he wouldn't ask for congress' permission. A congress that doesn't do anything and is sure to go against the president is at least good for these times to get out of the corner he pretty much put himself there in the first place by setting a red line.

Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the rest didn't want war, but now don't want the negotiations either. It doesn't matter what this president does, they are against it, no matter how many times they have to change their positions.


It's funny to read the complaints of those who say that no matter what the president does Congress goes against it. Were they making the same complaints when the Democrat-run House of Representatives under Nancy Pelosi refused to go along with anything former President Bush said or did? Where were they then?

And by the way, maybe the House Republicans are against President Obama's policies because they disagree with his left-wing agenda of European-style socialism, punishing fines for those who don't want to purchase health insurance, businesses cutting hours for employees to 29 1/2 hours from 40 because of his Affordable Care Act, abortion extremism, and a foolish foreign policy that appeases Islamism.

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