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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: VitoCahill] #1078281
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
https://www.pressreader.com/

an old article about sabino, being part of salvatore scoppa clan.


I can't read the article was he the guy who got shot?


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yes, sorry about bad article. the same sabino arrested 2012 with salvatore scoppa and others.

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https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...ses-presumes-complices-comparaissent.php

if this translates gives the same details as pressreader article.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078481
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https://www.borderlandbeat.com/2023/12/samy-tamouros-wife-commits-suicide-in.html


A Colombian woman named Daniela, believed to be the wife or partner of the recently slain Canadian drug trafficker, Samy Tamouro; was found dead hanging in a Cancun apartment.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078501
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Damn she was fine, the link also mentions this could be cartel related with the hit on Samy

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078508
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https://www.infobae.com/mexico/2023...sesinado-dias-antes-en-un-gym-de-cancun/

Wife of gangster Samy Tamouro, murdered days before in a gym in Cancun, found dead

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078646
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Can't believe the suave, slick-suited Mafiosi up there are just going to sit back and watch some hairy, unkempt, drunken bikers take over everything, but it seems like that's exactly what's happening.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078696
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happy new year all. liggio your description may be a little dated as most high level HA in canada rock the same suits as the italians, hardly ride their harleys and go around the city in suvs. all wardrobe aside i dont think the italians are letting anyone do anything. there has been major hits on each side in this war and unless i've missed something nothing is settled yet or even leaning one way or another.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078703
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Yep those french bikers are different from your typical bikers most guys who get killed are also NOT members but associate with the Hells Angels.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: VitoCahill] #1078847
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...ses-presumes-complices-comparaissent.php

if this translates gives the same details as pressreader article.


Thanks. Interesting they were still dealing dope in the 2010s lol.


Tiago Correia-Sabino. During the 2010s, Correia-Sabina was considered a heroin trafficker and close to Andrew Scoppa, a clan leader of the Calabrian mafia from Montreal, murdered outside a fitness center in October 2019.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078850
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Oh shit well I guess,my ideas of bikers up there is stereotypical.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078864
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Organized crime is disorganized
Le crime organisé se désorganise - Entrevue

TVA NEWS
Monday, January 1, 2024 09:58

UPDATE Monday, January 1, 2024 09:58

Even if a drop in gun violence was observed in Quebec in 2023, several major events punctuated this year which was almost as bloody as the previous one.


“A year of great violence”

This year has been “a year of great violence,” according to Roger Ferland, former investigator with the Quebec City Police Service (SPVQ).

The expert believes that the Montreal City Police Service (SPVM) has managed to complete several long-term cases in major interventions.

“These are choices that come from politics,” believes the former investigator.

Organized crime is disorganized

The new generation entering the ranks of organized crime has shaken up the way things are done, believes Mr. Ferland.

“Organized crime has offered its authority for years in a certain hierarchical order, but new trends are being observed. Young people with a new mentality decided that they no longer respected that and that led to excesses,” he explains.

“There is a law of physics that exists: when [there is] a force, we must oppose [it] an equal or sufficient resistance. [...] It is not true that it is time that will resolve things. We will have to take powerful actions,” he specifies.

According to him, mental health issues are part of the new reality with which police officers must deal.

He also calls for focusing on prevention among young people.

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/01/01/le-crime-organise-se-desorganise


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1078881
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Who knows how many more murder plots police have disturbed/wrecked.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #1078890
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Organized crime is disorganized
Le crime organisé se désorganise - Entrevue

TVA NEWS
Monday, January 1, 2024 09:58

UPDATE Monday, January 1, 2024 09:58

Even if a drop in gun violence was observed in Quebec in 2023, several major events punctuated this year which was almost as bloody as the previous one.


“A year of great violence”

This year has been “a year of great violence,” according to Roger Ferland, former investigator with the Quebec City Police Service (SPVQ).

The expert believes that the Montreal City Police Service (SPVM) has managed to complete several long-term cases in major interventions.

