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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #1079290
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Originally Posted by Ciment
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blackmobs until the last rizzuto is in the ground i will never count them out. the strength and respect that they and their allies have is unrivaled in 21st century mafia families. to still be top dog in montreal amongst mafia clans after every murder, attempted murder, arson and arrests is astonishing really. just another day in the milieu i guess.


True to that, every time we think the Rizzuto are over just to realize they are stronger than we taught.
But this time, they are going against another organization, its not intern mafia war.
The rizzuto need many allies in this war.


Very astute point Blackmobs. Maybe they should ask themselves the question why ? Why are they losing allies rather than gaining.


To stay at the top, you must make enemies I guess.

And if those who are moving against the rizzuto’s wins… well they will make some new enemies also

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Blackmobs] #1079335
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A criminal organization leader will always have enemies that is not in dispute. What is in question is the effectiveness of a leader in maintaining old alliances , seeking news ones and keeping control.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079340
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in italia sappiamo che i nemici dei tutti criminali sono la politzia ma forse un po dei criminali in canada non sanno questo fatto altrimenti l'affari è sempre prima

troppo strano a capire lol anche è vero che fratelli violi la polizia ha fatto qualcosa illegal durante l'investigazione

in italia they know that police are enemies first, why violis out of carcere early?politics and law are the criminals not said

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: VitoCahill] #1079351
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-revoquee-pour-un-ancien-de-la-mafia.php

an interesting development. i thought sucapane had 'retired'. he retired and i'm the new lefty out of the pen for the bluejays. i would be curious to know who he was meeting may reveal sucapanes current loyalty or alliances.

Former leader of Montreal Mafia clan has parole revoked
https://montrealgazette.com/news/former-leader-of-montreal-mafia-clan-has-parole-revoked

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079354
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Sucapane met with either Franco or Pasquale Lopez with it sounds like Serafino Olivero also present. May seem like nothing and likely was, however with tensions as they are lately in MTL the cops are likely just getting those off the street and out of way any way they can. Somehow Canada's weak justice system let's these guys out very early all the time yet appears to have harsh and even trivial parole violations.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079390
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Originally Posted by antimafia
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https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-revoquee-pour-un-ancien-de-la-mafia.php

an interesting development. i thought sucapane had 'retired'. he retired and i'm the new lefty out of the pen for the bluejays. i would be curious to know who he was meeting may reveal sucapanes current loyalty or alliances.

Former leader of Montreal Mafia clan has parole revoked
https://montrealgazette.com/news/former-leader-of-montreal-mafia-clan-has-parole-revoked


Interesting article, at least it reveals Sucapane standing with this other Calabrian clan. It makes you question new alliances between clans, did they fall out of favor with the Rizzuto's or did they switch sides on their own ?

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079401
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At this point after some deep digging where and how I can, I wouldn't even consider the olivero-lopez a clan. 3 members that we know of, oliverio, and the twins Franco and Pasquale. Which if we believe sucapane he didn't consider whichever twin he met with to be involved in the mafia as of 2023. Aside from there uncle who else do we include? Who are they allied with? Because of their alleged territory you would think pizzi and Barberio. The 3 nephews, Giuseppe now deceased were busted in 2015 in magot mastiff case and charges were dropped. There arrest turned into a nothing burger even with the aid of an informant. Plus the snow they were slinging was trash apparently making me think we are not dealing with the top brass here. Onto there uncle Serafino he has only been referenced as involved in money laundering. He does have interests in bars and cafes in MTL area and is involved with Bitcoin machines likely as a means to launder money. With that being said someone or group as yet unknown wants them gone. Oliverio was shot back in 2021 and of course Giuseppe's murder sept 2023. But alas as usual said group has yet to reveal itself.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079403
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And as for sucapane he was under Arcadi circa 2006 like most everyone else. Became devitos #2 at some point up until his 2013 death as the article said. I do remember reading an article way back about his possible switch to the Rizzuto camp at some point. Now I have heard he's with mirarchi or the oliverio-lopez. So who knows, in MTL I'll wait until an arrest telling me who he's with. Evidence at this point tells us nothing really. The 2 parole violations seem so benign. The other violation was that he went into a saq depot to get some booze. My god what an animal hide yer kids put out an apb for an Italian with a bottle of red under his arm.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079410
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The French media refers to them as a clan. We also know from past articles that they had links to both the Montreal mafia and HA.
They operated for years under the radar and it was the Magot Mastiff bust that got them more attention. Followed by an attempt on their uncle,the bad batch of cocaine and later the murder of one of the brothers.
We now know from this article, that Sucapane has a speaking relationship with the said clan, which makes it more interesting given the fact that Sucapane was a member of the group that wanted to overthrow the Rizzuto's.
And I agree there hasn't been as much media attention on them as opposed to other clans.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079506
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https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...es-libere-sous-de-severes-conditions.php

