I use to go to those lunches with Johnny and everyone when it was at Armonds every Friday.And you are right,there is no business spoken.It is just a bunch of friends eating lunch and bullshitting!

renokid, Correct. Thank you. Armand's would have been the last place for them to discuss business. They suspected everybody. There was a waiter who worked at Donald Angelini's restaurant who turned out to be an undercover F.B.I. guy. Yes, you heard me, a fucking waiter!

Yes, Nicky Eyes, sad but true. That's why I didn't include Cicero. However, I remember in 1968 when the Blacks were marching down Roosevelt Road towards Cicero during the Democratic Convention that was in Chicago.
The Italians were waiting for them with guns. True story.

Instead, over time, The Italians kept out the Blacks but lost it to the Mexicans. LOL.

12thStreet, I am not sure. That is a tough question about the future with Emwood Park and Grand Ave.

Good question. Couldn't give you an intelligent answer at this point. We'll only have to wait and see.

I knew Don real well.he usedto sit with me when I ate there.i remember all the wannabes coming up to kiss his ass.I would then say to him "here comes another wannabe".he would laugh and say you are right.
Don and I also had a few mutual friends that he dealt with for business.He was a real sweetheart.I miss that guy.A real class guy!

do you have any clue how many vice lords were on the westside in 68?

they woulda came to cicero on bullshit

Well they didn't so they obviously couldn't.

everybody knew the agreement

don't come shooting over here, we won't come shooting over there

The Vice Lords were afraid to come into Cicero in '68. That was Joey Auippa's area. Your Vice Lord friends would have ended up stuffed in trash cans. The Chicago Police, Cicero Police, Citizens of Cicero, some Outfit guys etc. were waiting for a reason to do it.

When was it in 65 I think??? MLK tried to march through Cicero and had to retreat so Lyndon Johnson called out the National Guard to help him march and THEN THE NATIONAL GUARD RETREATED, TOO???? LOL...Vice Lords didn't have the balls to do that.

Chicago is beyond right on this Vice Lord shit. Their wasn't a black/Mexican gang in the city who would've even dared to fuck with Cicero or any Italians their for that matter. Not even Larry Hoover and his group of knuckleheads. The GD's would have had a better shot at it probably.

I must say also that Vice Lords not only would've stuffed into the trash but they are nothing but trash as well. It bothers me when I hear gang bangers using word such as mafia or even gangster. Because they couldn't even match what a true authentic Gangster really is. Not to mention the majority of gangs these days and pretty much through out history are the most dis organized non-loyal group of wannabes walking the streets. The only group I would remotely give credit to was GD's in the 80's. Larry Hoover and maybe Carl Fort would be the only individuals I would consider as Gangsters who had their shit together and pretty well organized.

Say what you want about The Outfit. I am NO damn Outfit groupie but Cicero was DEFINITELY a safer place when they were powerful. Their demise in the late 80's and early 90's in that neighborhood coincided with the rise in the Hispanic gangs that moved into Cicero with the change in demographics. No that is not a racist statement, THAT IS A TRUE STATEMENT. Hell, my child is half Hispanic..:) The gangs and the drugs got out of control in that neighborhood and the boys from the Big Top on Austin and Roosevelt NEVER would have allowed that. Not because they were moral and just people - THEY WEREN'T - but gang shootings and drugs bring too much heat so examples would have been made of those gangs real quick

@Chicago

the vice lords weren't scared of cicero

the west side of Chicago was a lot rougher of a neighborhood than cicero


@logomassini


jeff fort and the blackstones/el rukns were more fearsome than the gds

jeff fort has probably met aiuppa or cerone or atleast frank laporte or pilotto

You're a bunch of L7's if your from the go you know what I mean. Stop dick riding the guys your pops were extorted by.

Cook County, That's fine. I don't care about the stupid Vice Lords.
The POINT is that in 1968 during the National Democratic Convention, Black people were marching down Roosevelt Road headed towards Cicero to protest that Cicero was not integrated at all. When they got to the border, the Italians were waiting for them with guns along with the Cicero Police. The Black demonstrators turned around and headed back east on Roosevelt Road.
That's the POINT. Forget about the Vice Lords or anybody else because they have nothing to do with the POINT being made.
If you don't believe it, I don't fucking care. Look it up in a history book.

L7....Been awhile since I've heard that. The Sandlot I believe? Good movie but.....Well never mind.

Solly has a younger wife, but no young kids.

Sorry for going off topic, VLs had around 3,000 members then.

Just a side note, there is a VL branch called Cicero Insane VLs. But I digress.

Upped

Paul Carparelli was a 12th Street Player and now made man. Most Players weren’t Italian so not many options for the Outfit. Many more C-Notes that became made men, even though most of them weren’t Italian either.

Black gangs were certainly not afraid of the mob.. They all had a a few hundred 12 year old kids with guns bigger than them ready to throw their life away.



Today the Outfit is 6 different independent crews working gambling and construction.. strong leadership kept it all together and that’s all gone. It’s around in name only.

Allen Dorfman Is Dead | Chicago Outfit | (1983)