“These are choices that come from politics,” believes the former investigator.

Organized crime is disorganized

The new generation entering the ranks of organized crime has shaken up the way things are done, believes Mr. Ferland.

“Organized crime has offered its authority for years in a certain hierarchical order, but new trends are being observed. Young people with a new mentality decided that they no longer respected that and that led to excesses,” he explains.

“There is a law of physics that exists: when [there is] a force, we must oppose [it] an equal or sufficient resistance. [...] It is not true that it is time that will resolve things. We will have to take powerful actions,” he specifies.

According to him, mental health issues are part of the new reality with which police officers must deal.

He also calls for focusing on prevention among young people.

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/01/01/le-crime-organise-se-desorganise


The things with this article make it seem like the guy who are against the HAs are really youngs. But sure you got guys in the their twenties, bit you also got guys in the mid to end of their thirties.

And many of those gangs members or independents know the new generation of full patch HA. Since many are from the same neighborhoods or school. So the thing in Quebec city is not only some youngins, but young adults.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079000
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https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-attend-a-une-annee-2024-mouvementee.php

Montreal organized crime Police expect eventful 2024

Montreal organized crime Police expect eventful 2024

War between mafia and Hells Angels for control of illegal sports betting, murder of Gregory Woolley, revolt of independent drug traffickers in eastern Quebec and major investigation surrounding the shocking revelations of a former hitman who makes important actors of the very nervous criminal world... If 2023 was eventful, 2024 could be just as eventful, if not more.

High-level organized crime is destabilized and weakened. And in this environment, when there is a smell of blood, there are sharks or piranhas who will try to take a stand,” says Commander Francis Renaud, of the Organized Crime Division of the Police Department of the City of Montreal (SPVM).
On March 15, Leonardo Rizzuto, youngest son of former mafia godfather Vito Rizzuto, was shot and injured in Laval. We have to go back to 2009 and 2016, when the Sicilian clan was facing real putsch attempts, to find direct attacks against the family which has reigned over the Montreal mafia for more than 40 years.

In Beauce and Hérouxville, opponents of the Hells Angels have been attacking local players in the international biker group and their subordinate clubs for several weeks.

It would have been unthinkable, barely a year ago, for independent traffickers to dare attack the Hells Angels, considered by the police to be the most powerful criminal organization in Quebec, and even in Canada.
“What we are currently seeing is that various Montreal organized crime cells have split and lost influence and strength. This makes the community wonder what is going on and ask themselves: “Is there a pilot on the plane or is the cockpit empty at the moment?” ", illustrates Commander Francis Renaud, according to whom the current situation is reminiscent of those of 2009-2010 and 2016, when rebel clans of the mafia and that of the Scoppa brothers attacked the Sicilians, who emerged victorious but weakened from these aborted putsches.

Climate of confrontation

Since the natural death of Vito Rizzuto in 2013, Montreal organized crime was led by an alliance between the mafia and Hells Angels, of which gang leader Gregory Woolley was the kingpin.

A lull reigned for several years, but the alliance dissolved sometime in 2022, when a conflict erupted between the Rizzuto clan and the Montreal Hells Angels for control of the lucrative illegal sports betting, held for decades by the Sicilian clan of the Montreal mafia.

It is in this context that Leonardo Rizzuto was injured in March and that Claudia Iacono – by mistake – and Francesco Del Balso were assassinated in May and June, probably in retaliation for the attack against the son of the late godfather.
There are certain partnerships that existed for a long time and which no longer exist today. We had a certain stability which seems to have evaporated and that will lead to a race for leadership or the coronation of an organization which will take over another. This is what we can see now.

Francis Renaud, commander of the SPVM organized crime division
“I don't think we're close to seeing alliances. I think more that we are in confrontation. There are people who seem to want to take the plunge and seize an opportunity, because there are lucrative positions that seem to want to open up. But it may not be easy to seize these places,” the commander continues.
Big shoes to fill

According to our information, representatives of criminal groups held meetings at the end of 2023, the reasons for which are unknown. Either they forge alliances, or they try to get along, keeping in mind that conflicts are never good for business, one might think.
Francis Renaud believes that the community will have to find a new Gregory Woolley, after the latter's assassination in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu in November, to serve as a link between the groups.

