Are any of the truly INFAMOUS crews of the day still around? Any remnance of the Robert's Lounge guys; DeMeo's Gemini Lounge crew; Motion Lounge Crew etc.???

Are there any guys on the street today running the old crews? Or are there any remnants from the original group of guys still operating today?

The genevese 116th street crew was run by trigger mike coppola and later fat tony salerno is now one of the most powerful crew in the family being run by barney bellomo.

What's the state of the Triangle crew? Last Capo of record I recall was Baldy Dom, and he passed away in the early nineties. Who took over after?

Interesting. I didn't know Barney was running a crew. I thought he'd been elevated to top echelon.

He may very will be but the hierarchy of the genevese family isnt something we can speak definatively on, i mean one of the last known hierarchal charts showed a ruling panel with tino fiumaro(who was dead) and 2 other unknown guys. What im saying is barneys position since he got out of prison isnt exactly clear however i believe he is the last known official capo of that crew.

Remember, Salerno ran that crew and many people think he was boss, or street boss at worst.

Those Genovese are really a different breed. The way I read the boards it seems like this in the tri state area:

3rd tier: Colombo; Jersey family

2nd: Lucchese's, Gambino's, Bonnano's

1st: Genovese's

That's crazy (given similar hiring pools, government pressure, etc) that they're light years ahead of their 4 counterparts when it comes to sustainability.

Your listings are pretty much right except that there is a huge gap between the colombos and the decalvecantes. Although there the smallest and weakest of the five families, there number of members, earning capacity and overall activity far outdoes the jersey boys.

After Canterino died in 1993 the crew was split between Dominick Cirillo and Mario Gigante.



It would be the Genovese #1, with the Gambinos a strong #2. From there it is a big drop off to the three smaller New York families. And after them is another big drop off to a family like the DeCavalcantes.

Echoing Ivy, It seems there are basically three tiers among the 10 American Mafia Groups that are presently left in 2013.
Tier 1) Genovese, Gambino
Tier 2) Lucchese, Bonnano Colombo
Tier 3) New Jersey, Chicago, New England, Philadelphia, Detroit

Side note: Chicago would be much stronger if DiFronzo had not retreated several years ago.

I'd differentiate between the Luchese's a tier above the Bonanno's and Columbo's.

The Columbo's have been in disarray for two and a half decades, the Bonanno's for 1. The Luchese's still have street respect, union influence and relative stability since Daidone in 04.

I also think their strong foothold in NJ give them a distinct advantage over the B's n C's whom have almost none.

PS: Is it 'Luchese' or 'Lucchese' ?!?!??

It's spelled Lucchese. I'm not sure if the Lucchese family should be above the Bonnano's & The Colombo's. One of the other excellent New York posters would know better than me.

In the old days, Chicago always dealt with the Powerhouse Genovese Family. Also, Years ago, the Outfit top echelon Bosses hated the Bonnano Family mainly because of Joe Bonnano.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bonnano try and kill one or two of the other Bosses in New York? Isn't that what the 'Bananas' War was all about in the 1960's?

Lastly, Arizona was considered Outfit Territory. Chicago didn't like Bonnano planting his flag in Arizona. That I do remember.

Yes bonnano conspired with the colombo family(then the profaci family)to murder carlo gambino and tommy lucchese. The contract was given to profaci capo joe colombo who instead of killing gambino and lucchese went and told them the plan. As punishment they made bonnano retire and appointed some1 else as head of the family. But bonnano came back with his son and recruited some guys that were still loyal to him and tried to take back the family. Thats how the so called "bannana spilt" started. I know nevada was considered outfit territory but i had no idea arizona was to.

That's the old story of what happened, but the evidence points to Magliocco conspiring to kill Gambino and Lucchese. The Bonannos were accused of it but they had no involvement in it. The division in the Bonannos started when Magaddino started supporting Gaspare DiGregorio to take over as boss after the Bonannos were accused of the conspiracy.

Yes. Thank you!

I´ve mentioned this several times on here but it´s like talking to a freaking wall.

O ok ive never heard that version thanks for schooling me. It makes sense bc now that i think about it wasnt it just assumed bannano was involved bc people thought magliocco couldnt have done by himself?