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who hates micheal #6939
02/23/04 07:34 AM
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who hated micheal for killing fredo i did


keep your friends close keep your enemies closer (al pacino)
Re: who hates micheal #6940
02/23/04 08:06 AM
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no i wouldnt say i hated him for it, i mean he had his own reasons for doing it no matter if fredo was his brother or not. i think i couldnt do that no matter what my brother has done, i couldnt do it. to me michael became just cold and heartless through the story and i wasn't really shocked that he killed him for what he's done after all.

Re: who hates micheal #6941
02/23/04 08:53 AM
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it was shocking. but hate mike? no. it was justified although extreme. wink


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Re: who hates micheal #6942
02/23/04 09:07 AM
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Its funny how I can understand, tolerate or accept Michael killing all his "enemies", but I can not accept him killing his brother.


Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
Re: who hates micheal #6943
02/23/04 10:14 AM
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By betraying Michael strictly for self-gain and putting his brother's life, the lives of his brother's family, and The Corleone Family in danger - even unwittingly - Fredo became an ally to Michael's enemies. In effect despite their blood ties - Fredo was then one of Michael's enemies, and always would be. He could never really be trusted again. Too weak, too stupid, too vulnerable to temptation.

No matter how much this subject is brought up...it never fails to amaze me how people don't bother to look at that aspect of it.

I agree with That Moltisanti kid ... Michael's decision to have Fredo killed was shocking, extreme - but justified.

No, I didn't hate him for it but actually felt sorry for him, because as Don Corleone and not merely kid brother Mikey...he could come to no other decision.

That's what makes the flashback scene at the very end of GFII so brilliant...a stroke of genius.

Apple


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- THOMAS JEFFERSON

Re: who hates micheal #6944
02/23/04 10:48 AM
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It was a hateful act. But, as others said, it was justifiable--even necessary. Bear two points in mind:
First, Fredo's upfront motive in betraying his brother was to advantage himself at his brother's expense ("They said there'd be something in it for me"). And, he may well have been lying when he said, "I swear to God, Mike, I didn't know it was gonna be a hit." Many of us here believe Fredo opened the drapes to Michael and Kay's bedroom. Why did he do that, if not to set up the murder of his brother (and likely, his sister in law)?
Second, Michael never gave an enemy a second chance--and with good reason. If he gave someone a pass, that person would have been enabled to try again. Would Fredo's grudge against Michael--"I'm your older brother, Mike, and I was passed over...it ain't the way I wanted it"--have diminished? Or, over time, would Fredo have brooded, and decided to try again to depose his brother?


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: who hates micheal #6945
02/23/04 11:26 AM
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I second that!! No Corleone enemy got a pass, not even a blood relative!

I think Michael ended up hated Michael for killing Fredo!


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Re: who hates micheal #6946
02/23/04 02:46 PM
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Fredos killing was shocking and extreme but I still didn't hate Michael for it. As Apple and others said, what else could he do really??
More to the point too is Don Lucianos statement that michael ended up hating michael .

FH

Re: who hates micheal #6947
02/23/04 05:11 PM
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FREDO you're nothing to me now you're not a brother, you're not a friend, I don't want to know you or what you do.

Michael doesn't even cosnider Fredo a member of the family, as I don't hate Michael for killing Fredo. Human psychology comes into play here as Michael was justified in killing his brother for the protection of his own family.


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