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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #798669
08/27/14 02:34 PM
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here is one of the articles on Albert "reds" Pontani of Trenton


http://articles.philly.com/1988-03-01/ne...ed-crime-family


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: mikeyballs211] #798678
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Originally Posted By: mikeyballs211
Speaking of Reds Pontani.....I read an article i believe from 1988 that said Pontani was made and was controlling Trenton when Scarfo went away.

The article said at the time many law enf sources had him pegged as possibly the next boss b/c was very powerful and violent had control over that city and crimes in Bucks county across the river. Although the sources said that they also thought at the time Martirano in Newark could be the next boss, or Scarfo could have held onto it. Obviously we know how it actually played out, but interesting shit.

Anyone else have any info on this guy? I had never heard of him until I read that article and I've lived in Phi area all my life? I will see if I can find the article


But what i said in that post ,he is a member here i think it's him.(I do not know if he is still living)
I would need to see a mugshot to know if it is the same guy from back in the day.
This guy here contacted me and said a couple things that only he would know.
Unless it was a hang around guy and is using his name, but it does not matter cos the guy said what he said ,and he was right.
But after he said it and i said something back (He never posted again)


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #798680
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The guy i am talking about is smart as hell,great with rackets .
(not flim flam rackets)


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #798684
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Yea I dont know much about him just that article I found, but it seemed like he had alot going on at the time and they even suggested he was too smart to want to be boss, which may well have happened


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #798685
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http://articles.philly.com/1987-10-05/news/26216788_1_mob-boss-gambino-organization-john-gotti


This is the article the first one where I noticed this guys name...seems to be a serious earner literally never heard of him prior to this. Any other info would be greatly appreciated


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #798696
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Thankyou.. Mikey


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #798819
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Interesting. Is this guy still alive?

Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: PetroPirelli] #798842
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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #798843
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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #798885
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Originally Posted By: DanteMoltisanti
Thankyou for finding that out....


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #798899
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Found this article from 84:

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/08/22/nyregion/the-region-10-are-accused-of-racketeering.html

It mentions his son, Michael. I wonder if he is still involved. Haven't ever heard anything from him. Interesting that Anthony St Laurent was also involved.

THE REGION; 10 Are Accused Of Racketeering
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TRENTON, Aug. 21— A state grand jury has indicted 10 people, five of them from other states, on racketeering charges in connection with what was called an interstate gambling operation based in the Trenton area, Attorney General Irwin I. Kimmelman announced today.

Those named in the indictment were Albert Pontani, 57 years old, Hamilton Township; his son, Michael A. Pontani, 29, Trenton; Caesar Pesarini, 46, Trenton; Michael Logrecco, 53, East Detroit, Mich.; Patrick Picardi, 56, Cambridge, Mass.; Anthony St. Laurent, 43, Johnston, R.I.; Carl J. Palo, 29, Old Bridge; Nicholas Renna, 42, Brooklyn, N.Y.; Thomas Lacerra, 45, Staten Island, N.Y., and Doreen Trento, 37, Farmingdale.

The state police have have identified Albert Pontani as a member of the Bruno crime organization, which is based in Philadelphia and central and southern New Jersey. The indictment charged that Albert Pontani operated a sports bookmaking operation in the Trenton area and then ''laid off'' bets with other bookmakers and gamblers to spread the risk.

Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: Serpiente] #798916
08/28/14 10:22 AM
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[quote=pizzaboy][quote=NickyWhip]
But when the "Cluck U Chickin" opened right in the middle
of one of the last Italian strong holds that was it..


LOL.....there's only one way a neighborhood can go from there....

Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: baldo] #798933
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Originally Posted By: baldo
Found this article from 84:

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/08/22/nyregion/the-region-10-are-accused-of-racketeering.html

It mentions his son, Michael. I wonder if he is still involved. Haven't ever heard anything from him. Interesting that Anthony St Laurent was also involved.

THE REGION; 10 Are Accused Of Racketeering
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TRENTON, Aug. 21— A state grand jury has indicted 10 people, five of them from other states, on racketeering charges in connection with what was called an interstate gambling operation based in the Trenton area, Attorney General Irwin I. Kimmelman announced today.

Those named in the indictment were Albert Pontani, 57 years old, Hamilton Township; his son, Michael A. Pontani, 29, Trenton; Caesar Pesarini, 46, Trenton; Michael Logrecco, 53, East Detroit, Mich.; Patrick Picardi, 56, Cambridge, Mass.; Anthony St. Laurent, 43, Johnston, R.I.; Carl J. Palo, 29, Old Bridge; Nicholas Renna, 42, Brooklyn, N.Y.; Thomas Lacerra, 45, Staten Island, N.Y., and Doreen Trento, 37, Farmingdale.

The state police have have identified Albert Pontani as a member of the Bruno crime organization, which is based in Philadelphia and central and southern New Jersey. The indictment charged that Albert Pontani operated a sports bookmaking operation in the Trenton area and then ''laid off'' bets with other bookmakers and gamblers to spread the risk.


I am not saying that the shelved and dormit made guys and sons and nephews and associates Etc. are running a big family.But they all of a sudden, do not become upstanding citizens.
Matter of fact i think that those guys like it,and do well .
Next thing they know,there is no organization, they become there own boss and possibly the leader of the subordinates that may have never of done real earning cos of all the structure that was going on during the organized crime era.
The amount of these guys are much more then the actual family was.

I do not know about N.Y. but there is nobody pushing anyone around ,like back in the day....
(I guess that's what i am saying)Organization is gone.But the the rackets live forever.