“Woolley was a big guy. He played a certain role in criminal society. He was a liaison officer for all criminal organizations. There will have to be someone who plays this role, otherwise certain organizations will not talk to each other and that will bring violence and insecurity to the community,” says Mr. Renaud.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1079001
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Also the youtube channel the Original Gangster podcast got some crazy infos about the crime scene of Montreal.
What are ya’ll think about those videos?

Hells Angels take out Gregory Woolley
https://youtu.be/T6gzJTCs7jA?si=MhOeAne2rLNqGe4o

Martin Robert the most powerful biker boss in Canada and his ambitions
https://youtu.be/SAJCQAwxW_s?si=ZjEIlQ2-FJzNG25B

The raids against the Rizzuto’s, the HA and the gangs
https://youtu.be/g9Fyz2IGVwI?si=dyJjdzuBrRwG3Av6

Some italians that could ally themself with Martin Robert against the Rizzutos
https://youtu.be/LYaH-aU_Xkk?si=PgsCf9Q5AHBDtWU3

Race Lariviere a Montreal HA
https://youtu.be/2vslEJalVUE?si=KkSJdJXaT6-Ul5ei

Martin Robert getting support from the Canada and USA hells angels to push the Rizzuto’s
https://youtu.be/wLNWa8wp1pA?si=xOJD5jWY-dBHmOPi

What are ya’ll taught about each of those videos?

Do ya’ll think that the Canadian and american hells angels are all on the same board to go against the Rizzuto’s ?
And if it is the case, do ya’ll think the Rizzuto’s got a chance ?

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https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-revoquee-pour-un-ancien-de-la-mafia.php

an interesting development. i thought sucapane had 'retired'. he retired and i'm the new lefty out of the pen for the bluejays. i would be curious to know who he was meeting may reveal sucapanes current loyalty or alliances.

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blackmobs until the last rizzuto is in the ground i will never count them out. the strength and respect that they and their allies have is unrivaled in 21st century mafia families. to still be top dog in montreal amongst mafia clans after every murder, attempted murder, arson and arrests is astonishing really. just another day in the milieu i guess.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
blackmobs until the last rizzuto is in the ground i will never count them out. the strength and respect that they and their allies have is unrivaled in 21st century mafia families. to still be top dog in montreal amongst mafia clans after every murder, attempted murder, arson and arrests is astonishing really. just another day in the milieu i guess.


True to that, every time we think the Rizzuto are over just to realize they are stronger than we taught.
But this time, they are going against another organization, its not intern mafia war.
The rizzuto need many allies in this war.

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Also the youtube channel the Original Gangster podcast got some crazy infos about the crime scene of Montreal.
What are ya’ll think about those videos?

Hells Angels take out Gregory Woolley
https://youtu.be/T6gzJTCs7jA?si=MhOeAne2rLNqGe4o

Martin Robert the most powerful biker boss in Canada and his ambitions
https://youtu.be/SAJCQAwxW_s?si=ZjEIlQ2-FJzNG25B

The raids against the Rizzuto’s, the HA and the gangs
https://youtu.be/g9Fyz2IGVwI?si=dyJjdzuBrRwG3Av6

Some italians that could ally themself with Martin Robert against the Rizzutos
https://youtu.be/LYaH-aU_Xkk?si=PgsCf9Q5AHBDtWU3

Race Lariviere a Montreal HA
https://youtu.be/2vslEJalVUE?si=KkSJdJXaT6-Ul5ei

Martin Robert getting support from the Canada and USA hells angels to push the Rizzuto’s
https://youtu.be/wLNWa8wp1pA?si=xOJD5jWY-dBHmOPi

What are ya’ll taught about each of those videos?

