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Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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02/26/13 02:58 PM
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Here's, what I think. Probably you've read his book and watched his interview, he was always for the old ways of making business. He was strong, ruthless, killer, major money maker, not in the spotlights, careful and so on... till John Gotti comes as a boss. For me John Gotti being the boss, was the beginning of the end of the Gambino family then.
If Gravano and Frank DeCicco had been in charge, none of this would happen. John Gotti talked about "public" while Gravano said - "We have no public, we are a secret society". John Gotti loved cameras, Gravano avoided them. So I think the decision to become a rat was right, not only to protect himself, but because that is not the Cosa Nostra he once swore to. As we all know he never maked excuses for his life, and even now he is serving sentence, which meant, that as a rat he betrayed the people who no longer believed in the old ways, and the old rules. So for me that makes Gravano not a rat, but a man of dignity who live the life of a gangster, as he is meant to be lived. That's why I think he is the face of the old Cosa Nostra, before it's downfall. I'm not saying Gravano is good, I'm just saying he is the face of Cosa Nostra for me.
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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Yeah i always thought that the gambinos would have been better off if sammy was the boss
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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Here's, what I think. Probably you've read his book and watched his interview, he was always for the old ways of making business. He was strong, ruthless, killer, major money maker, not in the spotlights, careful and so on... till John Gotti comes as a boss. For me John Gotti being the boss, was the beginning of the end of the Gambino family then.
If Gravano and Frank DeCicco had been in charge, none of this would happen. John Gotti talked about "public" while Gravano said - "We have no public, we are a secret society". John Gotti loved cameras, Gravano avoided them. So I think the decision to become a rat was right, not only to protect himself, but because that is not the Cosa Nostra he once swore to. As we all know he never maked excuses for his life, and even now he is serving sentence, which meant, that as a rat he betrayed the people who no longer believed in the old ways, and the old rules. So for me that makes Gravano not a rat, but a man of dignity who live the life of a gangster, as he is meant to be lived. That's why I think he is the face of the old Cosa Nostra, before it's downfall. I'm not saying Gravano is good, I'm just saying he is the face of Cosa Nostra for me. On more than one occaision Gravano had other Gambino members set up to be killed so he could take over their action/rackets. That alone kills his chances for my vote for best 'face' of Cosa Nostra. The only reason he did not rat to avoid jail time for his most recent charges and is 'dutifully' serving his sentence, is because there was no one else to rat on. Bobby Manna gets my vote.
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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Who was killed for personal reasons? All of his killings, except Frank Fiola and probably someone else who threatened him. He is no good, and he is ruthless I admit that. But Cosa Nostra is this - ruthless, and murderous. Others might argue that being a successful mobster consists of other character traits. Fox AND a lion, my friend.
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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Sammy the Rat was dealing drugs and had a almost Casso-like body count behind him. He would have been serving life if he had become the boss instead of John Gotti. No matter how "low-key" or "business-like" you were in the 80s/90s- the kind of stuff that Sammy was up to would have got him locked up quick. In fact we were granted a peek of his life as "boss" with that extacy ring. How did that work out?
I think you would have seen a Amuso/Casso like regime with Sammy as head of the Gambinos. Extremely paranoid mass murders.
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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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02/26/13 11:36 PM
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I disagree. Casso was a psychotic killer who didn't follow the rules, other example is Nick Scarfo. They both started killing their most loyal captains and soldiers without a reason. Let's take Al D'Arco, he was in the mob all his life, and even though... he betrayed it, because this is not Cosa Nostra, that was paranoid psychotic killing that Casso did. Same with Nicky Scarfo, when Leonetti left him, after the killing of his most loyal - Salvie Testa. John Gotti on the other hand was constantly complaining, even from the businesses that Gravano made, and that were profitable for Gotti too. He was always on the spotlights, on the cameras, things that are not right. Yeah Casso, Scarfo and Gotti were gangsters (not racketeers like Castellano or Bruno), but these are the 3 bosses that broke almost every single rule. But their soldiers, underbosses - Leonetti, Gravano, D'Arco do know that this is not what they gave their blood to. So they are out and the psychopaths are in jail, or dead. Leonetti is out of the life, Gravano will never be out of crime because this is what he is born for, Al D'Arco is also out.
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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I forget, what was Sammy Bull's status when Frank DiCicco went bye-bye? Capo, I think. In any event, that bomb was meant for Gotti as well. Had that succeeded Jimmy Brown would have been installed as boss, and we'd be talking about a whole nother Sammy Gravano, who may have eventually reached that exalted pedestal on his own dime, since Jimmy was an old man. But of course, this is one of the many what-ifs that fill these boards. Interesting, though.
N..... or no, bastard had balls, shame to kill him...
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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If he betray only Gotti it won't be enough to get away with 19 murders. Btw I don't feel bad for the people he killed, they were also mobsters and killers, don't think they are some kind of saints. The worst is for their families, but here I'm talking about Cosa Nostra, the rules, and when a tough guy, and a stand up mobster becomes a rat. And what you say here of course you wouldn't say it in front of him, if I could I would ask him some questions, not judge him, this is the way the world runs, no one can change it, there are mobsters, police, crime, fair business, everything, this is the world we live in, don't judge people, cause they don't even care... And as for the society, Gravano made a favor for the people who were racketeered and threatened, and killed, but they continue to call him rat. There is a limit, Cosa Nostra got rules, when the bosses break the rules, you can break them too - become a rat, and put them in jail for the rest of their lives.
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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I'd make an argument for Tony Casso before I endorse Sammy the Bull.
(pre rat, of course).
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Re: Gravano - the real face of LCN?
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Sammy didn't kill johns neighbor.it was willow boy or charlie canig I think.it says charlie got rid of favaras body in the book about him
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