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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: IvyLeague] #727520
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I wouldn't be surprised either. 26th St. and Cicero are First Cousins just like Grand Ave and Elmwood Park.
To be honest, some of it has happened to a certain degree. Jimmy Inendino, who owns a successful trucking Company, was made into 26th St years ago. However, he seems to be connected with Cicero like Solly D.
The Carusos, Toots, Leo & Bruno are 26th St. by tradition and years, but when push comes to shove, they take orders from Cicero. All the other guys could be 26th St. or Cicero and it really wouldn't matter. Solly D. spends a lot of time up North in Lake County which is a lot farther away from Cicero than 26th St. is from Cicero.
I'm not saying they have merged. They are two different Crews, However, it would be a natural progression from what I've seen. Cicero is the Dominant Crew and 26th St. is their partner and Sub Dominant Crew.

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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: Chicago] #727521
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Originally Posted By: Chicago
I wouldn't be surprised either. 26th St. and Cicero are First Cousins just like Grand Ave and Elmwood Park.
To be honest, some of it has happened to a certain degree. Jimmy Inendino, who owns a successful trucking Company, was made into 26th St years ago. However, he seems to be connected with Cicero like Solly D.
The Carusos, Toots, Leo & Bruno are 26th St. by tradition and years, but when push comes to shove, they take orders from Cicero. All the other guys could be 26th St. or Cicero and it really wouldn't matter. Solly D. spends a lot of time up North in Lake County which is a lot farther away from Cicero than 26th St. is from Cicero.
I'm not saying they have merged. They are two different Crews, However, it would be a natural progression from what I've seen. Cicero is the Dominant Crew and 26th St. is their partner and Sub Dominant Crew.


I apologise for asking this if it's already been answered. Is there any chance you could produce an outfit crew bosses chart, from as far back as you can remember?

I know this is a ridiculous request, but i'm mainly referring to the top 3,as you've said!

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: Camarel] #727525
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Outfit Hierarchy 1957 to 1966:

Paul Ricca, Taylor St.
Sam Giancana, Taylor St.
Tony Accardo, Elmwood Park

Murray Humphreys, Non-Italians
Sam Battaglia, Taylor St.
Fiore Bucciere, Taylor St.
Ross Prio, North Side
Frank LaPorte, Chicago Heights
Joey Auippa, Cicero
Jack Cerone, Elmwood Park



Outfit Hierarchy 1969-1986:

Tony Accardo, Elmwood Park
Joey Auippa, Cicero
Jack Cerone, Elmwood Park

Gus Alex, Non-Italians
Joe Ferriola, Cicero
John DiFronzo, Elmwood Park
Joey Lombardo, Grand Ave
Turk Torello, 26th St. (Angelo LaPietra 1979)
Ross Prio, North Side (DiBella 1972, Solano 1976)
Al Pilotto, Chicago Heights (Al Tocco 1983)



Outfit Hierarchy 1986 to 1992:

Tony Accardo, Elmwood Park
Sam Carlisi, Cicero (Joey Auippa Prison)
John DiFronzo, Elmwood Park (Jack Cerone Prison)

Gus Alex, Non-Italians
Joe Ferriola, Cicero (Rocky Infelice 1989)
Joe Andriacchi, Elmwood Park
Vince Solano, North Side
Al Tocco, Chicago Heights
Mooch Eboli, Grand Ave (Joey Lombardo Prison)
Jimmy LaPietra, 26th St. (Angelo LaPietra Prison)

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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: Chicago] #727537
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Originally Posted By: Chicago
Outfit Hierarchy 1957 to 1966:

Paul Ricca, Taylor St.
Sam Giancana, Taylor St.
Tony Accardo, Elmwood Park

Murray Humphreys, Non-Italians
Sam Battaglia, Taylor St.
Fiore Bucciere, Taylor St.
Ross Prio, North Side
Frank LaPorte, Chicago Heights
Joey Auippa, Cicero
Jack Cerone, Elmwood Park