One of the convicts released under harsh conditions
Stanley Minuty, convicted of plotting the murder of Gaetan Gosselin, great friend and confidant of boss Raynald Desjardins, has just been automatically released after serving two thirds of his sentence.

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Gang member involved in murder of Mob boss associate to be released
https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...der-of-mob-boss-associate-to-be-released

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079592
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i believe it is now 3 members of the gosselin and scuderi hit team to be released lately. kevin tate, edrick antoine and the above stanley minuty. 3 names to keep track of only because of how close desjardins and gosselin were. if desjardins is still involved in the milieu it would be telling if either of these 3 face violence in 2024. no revenge would be forthcoming from the devito side as that clan no longer exists. man canadas justice system is beyond schizophrenic. throw a guy back in jail for digging up and using a phone but let 3 guys out convicted of 2 murders????

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
i believe it is now 3 members of the gosselin and scuderi hit team to be released lately. kevin tate, edrick antoine and the above stanley minuty. 3 names to keep track of only because of how close desjardins and gosselin were. if desjardins is still involved in the milieu it would be telling if either of these 3 face violence in 2024. no revenge would be forthcoming from the devito side as that clan no longer exists. man canadas justice system is beyond schizophrenic. throw a guy back in jail for digging up and using a phone but let 3 guys out convicted of 2 murders????


We dutch always complain about how soft/tolerant the Netherlands is on crime, but Canada takes the cake.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079662
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As a reminder it was conspiracy to commit murder not murder.

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lenient none the less compared to u.s.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079687
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Amende et permis d'alcool suspendu pour le bar Chez Parée
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...cool-suspendu-pour-le-bar-chez-paree.php

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Originally Posted by antimafia
Amende et permis d'alcool suspendu pour le bar Chez Parée
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...cool-suspendu-pour-le-bar-chez-paree.php


https://chezparee.ca/fr/photos/

Chez Paree : No.1 Gentlemen' s Club in Montreal

Why would they want to suspend their license ? wink


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079758
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https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...du-bar-chez-paree-suspendu-deux-semaines

The alcohol license of the bar Chez Parée suspended for two weeks

A related article in March 2023

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2023/03/06/fusillade-devant-un-bar-du-centre-ville-de-montreal

Shooting outside a bar in downtown Montreal

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079788
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https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/police-...ges-of-selling-cannabis-online-1.4820199

this could be part of the same bust. the la presse article, very thorough as always states proj. postcure began in feb 2020. these arrests took place around then with exact same m.o.

the overall health canada cannabis debacle is a mess. i know a few friends who worked in it in ontario and the amounts they 'prescribe' are outrageous.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1080040
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Originally Posted by antimafia
Amende et permis d'alcool suspendu pour le bar Chez Parée
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...cool-suspendu-pour-le-bar-chez-paree.php


Funny since one of the owner was an ex-cop.
Well don’t know if he’s still one of the owners.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1080269
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Do you think that the Del Balso hit was revenge for his attempted hit on Leonardo Rizzuto?

