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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: OldSmoke] #720467
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Originally Posted By: OldSmoke
Their boss is a zip and most of their upper echelons are zips.


The vast majority of the Gambino family's captains are Italian-Americans.


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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #720657
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I can only think of Cefalu, John Gambino, Cali and Conte that are zips with high rankings.

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #720662
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cali i believe is american born, conte i think is not a skip, for me a zip is someone born in italy..

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: bronx] #720665
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Originally Posted By: bronx
cali i believe is american born, conte i think is not a skip, for me a zip is someone born in italy..


Yeah your right Cali was born in the states but i'm pretty sure i've read somewhere that Conte was born in Sicily.

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: Camarel] #720712
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conte was born in sicily

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: NickyEyes1] #720894
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Gotti was a terrible Boss. The best thing about him were his beautiful colorful ties and sharp looking suits. A very good dresser. Terrible Boss. Didn't know anything about who was doing what which is very common in New York. As he was struggling to try and understand all the extortion he was supposed to collect from different individuals, the F.B.I. was listening and learning step by step with him. He would have never been a Boss in Chicago. Never.

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: bronx] #721120
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Originally Posted By: bronx
conte was born in sicily


Thanks for the confirmation lol

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721367
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Johnny Gotti biggest mistake was letting in that siggy Sammy the bull into the top echelons, Scarfo told crazy Phil never trust EM siggies. Among (most) wise guys this is a told you so mentality. Everything has a purpose Gotti was not a siggy and so he didn't rat Gravano on the other hand was a siggy and hey " I told you so"...
Book "mafia prince" Phil leonitti

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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721373
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My opinion: hell no. He was a disaster, at least for the mob..


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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: Sonny_Black] #721586
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
My opinion: hell no. He was a disaster, at least for the mob..

I know... However at the same time you gotta explain why Gotti got there! What the hell are they paying you for?
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You are better open your mouth and start giving me ideas, bits of info, opinions
is the mentality of some of the buttons ppl have a need to know and understand why. Cos you don't want some of these guys to start with having a good day.
Johnny had mnemonic memory fuddagetaboitit could recall names dates, faces anything a must have in the life. Johnny even knew the priminster of Canada http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/07/gambino-rat-and-teflon-don-adviser.html that's called contacts. Johnny had a genius level iq www.physicsforums.com › PF Lounge › General Discussion‎.
there are my reasons for his success.

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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: red] #721588
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Originally Posted By: red
Johnny Gotti biggest mistake was letting in that siggy Sammy the bull into the top echelons, Scarfo told crazy Phil never trust EM siggies. Among (most) wise guys this is a told you so mentality. Everything has a purpose Gotti was not a siggy and so he didn't rat Gravano on the other hand was a siggy and hey " I told you so"...
Book "mafia prince" Phil leonitti


Why do you call Gravano a siggy? What is a siggy? Care to explain?

Originally Posted By: red


Johnny had a genius level iq www.physicsforums.com › PF Lounge › General Discussion‎.



What exactly can be found on this site? You need to be a member to read the posts right? Could you copy and paste the message?


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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721598
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red are you italian?

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721714
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Johnny had to assemble his crew together for weekly meetings to keep them from plotting against him everybody knows this to be true! Remember Sammy the bull was anti-social if you looked at him in the restaurant for to long he pull up to your table and ax you if there's a problem. He consented to those weekly meetings to keep his paranoia in check, they didn't have those weekly meetings for the fun of it. I plead with you guys contacts are new thing$. As for his intelligence here are but a few of Johnny's ideas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoTK1o2-QQ4 2:02

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721726
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red, why would that stop plots?

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721730
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Becos gaspipe was on his ass, Casso hated big Paulie and kept calling Johnny talking about how big Paulie was gonna whack him. He didn't tell Johnny that Paulie was greedy, Casso told him that Paulie was gonna whack him "Do or die"! Then when Johnny whacked big Paulie, Casso said "would you look at dat, they whacked the boss". Casso then puts Lil Al in charge to take care of Johnny. You couldn't trust anybody. The only thing that could be done at that time was to keep an eye on everybody. How do you do that by bringing them together find out what they're up to.

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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: red] #721749
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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721750
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Gotti was not a smart boss. If he had been, he would have layed very low, and let Gravano and Locasico run things while he stayed in background. Him being out front and holding weekly meetings even though he knew media would be camped out in front of social club hurt him and everyone around him.

