That's a bit like saying World War II just caused the Germans to move operations to Bavaria, but in lieu of hard data it's just speculation how much they were diminshed.

I do remember the same FBI agent remarking that after GAMBAT and GREYLORD Oufit connected homicides dropped precipitously but I don't have the figures.

Not really. Outside of Chinatown & The Patch, & select parts of Rush St, where do they still have strongholds within city limits?

What I'm saying is that it was more of a blow than a simple geographic relocation.

BTW, Rush St. is pretty interesting. I won't get into it because unlike a lot of people on this forum I don't think it's right to slander potentially innocent people by associating them with organized crime.

But it is an interesting subject, both for things that are fairly widely known and some that are not so well known.

What louie has posted, besides being nothing new, doesn't support his exaggerated claims about the Outfit's current control of the Teamsters Union in Chicago.



My point is the O'Hare allegations are indicative of so much regarding the Chicago Outfit nowadays - i.e. the allegation of a mob-connection being obscure or inconclusive.



Dispensing union jobs - and they don't have to be "no show" - is one form of labor racketeering. And it seems to make up much of what is remaining in Chicago.



It says something that big mob cases like Family Secrets are becoming less and less common in Chicago.



What one needs to do is look at the evidence - particularly the Outfit cases in recent years - objectively. The whole picture, weighing it all in the balance. With no preconceived notions, agenda, or cherry picking. And, if one does that, they'll see your underlying theme about the Outfit still having Chicago in an "iron grip" is a bunch of hooey.

lol Jared you are such a little pencil-pusher!

LOL! Nail=head.

Ah yes, and you're an in-the-know, tough guy from Chicago who knows the streets.

(Then you woke up)

You raise an interesting point.

While I think it's possible that people know stuff because their long-dead uncles, etc., were affiliated, I find the likelihood of people, particualrly on this board, being in the know about current operations via word of mouth from any kind of reliable source in most cases absurd.

The idea that anyone who has any real clue of what illegal activity is going on sitting there at the bar talking about it to someone who would then go post it on the Internet is inhrenelty proposterous.

I remember reading a wire on Mike Sarno where when the caller even brought up another connected guy's name, he immediately hung up the f**king phone.

Anyone whose really cued in is going to be paranoid beyond belief and I would imagine these guys talk even to each other about things as little as possible, let alone their barbers, car mechanics etc.

That applies to two/three users here. Max.

It can go either way. How does someone like Chicago, posting on an internet forum, know so much about the Outfit and its structure and its dark secrets from 1960-1990? A lot of the info is not available just anywhere. Yet he knows...was he a street tough?

I was at a local bar with some friends having some beers and started talking to some of the other neighborhood guys and Outfit stuff came up. These guys knew quite a few of the names that have been mentioned in these threads and had stories about them...you'd be surprised at who knows who and what in these neighborhoods. Interesting stuff. And I'm the furthest thing from a street tough lol.

@funkster please excuse both of these "pencil pushers"/fanboys. It's the same thing over & over again with the both of them. Deep down, they wish they knew real gangsters.

Huron you accusing someone else of being a fanboy is hilarious. But maybe i am wrong and you are a real gangster because anyone from chicago can pretty much be considered connected right?

And don't get me wrong, not saying these guys were connected at all...just saying people know their neighborhoods and and know of the people in them.

It is funny I had this problem with so many different posters. Guys on here with over a post a day or 1000 in less than 6 months calling someones else and keyboard warrior, or bookworm fa***t, or whatever.

Hey Huron, which suburb are you from again?

And why don't you say who you know.

You don't need to name names. Just say "I know two made guys." Or "I know three cousins of made guys." etc.

Oh so your the guy who gets to tell everyone how often and how much people are allowed to post on here???

Where was this bar located? City or burbs?

I don't want names of bars just interested in area.

Thanks.

The Patch. I live about a block and a half from Grand and Ogden and the bar fairly close.

No I wasn't saying anything like that, I think its funny that those posters are the same ones who tell people who get their info from the net to get a life, I argee with what your saying about people being in the know and then chatting about it on the net.

Chicago/The Don's uncle was somebody, if I remember correctly. I'd never really heard of him. If I remember correctly from ANP there was some debate if he was actually 'made.'

Chuckie English?

Lol no thats who he lied about his father being when he used the handle "chicago". Supposedly his uncle is joe lombardi.

Sarcasm. Supposedly is the key word though lol.

Lol ya, hard to tell over the internet sometimes.

The only difference is he never claimed that on ANP. He was outed and in fact went ballistic over it, and other things, and was eventually thrown off the site.

I don't know the guy from Adam, nor do I want to, and I don't care who his relatives were, but he did know a ton about the Outfit. Him, Fosco and a few of the other extremely knowledgable posters were on the same page for most things for a really long time.

That site was hilarious in its heyday.

Oh, pipe down you whiny little shrimp. You've got a fucking henry hill quote as your signature. You're all fanboys basement dwellers who live vicariously through these goomba tough guys from the movies.

Don't try & pass your insecurities off on me. Doesn't work like that. Hell, you're still holding grudge over being clowned on by me like two months ago. For the love of tapdancing judas, let it go!

Agreed. The comments section for awhile was very informative. Has anyone figured out who Black Angelo was?

Still trying to save face for that "the Don" sociopath, eh? Pathetic LOL!

He was not Lombardi's (elmwood park reject) nephew. Again, if we told you who the fuck that shit head really, actually is, you'd slap yourselves even harder than you should have when you were first informed of the earth shattering news that he was in fact NOT the long lost son of Chuckie English (L O L !)

None of it was ever hard to tell either. It was always apparent that he was The Don all along.

Black Angelo was a middle aged gentleman from the Melrose park area that was a bit of an amateur Outfit historian. He was good for banter, even if literacy wasn't necessarily his strong point.

huron youve never clowned me or anybody else here. You do how ever clown your self with every ridicoulous post you make. I have quote from a fucking movie big deal. I have zero insecurities about myself. Get over yourself dude.