Outfit Hierarchy 1969-1986:

Tony Accardo, Elmwood Park
Joey Auippa, Cicero
Jack Cerone, Elmwood Park

Gus Alex, Non-Italians
Joe Ferriola, Cicero
John DiFronzo, Elmwood Park
Joey Lombardo, Grand Ave
Turk Torello, 26th St. (Angelo LaPietra 1979)
Ross Prio, North Side (DiBella 1972, Solano 1976)
Al Pilotto, Chicago Heights (Al Tocco 1983)



Outfit Hierarchy 1986 to 1992:

Tony Accardo, Elmwood Park
Sam Carlisi, Cicero (Joey Auippa Prison)
John DiFronzo, Elmwood Park (Jack Cerone Prison)

Gus Alex, Non-Italians
Joe Ferriola, Cicero (Rocky Infelice 1989)
Joe Andriacchi, Elmwood Park
Vince Solano, North Side
Al Tocco, Chicago Heights
Mooch Eboli, Grand Ave (Joey Lombardo Prison)
Jimmy LaPietra, 26th St. (Angelo LaPietra Prison)


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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727539
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Wow this thread came alive last night, eh? Lol. The whole pirpose of these boards is for debate and insight. Personal Insults are soooooo uncalled for..Sooner or later just have to hope that certain ppl run out of IP addresses I guess...

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727556
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Interesting talking about all the current crews, though, how there are virtually no street busts. No bookmakers, no loan sharks, no Outfit-connected brothels.

If the millions were really pouring in you would expect to see something pop up at least once in a while.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: Skinny] #727590
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
^^^^ to comment on the machines.... If you look at his expense sheet, hes spending like 180k a year in labor.... At first i thought repairs, but thats a different spot. For you ppl who still are lost HES SKIMMING. So while he claims 110k or whatever on his 1040 hes making about 300k, idk what he kicked up, dont know who that was/position whatever. Not that bad imo, maybe i wandered onto a forum full of billionaires. Machines are always big. Not as much with the young hip crowd... More older guys or blue collar guys. Which is why if they are in a bar its gonna be a dive or a pool hall, bowling alley... In jersey they are bigger in gas stations/corner stores and cafes. Cafes are popular places to like red said line up a rooms wall with them bc they dont have a 300,000 dollar liquor liscense to lose when they get caught. Big in social clubs... They used to have special just machine clubs that looked like those video arcade places they legalized in fla. Im sure you probly had a dozen of so in your area red haha

Skinny the money in machines is in credit imho the legalized machines help out the ilegal one cos the old ppls can't afford to keep droppin quarters, believe it or not many of those spanish bodegas (little stores) have a machine in them.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727607
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What I don't get is this need to make a 50 year ol guy wearing italian tags driving cadillac. most the ppl I know are to old like myself who gets up a couple a times at night to use the batroom. It's thier grandkids that run them machines. youse remember them bubble gum machines in the 90's drop a quarter get a piece of gum. This puerto rican that know makes $100-200 a day on just one machine hes got in his bodega not bad for a days woik. an the kids run and fix the machine. why please tell me do I need an ol plug fir? theres is not one outfit guy here in chigago that is lookin to open the books for some middle aged fart livin off a pension.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727611
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I don't totally understand your post but I don't think there is any reliable evidence that Chicago has made anybody in years.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727664
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All in all a DAMN GOOD THREAD...:) Apart from Huron/Riccobene's/Elmwood Parker insulting people...Chicago was as informative as ever ( Thank you, Sir )...:), Ivy again did a splendid job of asking leave to file his appearance on behalf of the Federal Government ( Thank you, Sir)....:). I think you both are right in saying that Cicero & 26th Street will eventually merge. Someone brought up how in some ways this has already started to happen. I also feel that no matter how "White Collar" Johnny has made Elmwood Park, don't think for a second that he and his guys don't have plenty of guys independent of Cicero to call upon if muscle were to be needed.