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #799266
08/29/14 09:28 PM
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I read somewhere Lucibello when he was a capo had gambling and loan sharking in trenton? Can anyone elaborate on that? Since hes in jail til least 2015 any philly experts know if his crew has stuff going on in Trenton or Bucks county? Always curious abou Bucks county since I live there and always heard rumors since alotta money out this way. Any info on Bucks would be appreciated.


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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: mikeyballs211] #981109
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First post. Came across this site and found some of the more obscure stuff interesting so I figured why not. Most of the people I know in the life are from NY and Philly and are some still around... and I’m not into dry snitching. But... I spent a portion of my childhood in the Trenton area (which, when people say Trenton... they also mean Ewing, Hamilton and Lawrence) and my dad grew up there. Not sure if anybody is still kicking up from that area these days, but yeah back in the day Gambinos and Philly worked pretty much side by side. Nick Russo was the Gambino capo and he did time with Scarfo, Bruno, Manna and other heavy hitters. He was an old timer. Other top Gambino guys were Pal Joey (Farinella) and Anthony Tassone. Then there were guys like Dom Iavarone and Paul Campanile... who moved down from NY and got clipped. Russo and Farinella had juice, they were the go-between guys for Philly... and set up/attended the meetings between Scarfo and Gotti right after he became boss. The Stillitano thing is pretty well known, but he wasn’t Irish... that rumor started because he ran to K&A gang in Philly to hide after he killed Mike Russo. Nick Russo got shot in that incident and wouldn’t let the hospital remove the bullet (refused to cooperate). Eventually I think the cops got a judge to sign off on it though. Stillitano was a cowboy who ran with the Gambino guys but had the balls to try shake down people they were protecting. Crazy guy, before my time but I heard some wild stories. He probably would have been made at some point if he didn’t fuck up. Gravano didn’t kill him, Philly did. Tassone was the last guy to die about 10 years ago. His grandson was caught up in a big ecstasy bust back in like 2001. They were in high school and it was a LOT of pills so everybody knew where the financing came from. AJ died himself a few years back, not sure what happened since I kinda lost touch with that crowd throughout the years.

Reds was the last Philly capo that I’m aware of. He was always looking to recruit the neighborhood kids. He would leave his garage door open with cases of beer and see who had the balls to steal it. But he got locked up in the late 80s and died a few years back.

Mikey Rome was older than the pit bulls... who yeah, were really just a bunch of brawlers from Chamberburg and Hamilton. Mikey Rome probably killed Sam Vasta... but I honestly don’t know who either of them were connected to. Rome got friendly with some mob guys when he was doing time for murder in a drug deal gone bad in the 90s. He became a crack head though and he got killed in a drug deal gone back a few years ago as well. Karma I guess. The Post brothers had nothing to do with any of this... but I can tell you firsthand they were fucking terrifying human beings. Joe Post is the one doing life and I heard a rumor he is no longer allowed visitation, like forever... for behaving like a total animal in Trenton State Prison

Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: Serpiente] #981140
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I think I have spoken to the guy you're talking about in the past. He was very familiar with Scarf Inc and guys that hung out there. Had many details like Mikey Virgilio had the initials PN tattooed on him. When people asked him what it stood for he said Pen Knife stupid.

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Here is also a link to the New Jersey OC Bars report. Has some info on Pontani and the mob all over New Jersey..,......... https://www.state.nj.us/sci/ocbars2.shtm

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Originally Posted by Galante81
I think I have spoken to the guy you're talking about in the past. He was very familiar with Scarf Inc and guys that hung out there. Had many details like Mikey Virgilio had the initials PN tattooed on him. When people asked him what it stood for he said Pen Knife stupid.


Maybe. Depends on when and where. I think Reds has been dead for at least 15 years (I want to say even longer). Reds was into dealing... meth in particular. He was in his late 50s/early 60s when he last got locked up and that was probably 1990 or so. Philly was so dysfuncial at the time that he was very high up because everybody else was dead or in prison. I think he was technically under the Newark faction (so was Johnny Keys). His family still owns some jewelry stores in the area.

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I wasn't referring that's I spoke to Red's Pontani. This guy was an internet poster I would say at least 20 years younger than Pontani. Perhaps in his early 30s in the mid 80s

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Pontani died in prison in 1993

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Originally Posted by Galante81
I wasn't referring that's I spoke to Red's Pontani. This guy was an internet poster I would say at least 20 years younger than Pontani. Perhaps in his early 30s in the mid 80s

Originally Posted by Galante81
I wasn't referring that's I spoke to Red's Pontani. This guy was an internet poster I would say at least 20 years younger than Pontani. Perhaps in his early 30s in the mid 80s


He had a son that would be a around that age. Could be him. I think Reds inherited Johnny Key’s book after what happened there. I don’t know of any other guy with a Philly button in Trenton around that time... so I’m guessing he got what was left after Pinky Costello, his brother and Papi (who I think had a big operation) died or moved to FL.

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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: TonyBoy117] #996280
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Re: The Mob in Trenton [Re: DanteMoltisanti] #996286
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Thanks for sharing that article. I was just a kid back then. All I know is my family liked Reds. I think some of his younger guys are still kicking around.

Found NYMafia’s stuff through this site too. What a way to kill a Saturday morning. Would love to see them do a post on Trenton from the 50s up to Philly taking care of Stillitano for Paul Castellano. Sam the Plumber lived nearby and was very close with the old timers too. Angelo Bruno’s cousins were there. I don’t know if Nicky Russo was ever more than a soldier, but he ran a crew of made guys for the Gambinos. From what I’ve been told it always sounded like an interesting crossroads where all the local wiseguys were tight no matter who they were kicking up to. I lived in Staten Island most of my life but always found the Trenton thing interesting.

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