I read in the papers about gang bangers. Killing babies, attacking innocent people such as their teachers @ their high schools and also assaulting police officers.

When I read about mafioso, overall they carry themselves in a much more professional manner. You don't read about soldiers of a mafia family raping a woman or selling crack to grade school kids.

Your thoughts?

Mafia members have raped women, sold drugs and killed police so their no better.

Not on the level of what the gangs are doing currently. The mindsets are totally different. The way they carry themselves is different.

Gang Bangers will forcefully fuck your 10 year old sister with no shame. If a mob guy did that to someone a hit would be put out on him.

Their all scumbags at the end of the day, this current Verenace trial shows what these guys are.

That is not the question here.

The question is to figure out why gang bangers carry themselves differently than Mafioso when it comes to certain things. Such as what I mentioned about how gang bangers will gang bang your sister and have no shame about it.

Guys in the Italian mob may get involved in some bad stuff when it comes to certain things. But they still have values compared to Gang bangers.

Yeah I'm sure when you compare every ethnic groups of gangs compared to just Italian-American OC their worse (especially today when the mob is dying and barely does any murders). I want to point out to some fanboys on here (not accusing you) that the Mob isn't some "honored society" but in reality mostly scumbags like any other crime group.
Some good news though is that homicides have been falling for years in the US despite apparent rising number of gangs late 80s and 90s way worse than today in the US.

Oh cmon Nicky, you are telling me that the old mobsters living out their golden years would rape a woman out of fun and laugh about it? Cmon man. No fucking way. They have values even though they are involved in illegal activities.

Ever read the Casso book? You do know what happened when he found out about someone's daughter being raped right? You do know that he killed the guy correct? Do you thnk that a leader of a gang like the MS 13 would give a fuck if some guys daughter got raped?

Not saying mobsters are saints but there nowhere close to the level of gangbangers here in Chicago. It's out of control. Record setting homicide levels and I'm sure you saw on the news a 6 month baby getting shot. Fucking horrible.

Never said that I'm saying it has happened before, not like no one ever has. Such as Chris Furnari who gang-raped a 16 year old girl. Today most of these guys are probably too old to even get it up lol.

Sad whats happening in Chicago, there bucking the trend with their homicides hope they don't get close to the almost 1000 they were hitting in the early 90s!

For most part street gang members are a much younger breed of criminals, who mature more into hardened crimininals after a while or after a few trips into prison, some mature out of gang life others will continue and become more hard core. Although gangmembers have commited rape i dont think its as prolific as what your making it out to be.

Many mobsters have themselves been charged or convicted of sexual assault and other crimes that you would associate with street gangs and had no effect on their standing in the mob, Gus Farace for instance was convicted of forcing another boy to commit an oral sex act on him and then beating him to death he was convicted of manslaughter and whilst in prison bonnano capo gerrard chilli adopted him as his protoge. luchesse capo chris furnari was also a convicted rapist. I think at their base level they are just a street gang. The mob back in the day tried to present themselves as having values especially the sort of authority figures but i doubt they really cared what their underlings were doing to earn cause they knew that they had to do the same stuff when they were coming up.

I know it's fiction, but I think it's quite a realistic one: in "The Godfather" Luca Brasi burned a baby alive and Vito still helped him, therefore implying he wasn't against such acts.

MS 13 sort of pride themselves on being the baddest and the worse so your right they probably would not care. Street gangs have a different mentality in general, you cant have a respectable street gang without having a certain level of notoriety and a few murders help as well.

shit what scene was that, must have been in the book. Yeah realistically a gang leader(or mob boss, if you want to split hairs) isn't gonna kill a good soldier over someones kid he didnt know, be no point.

Like I said , violent street gangs are out to terrorize the general public. Mafia families in America are not. They just don't do that bullshit.

Did you know that in a gang, they don't really give a fuck what you do as long as you commit a murder? For example they will go rob a liquor store and kill the guy behind the counter just to be able to join the gang.

You don't see mobsters robbing and raping old ladies either.

Values people, its called Values.

I think that in mobsters' case it's rather called "being careful to not attract too much attention" rather than "having values".

Maybe so but trust me many of them value family. And for them to see an innocent kid get murdered or an old lady get mugged, pisses many of them off.

they're not setting records for homicides in chicago

most of the killings are over some stupid shit because chicago gangs ain't organized for the most part anymore. just a bunch of idiotic teenagers doing idiotic shit for all the wrong reasons

for example:

years ago if someone killed a 6 month old then their own mob would murder them for fucking up

Those people running gangs now have no sense of a good family life so they have no respect for it. Don't think twice that those animals who killed that baby feel bad about it. They do not feel bad one bit.

Have italian mob guys raped women ?? Yes, has it happened as often as gangbangers ?? Not even close

Well said.

Kudos to NS for kicking the argument up a higher level. The question answers itself though there's an unstated presumption is the way the original inquiry is posed. A self-evident setup. It get muddy tho when you introduce ethnic qualifiers then it takes on a whole different cast. Basically you're arguing apples and oranges as if they started out from the same seedling. They didn't. Sure both began in the dirt, but they're two different things. And any basis for comparison is totally arbitrary. Like asking who's the best dress.

Ive watched enough Mob documentaries to know that the whole "mobsters having values and morals" is pure B.S.

Also , why are you comparing young street gangs (majority of who's members range from 15 - 21 years ago) to mobsters who are in their 40,s and up?

Plus the little 8 month old that was shot in Chicago was not even the target. Her gangbanging father was. Very rarely if ever are children even the targets. They are just the collateral in the gang wars.
if you compare a more organized gang such as the BGF , you will see that they live by codes operate in a mafia-like fashion

Lets get back to the subject.

How come gang members act like they don't have respect for anything ? They are just out there to destroy the world and everything in it. They would perform a drive by at a Church. Mobsters wouldn't do that.

I look at it this way. How many guys in the mob have ever been murdered for killing an innocent person.Innocent bystanders during the columbo war got hit none of the hitmen were disciplined for it. Here are some cases.
bonnano wiseguy confronted by murdered mans brothers

wiseguy pays for ozone pk killing

5 bonanno wiseguys stab kids

onorfio modeico

also im not disputing that gang bangers commit more crime. im just disagreeing with this idea that the mafia had more values and moral ethics.

Sorry to break it to you, but hurting innocent people is an everyday occurence with street gangs.

The mob may fuck up once in a while but they try to not make a habit of it. Street gangs shoot the wrong person and they say "Oh well no big deal."

They have no respect for the lives of others. Atleast mobsters show a little respect when it comes to people who have nothing to do with their business.

Her not being the target doesn't matter she's still dead. That's not an excuse. This has happened many times and sometimes their even the targets. I hope this is a turning point and they finally do something to stop it. Everyone seems to be talking about mobsters in the past like the Colombo war, Chris Furnari, Gus Farace, ect. We're talking about today. The mob today hasn't done anything as bad as street gangs do today.