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Re: War ? Gambino vs Genovese after big paul hit
[Re: Snakes]
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10/08/13 12:20 PM
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The Genovese leadership during Carlo's reign, and especially during Castellano's, was always friendly with the Gambinos, so I think war is a rather unrealistic scenario for that time period. Your scenario was from before Castellano was killed. Chin was friends with Big Paul. But, he despised Gotti. That, combined with the self serving rule of never whacking a mob boss, should have sealed Gotti's fate. The Gambinos were weaker than the Genovese/Lucchese combined. Once Gotti was gone, the beef would have been settled. DeCiccio and Lino were clipped by Chin/Casso-Amuso. And Angelo Ruggiero would have been murdered by Casso, since he was the one that sent Jimmy Hydell after Gaspipe. And they were after Sammy the Bull, but he was too evasive. So, in a way, there was a war going on.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: War ? Gambino vs Genovese after big paul hit
[Re: abc123]
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10/11/13 08:32 AM
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with the if and but, don't makes the History.
But hypothetically speaking, if the war was began in the 1988 after the Commission Case.
We should have seen sides that would have been created, the Genoveses-Luccheses against the Gambinos-Colombos, the Bonnano kick out by the Commission for the Pistone story, would have sided with those who had promised the return in the Comission, the Colombos of Vic Orena perhaps will managed to get permission to kill Carmine Persico and his loyalists.
And how would react the strong families outside of New York, like Chicago, Philadelphia or Boston.
In Mafia Prince Leonetti say that Scarfo was a Genoveses ally,same thing for the Bufalinos.Gotti controll the Decavalcantes,don't know about the Buffalo family.
hypothetically in an alternative past these would have been the sides:
Gambinos/Colombos/Decavalcante vs Genoveses/Luccheses/Scarfos
Last edited by furio_from_naples; 10/11/13 08:34 AM.
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Re: War ? Gambino vs Genovese after big paul hit
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12/01/13 06:46 AM
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Yeah, good point..when the the chin died, i remember reading a quote in the paper from bruce mouw, the fbi gambino squad leader, and he said gotti would bad mouth everybody, including other bosses, but the only one he feared was the chin..said they never heard once trash him on a bug ..that says a lot !!
Yep----Gotti,as overheard on FBI bugs:
Called his DEAR friend Joey Massino "The Whale"
Referred to the Amuso/Casso tandem as "The Circus"
Disparagingly described the Colombo Family as "Cambodians"
Billed the DeCavalcante Family as "Shoe-Shiners"
But never once spoke ill of The Chin.
Last edited by frankg2469; 12/01/13 06:48 AM.
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Re: War ? Gambino vs Genovese after big paul hit
[Re: abc123]
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08/09/14 03:30 AM
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John Gotti and Big Joey Massino were allies, even John Gotti helped Massino regain Bonanno Family's seat on the commission and he adviced Massino to put a limit to family members who're pushing dope and work more on traditional crimes. Gotti lately lost Massino's support because Massino began growing anger towards Gotti because Gotti attracting too much media attention.
On the other hand, Gotti was supporting Vic Orena, Colombo Family rebel. However Vic lost the war by going in prison, anyways he cost a lot for Persico, who lost many musclemen.
If Gotti would keep smart, wouldn't lost Massino's like and would help Orena for takeover, i guess he could manage to beat both Lucchese and Genovese Families, because Bonnanos were, in 90's, even stronger than Lucchese's and Casso & Amuso leadership was ruining the family already.
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Re: War ? Gambino vs Genovese after big paul hit
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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08/12/14 03:04 PM
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with the if and but, don't makes the History.
But hypothetically speaking, if the war was began in the 1988 after the Commission Case.
We should have seen sides that would have been created, the Genoveses-Luccheses against the Gambinos-Colombos, the Bonnano kick out by the Commission for the Pistone story, would have sided with those who had promised the return in the Comission, the Colombos of Vic Orena perhaps will managed to get permission to kill Carmine Persico and his loyalists.
And how would react the strong families outside of New York, like Chicago, Philadelphia or Boston.
In Mafia Prince Leonetti say that Scarfo was a Genoveses ally,same thing for the Bufalinos.Gotti controll the Decavalcantes,don't know about the Buffalo family.
hypothetically in an alternative past these would have been the sides:
Gambinos/Colombos/Decavalcante vs Genoveses/Luccheses/Scarfos I don't think any of the outside families would get involved. They never have before. They were all having their own problems during the 80's.
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Re: War ? Gambino vs Genovese after big paul hit
[Re: Snakes]
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08/12/14 03:06 PM
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Oh, Chin no doubt had beef with the Gambinos after Gotti was killed. I was just referring to potential Genovese/Gambino wars pre-Gotti to be unrealistic.
I don't think the Genovese would have had a problem with Sammy being boss if they had hit Gotti. Probably would have been better off for the family considering Sammy's nature. He would have still been caught like all the rest but it would have been much later than '92. Sammy was part of the plot and would have been killed too. The Genovese wanted James Brown and Dan Marino, possibly Butch.
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Re: War ? Gambino vs Genovese after big paul hit
[Re: frankg2469]
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08/12/14 04:41 PM
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Yeah, good point..when the the chin died, i remember reading a quote in the paper from bruce mouw, the fbi gambino squad leader, and he said gotti would bad mouth everybody, including other bosses, but the only one he feared was the chin..said they never heard once trash him on a bug ..that says a lot !!
Yep----Gotti,as overheard on FBI bugs:
Called his DEAR friend Joey Massino "The Whale"
Referred to the Amuso/Casso tandem as "The Circus"
Disparagingly described the Colombo Family as "Cambodians"
Billed the DeCavalcante Family as "Shoe-Shiners"
But never once spoke ill of The Chin.
You got that right! JK, I can imagine Gotti would be hot headed enough to comment The Chin's fake insanity. Making jokes about Gigante's nicknames ''the enigma in the rhobe'' or whatever. The Gambino crew probably had a ''silvio dante''-thing going on. Doesn't matter how much you're respected and feared, people will always speak against you behind your back, laughing while you waltz around thiking everything is OK. -Every High school tough-guy's life.
A dimple on the chin, the devil within.
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