Do ya’ll think that the Canadian and american hells angels are all on the same board to go against the Rizzuto’s ?
And if it is the case, do ya’ll think the Rizzuto’s got a chance ?


Scott Burnstein is the greatest crime reporter ever having several high level criminal and police source for every single mafia family biker club and each chapter and his reach is international lol it's only a matter of time before he gets sued for the libelous claims that he makes up. I don't know how anyone takes him seriously what little credibility he had has been destroyed in the last year alone after all the crazy claims mistakes and times he's been caught lying.

Originally Posted by VitoCahill
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-revoquee-pour-un-ancien-de-la-mafia.php

an interesting development. i thought sucapane had 'retired'. he retired and i'm the new lefty out of the pen for the bluejays. i would be curious to know who he was meeting may reveal sucapanes current loyalty or alliances.


Since his release he's been linked to Vittorio Mirarchi's cell the few times his name has come up.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Blackmobs] #1079036
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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Also the youtube channel the Original Gangster podcast got some crazy infos about the crime scene of Montreal.
What are ya’ll think about those videos?

Hells Angels take out Gregory Woolley
https://youtu.be/T6gzJTCs7jA?si=MhOeAne2rLNqGe4o

Martin Robert the most powerful biker boss in Canada and his ambitions
https://youtu.be/SAJCQAwxW_s?si=ZjEIlQ2-FJzNG25B

The raids against the Rizzuto’s, the HA and the gangs
https://youtu.be/g9Fyz2IGVwI?si=dyJjdzuBrRwG3Av6

Some italians that could ally themself with Martin Robert against the Rizzutos
https://youtu.be/LYaH-aU_Xkk?si=PgsCf9Q5AHBDtWU3

Race Lariviere a Montreal HA
https://youtu.be/2vslEJalVUE?si=KkSJdJXaT6-Ul5ei

Martin Robert getting support from the Canada and USA hells angels to push the Rizzuto’s
https://youtu.be/wLNWa8wp1pA?si=xOJD5jWY-dBHmOPi

What are ya’ll taught about each of those videos?

Do ya’ll think that the Canadian and american hells angels are all on the same board to go against the Rizzuto’s ?
And if it is the case, do ya’ll think the Rizzuto’s got a chance ?


So basically what Scot Burnstein is stating in the videos based on rumors he heard, is that HA want to overthrow the Rizzuto's and become the supreme criminal organization of not only Quebec but Canada. These rumors also say HA may have been behind the hits on Rizzuto,Wooley, Tomouro and Del Balso. He goes on stating that Barberio would have joined forces with HA had Del Balso succeeded in the attempted murder of Rizzuto. Furthermore, he states that the fate of the Rizzuto organization may depend on three individulals Barberio, Pietrantonio and Focarazzo and that Quebec HA have the blessing of Ontario HA.
These are very bold statements and paints a very grim view of the Rizzuto organization. The Rizzzuto 's have proven to be resilient , their deep pockets have helped in the past to fight off these wars. The big question is how long can they last ? If what Scott Burnstein says is true and I underscore if, it doesn't look good for the Rizzuto's.



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i did not watch any of the vids. not because they are by burnstein just not my thing. if i'm watching youtube it has to be old allman bros feat brother duane or gg allin just for a goof. back to mtl, unless i missed something the HA are already and have been for awhile the most powerful crime group in quebec and all of canada. clearly they dont yet have total control of montreal and laval and more specifically ' THE BOOK'. i'm curious as well in the more recent lapresse and jdm articles concerning this war there is a ref to something happening in 2022 that brought all this on. the 2 sides had a falling out over the book/gambling in 2022. i dont think it was the 1st attempt on del balso in november had to have been something else earlier. easy guess is over money. martin robert appears to have invested money into the book. perhaps he thought he was not getting his share? perhaps del balso got in his ear about taking full control of all gambling? none the less 2022 was an interesting year.

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I thought it was said that the Hells Angels killed Del Balso to get points with the Rizzutos after he tried to kill Leonardo Rizzuto?

