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A question about law
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Could please somebody explain to me what's the difference between being an accessory to murder before the fact and taking part in a conspiracy to commit murder (when the murder has been in fact committed, not when the plan was stopped)? For example, I read Raymond Patriarca got 10 years for conspiracy to murder Willie Marfeo (if memory serves me right), but could have gotten a life sentence if convicted of being an accessory before the fact. I mean, both cases are about people who plan or order murders, but don't pull the trigger themselves. So, what's the difference between the 2 ?
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: A question about law
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04/25/13 09:21 PM
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I don't think Skinny meant to be racist because the word he used for Marfeo is a slang word for black people (as far as I know), while those characters we are discussing here are all white, so it didn't make sense anyway. Just noticing.
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Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: A question about law
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Could please somebody explain to me what's the difference between being an accessory to murder before the fact and taking part in a conspiracy to commit murder (when the murder has been in fact committed, not when the plan was stopped)? For example, I read Raymond Patriarca got 10 years for conspiracy to murder Willie Marfeo (if memory serves me right), but could have gotten a life sentence if convicted of being an accessory before the fact. I mean, both cases are about people who plan or order murders, but don't pull the trigger themselves. So, what's the difference between the 2 ? I see that, amid all this flaming and BS, your question wasn't answered: If you are an accessory to a crime, you are charged with the same crime as the principal perp. For example, if I'm a bank robber and I hired you to drive the getaway car, and we were caught, you'd be charged with bank robbery, too, because you "aided and abetted" me in robbing the bank. You can't get off simply because you weren't inside the bank with me. The prosecutor will contend that I couldn't have robbed the bank without your help. Another purpose of "accessory" charge: The prosecutor needs you as a witness against me. So, he'll tell you that if you agree to waive your Fifth Amendment privilege and answer all questions about the robbery truthfully, you won't be prosecuted as an accessory--you'll walk. A conspiracy rap is a tool that prosecutors use to gain an easy conviction of a hard-to-get perp. Two reasons: first, the prosecutor doesn't have to prove Patriarca actually committed a murder, only that he was "conspiring" with others to commit a murder. Second, the judge will allow "uncorroborated testimony from unindicted co-conspirators." That means that if you were a "little fish" in Patriarca's family, and you were part of the "conspiracy" (i.e., Patriarca discussed the murder in your hearing), the prosecutor will call you in, tell you that you are a "co-conspirator"--then promise that you won't be indicted if you agree to testify against Patriarca. And, if you do, the prosecutor won't have to produce a "corroborating witness"--someone else who heard Partriarca discuss the murder with you and who's willing to testify. Corroborating witnesses are usually required to press felony charges in cases other than "conspiracies."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: A question about law
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I see that, amid all this flaming and BS, your question wasn't answered:
If you are an accessory to a crime, you are charged with the same crime as the principal perp. For example, if I'm a bank robber and I hired you to drive the getaway car, and we were caught, you'd be charged with bank robbery, too, because you "aided and abetted" me in robbing the bank. You can't get off simply because you weren't inside the bank with me. The prosecutor will contend that I couldn't have robbed the bank without your help. Another purpose of "accessory" charge: The prosecutor needs you as a witness against me. So, he'll tell you that if you agree to waive your Fifth Amendment privilege and answer all questions about the robbery truthfully, you won't be prosecuted as an accessory--you'll walk.
A conspiracy rap is a tool that prosecutors use to gain an easy conviction of a hard-to-get perp. Two reasons: first, the prosecutor doesn't have to prove Patriarca actually committed a murder, only that he was "conspiring" with others to commit a murder. Second, the judge will allow "uncorroborated testimony from unindicted co-conspirators." That means that if you were a "little fish" in Patriarca's family, and you were part of the "conspiracy" (i.e., Patriarca discussed the murder in your hearing), the prosecutor will call you in, tell you that you are a "co-conspirator"--then promise that you won't be indicted if you agree to testify against Patriarca. And, if you do, the prosecutor won't have to produce a "corroborating witness"--someone else who heard Partriarca discuss the murder with you and who's willing to testify. Corroborating witnesses are usually required to press felony charges in cases other than "conspiracies."
Thanks, now it's more clear. Anyway, law is really a complicated thing. By the way, HOW DARED YOU to delete Skinny's whole post, not just the racist word? He said there an unquestionable truth: Willie Marfeo REALLY did have monster balls and deserves RESPECT!!!
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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