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: Camarel] #721751
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Originally Posted By: Camarel


What's this? That's a sick avator


Random Poster:"I'm sorry I didn't go to an Ivy-league school like you"

"Ah I actually I didn't. It's a nickname the feds gave the
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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Originally Posted By: Camarel


What's this? That's a sick avator


http://www.vosizneias.com/23726/2008/12/...s-anti-semitic/

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: HairyKnuckles] #721754
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Why do you call Gravano a siggy? What is a siggy? Care to explain?


A sicilian. According to Leonetti, him and Scarfo used the term a lot but i never heard it used before i read Leonetti's book.

I think Scarfo and Leonetti's family were Neapolitan and i guess they don't trust sicilians.

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
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Why do you call Gravano a siggy? What is a siggy? Care to explain?


A sicilian. According to Leonetti, him and Scarfo used the term a lot but i never heard it used before i read Leonetti's book.

I think Scarfo and Leonetti's family were Neapolitan and i guess they don't trust sicilians.


I see. Cheers!


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Scarfo is calabrese

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Originally Posted By: Cbronx
Scarfo is calabrese


Calabrese? Oh well, i was close. Thanks Cbronx.

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: Giancarlo] #721787
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You guys check out a scam called the "kosher nostra scam", ever heard of sholam weiss? Sholam Weiss was a contact of Johhny.

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: Giancarlo] #721791
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Why do you call Gravano a siggy? What is a siggy? Care to explain?


A sicilian. According to Leonetti, him and Scarfo used the term a lot but i never heard it used before i read Leonetti's book.

I think Scarfo and Leonetti's family were Neapolitan and i guess they don't trust sicilians.


Scarfo said that among the siggies
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there was a lot of talk centered around beautiful women, automobiles, homes and parties. For them everything was quick and easy, that they lacked vision.

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721854
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red...but i still don't know how coming around a few times a week for a few hours stops plots..he didn't give polygraphs

Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: bronx] #721896
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Originally Posted By: bronx
red...but i still don't know how coming around a few times a week for a few hours stops plots..he didn't give polygraphs


Because that's the Italian way of doing things if you wanna get to know them you have to come by and stay for awhile eat some pasta, drink Grappa. They have to be 100% certain that you're there visiting them not for your own benefit but because you're their friend regardless of the circumstances kinda like a marriage in riches or in poverty that you'll never leave. Johnny had a memory of everything that you said and if you differed from what you had said in any detail you have a lot explaining to do. Johnny didn't need a polygraph he had other ways to get the truth outta you. Casso hired mafia cops Eppolito and Caracappa to kill Johnny however not just anybody could meet John Gotti it had to be done through mob emissaries and if you did meet him in person someone would have to speak for you, this made it hard for Eppolito and Caracappa to get close to him so they needed a contact within the Gambinos someone who would change sides against Gotti. But believe me when I tell you wouldn't leave the clubhouse if they suspected that you were a traitor. They could tell by your facial reactions, and body language or if you were to quiet and didn't wanna talk with anybody just kinda all to yourself. They'd know that something was wrong, remember Johnny said they're (FBI) gonna come after me anyway it doesn't matta what I do.

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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721900
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I think that the opposite is true. To prevent your Capos from plotting together against you,you keep them separate from each other.That way if two or three Capos from different areas are seen meeting together and the Boss finds out from someone other than those Capos,a red flag goes up.
Also if the Capos don't regularly socialize with each other,it's less likely that one will approach another with a possible plot,because he doesn't really know which side of the fence anyone is on.
You don't want the Capos to become too friendly or familiar with each other. The whole idea is to keep everyone guessing so that no one wants to be the first to suggest a move on the Boss.
Gotti's policy of weekly meetings was nothing more than his huge ego being stroked. He even remarked to an underling upon becoming Boss "Now they got to come to me".
As a result of Gotti's stupidity,the FBI was able to observe and videotape guys that weren't even on their radar before Gotti's acension. Before Gotti,a lot of the non-local Capos weren't even known to the Feds.
Then this goofball parades them in front of cameras every week,on schedule.
Christ,the TV listings should have read - WEDNESDAY 8:00 PM CHANNEL 9 - PARADE OF MOB GOONS- Weekly series starring John Gotti. Your favorite stars as well as up and coming new thugs are featured in this new reality show,straight from the fabulous Ravenite.
Joan and Melissa will be live on the Red Carpet with their unique take on Mafiosi Fashion.

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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss? [Re: TommyD] #721902
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lou very funny but true..all about ego..

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