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blackmobs until the last rizzuto is in the ground i will never count them out. the strength and respect that they and their allies have is unrivaled in 21st century mafia families. to still be top dog in montreal amongst mafia clans after every murder, attempted murder, arson and arrests is astonishing really. just another day in the milieu i guess.


True to that, every time we think the Rizzuto are over just to realize they are stronger than we taught.
But this time, they are going against another organization, its not intern mafia war.
The rizzuto need many allies in this war.


It's difficult to say how this goes, I'm sure the 81 has learned from the brutal Quebec Biker War, that killed 162 people in 8 years.


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se questo è vero poi chi sono gli altri italiani? quando finiscono rizzuto è l'ontario prossimo. tutti italiani devono essere temore se i bikers hanno un piano per tutto e provano uccidere rizzuto.

if true all Italians are in danger spot not just rizzuto. ontario is next? musitano gone by bikers of hamilton?

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The Italians need someone like Toto Riina to deal with these fucks.

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
blackmobs until the last rizzuto is in the ground i will never count them out. the strength and respect that they and their allies have is unrivaled in 21st century mafia families. to still be top dog in montreal amongst mafia clans after every murder, attempted murder, arson and arrests is astonishing really. just another day in the milieu i guess.


True to that, every time we think the Rizzuto are over just to realize they are stronger than we taught.
But this time, they are going against another organization, its not intern mafia war.
The rizzuto need many allies in this war.



I try to view them as a kind of hybrid between Feudalism, and a family owned corporation. It's just that the fiefdoms are "territories" like drug and gambling spots, whereas the business of the "corporation" are rackets, and various legal interest consolidated into a single Consortium.

Until you wipe out the family, they will always exist. There's a reason Riina wanted ALL the Inzerillos dead.

Also, there's a reason the Italian authorities refer to this type of structure as a " Criminal holding". The heirs of Riccobono in Sicily have something similar....


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Originally Posted by Liggio
Oh shit well I guess,my ideas of bikers up there is stereotypical.


There are also many types of motorcycle clubs "bikers" is a general term and says very little about a person.


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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Also the youtube channel the Original Gangster podcast got some crazy infos about the crime scene of Montreal.
What are ya’ll think about those videos?

Hells Angels take out Gregory Woolley
https://youtu.be/T6gzJTCs7jA?si=MhOeAne2rLNqGe4o

Martin Robert the most powerful biker boss in Canada and his ambitions
https://youtu.be/SAJCQAwxW_s?si=ZjEIlQ2-FJzNG25B

The raids against the Rizzuto’s, the HA and the gangs
https://youtu.be/g9Fyz2IGVwI?si=dyJjdzuBrRwG3Av6

Some italians that could ally themself with Martin Robert against the Rizzutos
https://youtu.be/LYaH-aU_Xkk?si=PgsCf9Q5AHBDtWU3

Race Lariviere a Montreal HA
https://youtu.be/2vslEJalVUE?si=KkSJdJXaT6-Ul5ei

Martin Robert getting support from the Canada and USA hells angels to push the Rizzuto’s
https://youtu.be/wLNWa8wp1pA?si=xOJD5jWY-dBHmOPi

What are ya’ll taught about each of those videos?

Do ya’ll think that the Canadian and american hells angels are all on the same board to go against the Rizzuto’s ?
And if it is the case, do ya’ll think the Rizzuto’s got a chance ?


No idea who his sources are, but thanks for posting.


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Blackmobs] #1079263
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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
blackmobs until the last rizzuto is in the ground i will never count them out. the strength and respect that they and their allies have is unrivaled in 21st century mafia families. to still be top dog in montreal amongst mafia clans after every murder, attempted murder, arson and arrests is astonishing really. just another day in the milieu i guess.


True to that, every time we think the Rizzuto are over just to realize they are stronger than we taught.
But this time, they are going against another organization, its not intern mafia war.
The rizzuto need many allies in this war.


Very astute point Blackmobs. Maybe they should ask themselves the question why ? Why are they losing allies rather than gaining.

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