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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #700230
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Gravano was not a tough guy, he was a coward and the Gottis were not. They faced their time, Gravano could not.

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #700265
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Originally Posted By: Joe_Bonanno
So I think the decision to become a rat was right, not only to protect himself, but because that is not the Cosa Nostra he once swore to.


I agree with a lot of what you say here, except for this point. If the society is above the individual (which is what it's supposed to be) then if he were a true believer, he would not have become a rat to save himself just because Gotti was a public figure. Look at Delacroce who had every reason to fight, start an internal war, etc., and he didn't. Why? Because he was a true believer.

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Skinny] #700306
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Whatever, hes still a coward lowlife rat.

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #700338
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Originally Posted By: Joe_Bonanno
If he betray only Gotti it won't be enough to get away with 19 murders.
Exactly..that's why i don't believe his version of why he flipped..it had little to nothing to do with getting gotti..it had everything to do with getting himself out of prison fir his crimes and if that meant taking other friends down or lying about guy's in other families etc..he was gonna do it !!

Does anybody seriously believe that someone as sharp as chin gigante who obviously went through great measures to be cautious, never was caught on a bug committing criminal acts etc.., would tell gravano, someone he's only met once according to gravano that he ''invested many years in this crazy act''?? well that was gravano's testimony ..If i was on that jury, i vote not guilty on that line alone !!

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #700342
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Gravano killed way more than 19 people. He admitted to 19 but there is good reason to believe the number is a great deal higher than that. Casso was mostly right about Gravano's life despite all his other lies. Sammy was mostly whacking business partners left and right, including standup guys lke DB.

Hes completely full of shit for the reasons that he flipped, and if you need more evidence of it look at this life post La Cosa Nostra. His great redemption from his LCN life was selling X to children. D

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: LittleNicky] #700356
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Sammy was mostly whacking business partners left and right, then the rat start whacking Gotti&co to get out business partners were first.

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: DiLorenzo] #700357
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Does anybody seriously believe that someone as sharp as chin gigante ? No, the bull was full of bull.

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: tommykarate] #700411
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Originally Posted By: tommykarate
Sammy didn't kill johns neighbor.it was willow boy or charlie canig I think.it says charlie got rid of favaras body in the book about him


John & Charley Canig, Willie Boy, Gene, & Quack. Gotti was in Fla. Poor Favara.


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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #700443
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Skinny] #700625
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
Willow boy!

...his Indian name... grin


N..... or no, bastard had balls, shame to kill him...
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #700638
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a rat is a rat full stop. and he put many ppl down, even ppl not like gotti. any kind of criminal or gangster loses all standing when ratting to the feds no way of justifying it.

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: streetbossliborio] #705743
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Not meant in any way, shape or form as a refutation of any condemnation of Bull but...in the thousands of hours of fed tapes contemporaneous with the bug at the Ravinite, not once did Bull incriminate himself or say one negative word about John. Struck me as interesting.


source: Bull's ABC (?) interview with Diane Sawyer.

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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Viceguy] #706044
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Originally Posted By: Viceguy
Not meant in any way, shape or form as a refutation of any condemnation of Bull but...in the thousands of hours of fed tapes contemporaneous with the bug at the Ravinite, not once did Bull incriminate himself or say one negative word about John. Struck me as interesting.


source: Bull's ABC (?) interview with Diane Sawyer.


That's true. People talk about Gravano being the rat, and he was, but Gotti running his mouth did just as much damage.


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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #706050
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In my opinion Gravano was the smarter one in terms of maintaning a low profile and being "true LCN". Had he been boss, I'm quite sure the Gambino Family would'tve taken such a hit as they did in the early nineties.

That being said, I personally don't like Sammy. He's complete murderous scum, lower than the dirt himself. He's a shitsack through and through and not just because he's a rat, but he murdered god knows how many people, got his family involved in a drug ring in Arizona, along with psychopathic nature.

Gotti was an arrogant, loudmouth blowhard. But one thing you always have to give him is that he walked the talk. After watching the 60 minutes interview on Gravano, he became one of the few mobsters I genuinely did not like or root for (the latter being a habit I try to curb)


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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #706089
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so the bull becomes a capo of a smart crew in early 86 if he knew whats going on with every other family why did he jump on promtions to get more clout. in 2013 im guessing theres 400 guys who did or not, made some money in that era 1976-1990. he wanted more. just look at the mobwives show. there dad was lowkey or not snitching after the bull, 20yrs and I bet 30+( read the scarpa files in the late 80tys they make 8 guys amonth) or more old colombos made in the 1970tys may be shit but not rats or reality starts.any one on the board know wat persico family got for numbers it went ghost.

Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #706127
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
In my opinion Gravano was the smarter one in terms of maintaning a low profile and being "true LCN". Had he been boss, I'm quite sure the Gambino Family would'tve taken such a hit as they did in the early nineties.

That being said, I personally don't like Sammy. He's complete murderous scum, lower than the dirt himself. He's a shitsack through and through and not just because he's a rat, but he murdered god knows how many people, got his family involved in a drug ring in Arizona, along with psychopathic nature.

Gotti was an arrogant, loudmouth blowhard. But one thing you always have to give him is that he walked the talk. After watching the 60 minutes interview on Gravano, he became one of the few mobsters I genuinely did not like or root for (the latter being a habit I try to curb)


Definitely agree that Gravano was more "true LCN" but not sure he would have ever been this great boss that would have changed the fortunes of the Gambinos. Although I will never argue Gotti was a great Boss, it does seem like he had the Gambino family at the top. He was 100% dedicated to his crime Family. The constant talking and flashiness definitely wasn't an ideal way to run a Family, but he definitely did "walk the talk" Without Sammy ratting Gotti would have still gone away, but the rest of the Family would have still been ok.
If only Frank DeCeccio would have just taken the reigns the Gambino Family may still be the head of the class, but what would we all do without Gotti conversation?


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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN? [Re: Joe_Bonanno] #706275
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Originally Posted By: Joe_Bonanno
Here's, what I think. Probably you've read his book and watched his interview, he was always for the old ways of making business. He was strong, ruthless, killer, major money maker, not in the spotlights, careful and so on... till John Gotti comes as a boss. For me John Gotti being the boss, was the beginning of the end of the Gambino family then.
If Gravano and Frank DeCicco had been in charge, none of this would happen. John Gotti talked about "public"....


Here is what I think. I agree with most of your points. I think he could have been one of the best and highly respected for the ages but he became his worst enemy. I feel its usually a women, drugs or greed that throw smart powerfull positioned men off their foundation. With Sammy I think it was just his mind, he could not satisfy his need for controling every detail of everything around him. What you call micro management. He had managers for that, he should have left them to their tasks.

The best is knowing he has to deal with and suffer watching his discusting daughter hang out all her dirty laundry on the horrible fakeality show. Maybe its better off he is not dead so he does not have to roll over again.

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http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/970518.18westlat.html

The gulf war was going on at this time, and they watched it on television in the detention center. ''John's rooting for Iraq to win the war, for our troops to die and this and that. I told him one day, 'Look, it could be our kids in the Army. . . . O.K., we hate the Government. But what do these kids got to do with it? I mean, like it or not, we belong to this country.' ''


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