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at this point yes. with the revelation coming out at end of 2023 that the rizzuto-sollecito clan are in direct conflict with the robert/plouffe faction of the HA mtl chapter over control of the book. del balso it is said wanted a bigger piece of the book and thought it was owed to him after doing his time in jail. everything seemed civil amongst the rizzuto-sollecito clan with del balso up until somepoint in 2022 according to french media reporting. this conflict is about money, alot of money so perhaps del balso started taking more than his share or not kicking up anything, taking customers from other bookies or had started a rival sportsbook. with the arrival of rob barletta to montreal at some point in 2021 and patching into the mtl chapter you can see the pieces moving. with barletta, del balso, gilles lambert and the ability to setup or already having active servers in place on native reserves, say kanesatake, where martin roberts mother-in-law sharon simon still holds sway it is possible there was a rival book started. then the attempt on leonardo rizzuto, a co-leader of the r-s clan and possibly the one more active with sollecito very sick with cancer. by attempting to take him out would have been huge for the other side and likely would have allowed the robert/plouffe faction to bargain for a bigger piece of the book. the hitman, kevin rochebrun in the march 2023 attempt on rizzuto was seen at del balsos funeral for F sakes, and was involved although never charged in an attempt on marco pizzi, another member of the r-s clan in2016. del balso had been shot at in nov 2022, a mistaken attempt on an innocent bystander who lokked like him in jan 2023. so it looks like the r-s were after him as well. things seem quiet in the milieu lately at least amongst these 2 warring sides, perhaps the murder of del balso was enough to back the robert/plouffe faction off. they are also under pressure from police on several fronts related to a large scale drug investigation. i also think if the r-s were to make an attempt on a full patch angel that would set off this conflict to another level.

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I’d say there’s no doubt it’s because of Rizzuto.

Del Balso was already attempting to try and take things over after Vito went away (according to Scoppa) then he attempts to take the book. Not smart and it got him killed

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081217
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to the above article and the narrative of a house cleaning amongst those once close and working with frederick silva, which i believe is a valid one, the only other person once deemed close to silva not being shot at is girard anglade. he is currently imprisoned since 2020 for an attempted murder on one jean guy bourgoin an associate and possible fp HA close to jean richard lariviere of the HA mtl chapter. the shooting took place in 2018, i am not sure though if it was a planned hit or a spur of the moment shooting over an argument? matters only a little i suppose.

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Keeping in mind the video was recorded in 2015, does anyone have any reference as to why the cop in the video makes specific reference to HA's Normand (Casper) Ouimet not being happy with Woolley because he "treated him like clown?" When did this happen?

Is it a fact that later in 2023, Casper was released on parole and Woolley is now dead? Did I miss something?


Not just getting my stripes, something I can't talk about. Something that was ruining my whole life and he made it right. For what I owe him, I would follow that man into hell.
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I’d say there’s no doubt it’s because of Rizzuto.

Del Balso was already attempting to try and take things over after Vito went away (according to Scoppa) then he attempts to take the book. Not smart and it got him killed


WE must see the hit on Leo Rizzuto in a historic perspective struggles for control has been going on in Eastern Canada since the 60s.


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vito andolini there had been references to a conflict between woolley and casper ouimet/patrick lock, both of the trois rivieres chapter. lock was the target of an attempted murder/shooting back in 2022 at the cafe sorrento, the same where piero arena was in attendance. woolley would have been on the street at this time, ouimet would not as he was only released late 2023. all to say there appears to have been a conflict between these groups as well.

woolley murder theories, for those keeping track at home now;
1. related to war b/ MAFIA vs. HA over 'the book'
2. conflict w/ ouimet/lock
3. closeness to frederick silva, knew too much.

those appear to be 3 most likely as of now.

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Can anyone translate? I can’t copy anything from that article to translate and don’t understand anything in the video

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