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Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: Skinny] #724633
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
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I think u read somewhere that the Chin was a consigliere at some point in the 70's

Does anyone know what were his income drivers that made him such a big earner

He really was one of the top gangster in NY as you never heard a peep about him yet he was such a money powerhouse . His strength is still being felt today on the genovese family today IMO


Lots of dope. Put the dope money on the street. Lots of debts and lots of favors
owed. He was a master politician. Just like the men he was schooled by and the ones who have succeeded him. He was a master manipulator, something he learned from vito. He could create friction between two crews if he didnt trust them. Unions/construction, he more inherited thru his crew. Not saying he was a slouch, just that wasnt his thing. He was a natural leader and had more experience and lessons than anyone else. Heavy fucking hitter too. They talk like gotti or casso was trigger happy but look how many ppl chin took out.



Skinny, was the dope dealing early on in his career only? I don't remember any guys close to him later on that were involved with it


Until the mid 80s as far as i know. Most the guys he put into that business are straightened out guys now. Mostly into the trades/union shit. Their idea of retirement haha


Very interesting stuff. seems like his "deal dope & die" edict was a way to suppress competition.

Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: mulberry] #724725
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Originally Posted By: mulberry
We know about him from the Frank Costello hit then the drug conviction from the late 1950's to the early 1960's. We know about him taking over as boss and using Fat Tony Salerno as his front boss in the early 1980's. What did he do in between that made him rise up to the top of the Genovese when there were so many other capable guys in the family?


Cafaro testified that much of Gigante's power (as a captain) came from the size of his crew, which was said to be rather large. He also said that, in addition to taking over Eboli's loansharking operations, Gigante's crew controlled the numbers operations from Sullivan Street up to 14th Street. The crew also controlled the Saint Anthony Feast.

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
He controlled alot of unions in the contruction and garbage hauling industries. He controled the javits convention center which was a cash cow, the fulton fish market, was involved in drug trafficking, the concrete industry and ofcourse the traditional mob rackets of extortion, gambling loansharking and bookmaking.


Chin's crew had their interests in these businesses but the Javits Center was more the 116th crew. They were also the family's main crew in the construction trades.

Originally Posted By: GoldenEagle
This guy was amazing. We know almost nothing about his rise to power. One thing I have wondered about is when he really became boss of the family. It is usually said he became boss after Lombardo retired in 1981. However we have testimony that he ordered the murders of at least four Philly mobsters in 1980 to avenge the death of Angelo Bruno. Not just anyone can order the murders of four members from another family. My question is, could he have been the boss earlier then has always been thought. There are several sources that say Lombardo never wanted to be boss. I find it highly probable he may have been calling the shots earlier then 1981.


The Genovese family's leadership succession during that time has been one of the most debated topics on these forums over the years. Vincent Cafaro testified that Vito Genovese turned the family over to Philip Lombardo when he went to prison. Chin was a captain during this time. Fast-forward to 1972 - Lombardo was the boss, Tommy Eboli the underboss, and Tony Salerno the consigliere. Lombardo wanted to stay in the background however, so Eboli fronted as the boss of the family. In other words, Lombardo was the official boss but Eboli was the acting boss. After Eboli's death, Eli Zaccardi was the acting/front boss for Lombardo. By 1974, Lombardo was the boss, Frank Tieri was the underboss (but also the acting/front boss), and Salerno the consigliere. By 1976, Lombardo was still the boss, Zaccardi was the underboss, and Antonio Ferro the consigliere. In 1978, Dom Alongi replaced Ferro as consigliere, followed by Bobby Manna in 1980. During this time, Salerno had been the acting/front boss for Lombardo. Of course, Salerno had his stroke in 1981. Cafaro said that, while Salerno was in NYU hospital, he was visited by Chin, Santora, and Manna at different times. Lombardo was also ill and hospitalized. It was decided by these three, as well as Lombardo, that Chin would take over as the official boss of the family. After he recovered, Salerno resumed his role as acting/front boss but was now doing it for Chin instead of Lombardo. Lombardo went into at least semi-retirement, though later bugged conversations seemed to insinuate that he still held some influence.

While I'm not sure where it originated, the idea of Chin being the consigliere at one point is a mistake. In 1976, Sammy Gravano had a disagreement with Vincent DiNapoli involving the construction business. Gravano met with Chin at the Triangle Social Club. Gigante was still a captain at this point and Gravano still a soldier. At the meeting, Gravano's captain, Toto Auriello, introduced a man named "Dom" as a captain. Chin corrected Auriello and said Dom (not Chin, himself) was the consigliere. The "Dom" mentioned was probably Dom Alongi. Now, there is obviously a slight date discrepancy, as this meeting was said to have taken place in 1976 but Cafaro said that Alongi didn't become the consigliere until 1978. There was likely a mistake in the timeline on one hand or the other.

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
In his book Leonetti said Tieri wanted to take over Caponigro's north jersey rackets but he said he thought Chin was more concerned about getting philly's vote on the commission. Before Bruno was hit Bobby Manna asked Scarfo something like "if something was to happen to Bruno where would the philly family stand?" And Scarfo told him they would be "una familia" with the Genovese. Manna replied "my friends will be very happy to hear that". It's in Leonetti's book.

According to Leonetti, Scarfo told him "Lefty (Bruno) has some real trouble heading his way and when it does he ain't gonna know what the fuck hit him".

Leonetti contradicts himself on who the boss of the Genovese was when Bruno was taken out. In one part of his book he's talking about how Caponigro thought he was dealing with the boss of the Genovese when he asked Tieri for the greenlight on Bruno but Leonetti said the real boss at that time was Chin. Then in another part of the book he said Chin didn't become boss until later. So who the hell knows, i'm not so sure Phil really knew himself.