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@johnnynonos

why would u think that criminals stopped being criminals?

i'm sure they've made some people within the last 10 years



@ivyleague

do you have any clue how many communities are on the southside?

it's too much shit going on in the southburbs alone for that crew to evaporate

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12th St. Correct. Albie Vena, Porky etc.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727693
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Spina is a grand ave guy as well. Do you know when Spano gets out Chicago?

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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: Chicago] #727697
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Originally Posted By: Chicago
12th St. Correct. Albie Vena, Porky etc.


How old are those guys, though? 60s at least?

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727712
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Nicky I think Spano is already out and has been out( not to be confused with Spina)...@Johnny, Porky is like in his 70's but Vena is in his 50's. @Chicago, AGREED !!! That's what those Grand Avenue guys are for nowadays I think...To keep the wolves away..

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: cookcounty] #727729
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty

@ivyleague

do you have any clue how many communities are on the southside?

it's too much shit going on in the southburbs alone for that crew to evaporate



Well, if history is any guide, we've seen the Outfit go from 6 or 7 crews, down to 4, and now apparently 2 or 3 crews. So I don't find it completely out of the realm of possibility that eventually Cicero and 26th Street could become a single crew.


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Originally Posted By: cookcounty

@ivyleague

do you have any clue how many communities are on the southside?

it's too much shit going on in the southburbs alone for that crew to evaporate



Well, if history is any guide, we've seen the Outfit go from 6 or 7 crews, down to 4, and now apparently 2 or 3 crews. So I don't find it completely out of the realm of possibility that eventually Cicero and 26th Street could become a single crew.



so you don't think anybody is gonna get made in that area?

even though there are more than plenty Italians in those areas

all it takes is one knucklehead to find three knuckleheads to find 9 knuckleheads

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
so you don't think anybody is gonna get made in that area?

even though there are more than plenty Italians in those areas

all it takes is one knucklehead to find three knuckleheads to find 9 knuckleheads


New guys could still be made but not enough to keep up with those who die off. Again, there's a reason the Outfit has 25-30 members today, while it was estimated to have about 70 back in the late 1990's.


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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
so you don't think anybody is gonna get made in that area?

even though there are more than plenty Italians in those areas

all it takes is one knucklehead to find three knuckleheads to find 9 knuckleheads


New guys could still be made but not enough to keep up with those who die off. Again, there's a reason the Outfit has 25-30 members today, while it was estimated to have about 70 back in the late 1990's.



according to credible posters the outfit has historically been smaller than 70 guys

they could make 10 fucking people next week and we'd never hear about it

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
according to credible posters the outfit has historically been smaller than 70 guys


OK, let's go with the list of 47 names of Outfit made members the FBI released to the local media back in the early 2000's (if I remember right). Either way, there's been a definite decline in membership, as well as overall size.

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they could make 10 fucking people next week and we'd never hear about it


Sorry, I don't go by hypotheticals.


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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
according to credible posters the outfit has historically been smaller than 70 guys


OK, let's go with the list of 47 names of Outfit made members the FBI released to the local media back in the early 2000's (if I remember right). Either way, there's been a definite decline in membership, as well as overall size.

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they could make 10 fucking people next week and we'd never hear about it


Sorry, I don't go by hypotheticals.



saying that you don't go by hypotheticals is a major contradiction

thinking nobody gets made is a theory

they don't need 70 guys......all they need is a good 30-40 now-a-days


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So, let's see. Who am I going to believe? Cook County, an Outfit Fanboy or the F.B.I. who had John DiFronzo so scared that he quit years ago? Boy, that's a difficult decision.
I think I'll go with the F.B.I. who estimated 28 made guys and the Outfit being divided into two sections, the North and the South. From inside information, personal observation and the F.B.I., I would agree with that assessment.

