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A question about law #712691
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Could please somebody explain to me what's the difference between being an accessory to murder before the fact and taking part in a conspiracy to commit murder (when the murder has been in fact committed, not when the plan was stopped)? For example, I read Raymond Patriarca got 10 years for conspiracy to murder Willie Marfeo (if memory serves me right), but could have gotten a life sentence if convicted of being an accessory before the fact.
I mean, both cases are about people who plan or order murders, but don't pull the trigger themselves. So, what's the difference between the 2 ?


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: A question about law [Re: Dwalin2011] #712692
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Fresh off a 4 year bid, I like to fancy myself about being some what knowledgeable about the criminal justice system, but it's all bureaucratic, and differs from state to state. & federal law is a whole nother ballgame, specially when dealing with conspiracys.

Re: A question about law [Re: Dwalin2011] #712708
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And if my memory serves me right Raymond Patriarca said if you want to live like a gangster than you die like a gangster

Re: A question about law [Re: player] #712711
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Originally Posted By: player
And if my memory serves me right Raymond Patriarca said if you want to live like a gangster than you die like a gangster

He should have died on the electric chair. A man who asks an underling of his to kill his own son is a crazy maniac.


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: A question about law [Re: Dwalin2011] #712712
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Dwalin2011, YOU ARE A SICKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted By: player
Dwalin2011, YOU ARE A SICKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why?


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: A question about law [Re: Dwalin2011] #712714
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Or, if you don't like the electric chair, then I can say "he should have been whacked", don't you agree with this either?


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: A question about law [Re: Dwalin2011] #712716
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Dwalin2011, I Think you are a loser from r.i you jealous punk

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He didn't die in the electric chair he die the way any great man would want to die

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Originally Posted By: player
Dwalin2011, I Think you are a loser from r.i you jealous punk

I usually ignore trolls, but you got me interested since I am bored lately. Jealous of what? His years in prison, living in constant risk of being whacked etc?


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: A question about law [Re: Dwalin2011] #712721
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dwalin2011 this board is for talking about gangster not for people to talk about people who were fame by the law and perjury iam not against law and order but iam against fbi agents that are corrupt and fame people

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Originally Posted By: player
dwalin2011 this board is for talking about gangster not for people to talk about people who were fame by the law and perjury iam not against law and order but iam against fbi agents that are corrupt and fame people

But in this topic I wasn't initially talking about the FBI or frame-ups. I asked the reason for the difference between the sentences for conspiracy to commit murder and being accessory to murder. I just listed Patriarca as an example. By the way, he wasn't framed, Tameleo was (for another murder).


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Anyway, if you want to continue the discussion about Patriarca, I think Marfeo had huge balls to stand up against Patriarca's threats. I respect him even though he was a criminal, while Patriarca was just a coward who sent a squad of hitmen after him.


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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I can not answer your legal???? BUT I DO KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT OC CASES I FIND IT QUITE IRONIC THAT THE CASE AGENT PAUL RICCO FBI AGENT DIE IN A PRISON CELL AND PATRIARCA DIE IN A NICE WARM BED I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY HAVE A GOOD NIGHT

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Deleted - racist remark.

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Patriarca wasn't just an og he was an oog(an origanal old gangsta)

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Originally Posted By: Skinny
Deleted - racist remark.

I don't think Skinny meant to be racist because the word he used for Marfeo is a slang word for black people (as far as I know), while those characters we are discussing here are all white, so it didn't make sense anyway.
Just noticing.

Last edited by Dwalin2011; 04/25/13 09:21 PM.

Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Could please somebody explain to me what's the difference between being an accessory to murder before the fact and taking part in a conspiracy to commit murder (when the murder has been in fact committed, not when the plan was stopped)? For example, I read Raymond Patriarca got 10 years for conspiracy to murder Willie Marfeo (if memory serves me right), but could have gotten a life sentence if convicted of being an accessory before the fact.
I mean, both cases are about people who plan or order murders, but don't pull the trigger themselves. So, what's the difference between the 2 ?

I see that, amid all this flaming and BS, your question wasn't answered:

If you are an accessory to a crime, you are charged with the same crime as the principal perp. For example, if I'm a bank robber and I hired you to drive the getaway car, and we were caught, you'd be charged with bank robbery, too, because you "aided and abetted" me in robbing the bank. You can't get off simply because you weren't inside the bank with me. The prosecutor will contend that I couldn't have robbed the bank without your help. Another purpose of "accessory" charge: The prosecutor needs you as a witness against me. So, he'll tell you that if you agree to waive your Fifth Amendment privilege and answer all questions about the robbery truthfully, you won't be prosecuted as an accessory--you'll walk.

A conspiracy rap is a tool that prosecutors use to gain an easy conviction of a hard-to-get perp. Two reasons: first, the prosecutor doesn't have to prove Patriarca actually committed a murder, only that he was "conspiring" with others to commit a murder. Second, the judge will allow "uncorroborated testimony from unindicted co-conspirators." That means that if you were a "little fish" in Patriarca's family, and you were part of the "conspiracy" (i.e., Patriarca discussed the murder in your hearing), the prosecutor will call you in, tell you that you are a "co-conspirator"--then promise that you won't be indicted if you agree to testify against Patriarca. And, if you do, the prosecutor won't have to produce a "corroborating witness"--someone else who heard Partriarca discuss the murder with you and who's willing to testify. Corroborating witnesses are usually required to press felony charges in cases other than "conspiracies."


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Re: A question about law [Re: Turnbull] #712999
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull

I see that, amid all this flaming and BS, your question wasn't answered:

If you are an accessory to a crime, you are charged with the same crime as the principal perp. For example, if I'm a bank robber and I hired you to drive the getaway car, and we were caught, you'd be charged with bank robbery, too, because you "aided and abetted" me in robbing the bank. You can't get off simply because you weren't inside the bank with me. The prosecutor will contend that I couldn't have robbed the bank without your help. Another purpose of "accessory" charge: The prosecutor needs you as a witness against me. So, he'll tell you that if you agree to waive your Fifth Amendment privilege and answer all questions about the robbery truthfully, you won't be prosecuted as an accessory--you'll walk.

A conspiracy rap is a tool that prosecutors use to gain an easy conviction of a hard-to-get perp. Two reasons: first, the prosecutor doesn't have to prove Patriarca actually committed a murder, only that he was "conspiring" with others to commit a murder. Second, the judge will allow "uncorroborated testimony from unindicted co-conspirators." That means that if you were a "little fish" in Patriarca's family, and you were part of the "conspiracy" (i.e., Patriarca discussed the murder in your hearing), the prosecutor will call you in, tell you that you are a "co-conspirator"--then promise that you won't be indicted if you agree to testify against Patriarca. And, if you do, the prosecutor won't have to produce a "corroborating witness"--someone else who heard Partriarca discuss the murder with you and who's willing to testify. Corroborating witnesses are usually required to press felony charges in cases other than "conspiracies."

Thanks, now it's more clear. Anyway, law is really a complicated thing.

By the way, HOW DARED YOU to delete Skinny's whole post, not just the racist word? lol lol
He said there an unquestionable truth: Willie Marfeo REALLY did have monster balls and deserves RESPECT!!! smile


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."

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