Leonetti may have gotten a little mixed up, this whole Bruno/Philadelphia thing was over a number of years, and Tieri was the acting boss and Chin the official boss at different points during it.

It's interesting that Phil Leonetti talks about the Genovese family plotting against Angelo Bruno early on. George Fresolone said one of the reasons Bruno was killed by Anthony Caponigro was because he was letting the NY families into Atlantic City. Of course, the beef between Funzi Tieri and Caponigro over the $2 million gambling operation in North Jersey, originally testified about by Tommy DelGiorno, is well known. George Anastasia wrote that Tieri saw Bruno's death as an opportunity to take over Caponigro's North Jersey gambling operations, apparently knowing what would befall Caponigro after the fact, as well as weaken the Philadelphia family's hold on Atlantic City. Obviously other top Genovese leaders, besides Tieri, were involved in all this, including Chin. Bobby Manna's role is no surprise, as he was close to Scarfo. And we know that, after Bruno's death and Scarfo's eventual succession, the Genovese got a cut from the money he was taking out of HEREU Local 54. Tony Salerno was sitting along side Chin and Manna at he meeting where Scarfo was installed as the new boss and Peter Casella was banished to Florida. The 6 Philadelphia guys Leonetti testified Chin had ordered dead were Caponigro, Alfred Salerno, Johnny "Keys" Simone, Frank Sindone, Frank Narducci, and Rocco Marinucci. Again, several of these top Genovese guys had a hand in this, not just Tieri or Chin.


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Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: Chicago] #724760
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Originally Posted By: Chicago
Eboli was related to Louie (The Mooch) Eboli in the Outfit. Louie was a made guy who belonged to Lombardo. (Grand Ave)

Chicago always dealt with the Genovese Family. What a powerhouse they were in the old da

In the 1980's, Gigante hated Gotti. He hated that Gotti raised his hand against a Boss who also happened to be Gigante's partner.

Gotti was the worst thing that ever happened to the very powerful Gambino Family. Carlo Gambino probably cursed Gotto from his grave.


there was an fbi wiretap where cleveland boss john tronolone was acting as a messenger between tony salerno and jackzero aka jackey cerone regarding vegas casino mogul steve wynn blocking certain deals in vegas. chicago was upset with wynn and wanted fat tony to use his contacts to pressure wynn to back off

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Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: mulberry] #928637
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The Chin was probably the best to ever do it. He starts out as an amateur boxer being managed by Tommy Ryan. Then serves as a driver / bodyguard for Genovese. While working for Vito I assume he was mentored in the dope game. The boss takes a liking to him and he gets the Costello contract. Fast forward two years and he is jailed alongside his boss for Conspiracy to distribute heroin. After completing his sentence he assumes the role of captain of the Greenwich Village crew. Which so happens to have been the biggest and most profitable in the Family. Throughout the late 60's and 70's we can only speculate what business investments he had on the streets. Or what his take was from these ventures. By 81' he is officially declared the Boss. Aside from the embarrassment of Pete Savino he held a tight reign!

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Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: leftygun62] #928642
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Vito was fond of Chin because Vincent was willing to get dirty. In 1956 Genovese family crap games were being stuck up and the players were being robbed. Louis Musto , James Rocereto , Michael Langone were identified as the persons responsible. All three were brutally killed. Musto was incinerated in a basement furnace while he was still alive. Rocereto and Langone were found inside a car trunk on the lower East Side. Their bodies were in pieces as both were axed to death.


wise old owl sat on a oak , the more he heard the less he spoke , the less he spoke the more he heard , wasn't that a wise ole bird.
Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: mulberry] #928729
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downtown you think chins brother mario became a capo before him since he never went to prison in the 60tys and he was a few yrs older. read he made fortune in the garbage. he must be close to 100.

Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: mulberry] #928748
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pmac , Chin was a Capo first, The Greenwich Village crew went from Tony Bender to Dom the Sailor. Chin then became Capo of the GV crew after Dom the Sailor , but only after Vinnie (Bruno) Mauro's protest that he get the slot did him no good. Mario (Mars) would later go on to have a crew in the northern suberbs. think he is 96 now.


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Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: downtown] #928751
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Originally Posted by downtown
pmac , Chin was a Capo first, The Greenwich Village crew went from Tony Bender to Dom the Sailor. Chin then became Capo of the GV crew after Dom the Sailor , but only after Vinnie (Bruno) Mauro's protest that he get the slot did him no good. Mario (Mars) would later go on to have a crew in the northern suberbs. think he is 96 now.


Are you sure Tommy Ryan Eboli didn't take over the GV crew after Tony Bender?

Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: mulberry] #928752
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dom the sailor guy was in the wmob wire tap sieries between fitzy and that guy frankie condo im pretty sure. frankie condo would go visit him in florida and cutt his toe nails cause he was a diabetic. talk about a good friend. he was once the consig to i think. wasnt he also busted at the little applalchian meeting in queens with gambino and the bosses from florida. wonder where he stood with tommy eboli getting whacked.

Re: Gigante in the 1960's - 1970's [Re: mulberry] #928754
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pmac , Frankie (Ubatz) Condo would trim Dom (Fat Dom) Alongi toe nail's due to poor health. Fat Dom was at La Stella. Fat Dom was born in New Orleans and was nephew to Carlos Marcello.


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Very interesting stuff. seems like his "deal dope & die" edict was a way to suppress competition.[/quote]

Heroin dealing was very much controlled by a Family. The Family could not have members dealing H on their own. To dangerous. Specific crews/members specialized in handing the distribution of it.


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thnks dt. lotta doms in chins village crews.

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