Cook County, you don't know anything about Giancana or Taylor St. Absolutely nothing. My Father was Chuckie English. You don't have a fucking clue as to how Giancana or any of his men came up in the Outfit.
You're also a 'Hothead' as proven by your comments during the Zimmerman trial.

You also know nothing about the Outfit in 2013. All you are talking about are theories based on the past. I'll be honest with you, not only are you annoying, but you're insulting on top of it and you do it on purpose for attention.

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty

saying that you don't go by hypotheticals is a major contradiction

thinking nobody gets made is a theory

they don't need 70 guys......all they need is a good 30-40 now-a-days



When did I say nobody gets made? I said they likely won't be able to make enough guys to stave off attrition.


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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727812
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Its possible the outfit can merge into one crew being ran like a single family in the future, I guess less guys the top boss have to see


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Originally Posted By: Chicago
So, let's see. Who am I going to believe? Cook County, an Outfit Fanboy or the F.B.I. who had John DiFronzo so scared that he quit years ago? Boy, that's a difficult decision.
I think I'll go with the F.B.I. who estimated 28 made guys and the Outfit being divided into two sections, the North and the South. From inside information, personal observation and the F.B.I., I would agree with that assessment.

Cook County, you don't know anything about Giancana or Taylor St. Absolutely nothing. My Father was Chuckie English. You don't have a fucking clue as to how Giancana or any of his men came up in the Outfit.
You're also a 'Hothead' as proven by your comments during the Zimmerman trial.

You also know nothing about the Outfit in 2013. All you are talking about are theories based on the past. I'll be honest with you, not only are you annoying, but you're insulting on top of it and you do it on purpose for attention.



giancana's reign was kinda short lived

in order to take over the outfit in those days you'd have to be very violent

I don't think guys in Chicago drank themselves silly after taylor street fell off

you even posted that taylor street guys took over other areas

the outfit moved on after paul ricca and they definetly moved along with giancana

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Giancana succeeded Ricca. Ricca semi-retired and Giancana took over as Boss of the West Side Crew which became known as the Taylor St Crew.
He didn't kill anybody and take over like John Gotti. You are really mixed up.

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Found this on ANP today.

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Please note that I refer to both men as ‘alleged’ killers, unlike in previous articles when I flat out called Outfit Boss John DiFronzo a killer, because Amabile and my father are deceased and therefore unable to defend themselves.


God Fosco is a tool.

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The FBI report says there were 70 made guys in Chicago in the late 1990's. Does anyone have a list of those guys? Then we can work backwards and mark off the guys who have died or are doing life. From there, add any guys who are known to have been made since then. There's your magic number.

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It's not that complicated. The FBI said 25-30 several times around Family Secrets. The only credible argument that that wasn't the case was Nick Calabrese reportedly identifying 60 made guys, but we found a Chuck Goudie report when he qualified that by saying "...many of them still out on the streets." Meaning Nick had likely identified, in the ealy 2000s when he flipped, 60 made guys total--living, dead, in prison. The FBI figure of 25-30 was released around 2007, so later anyway.

Facto in everyone dead or in prison from the 28 number since 2007 and you the likely looking at low-mid 20s.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
It's not that complicated. The FBI said 25-30 several times around Family Secrets. The only credible argument that that wasn't the case was Nick Calabrese reportedly identifying 60 made guys, but we found a Chuck Goudie report when he qualified that by saying "...many of them still out on the streets." Meaning Nick had likely identified, in the ealy 2000s when he flipped, 60 made guys total--living, dead, in prison. The FBI figure of 25-30 was released around 2007, so later anyway.

Facto in everyone dead or in prison from the 28 number since 2007 and you the likely looking at low-mid 20s.


Would Nick Calabrese or any soldier know every made guy in the Outfit? Didn't he have testimony where he was at events (Murders, etc) with people he didn't know at the time?

Not trying to be a fan boy or trying to say there are 100 made guys. Just asking an honest question.

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