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LCN outside of NY and Chicago #695396
02/09/13 12:05 AM 02/09/13 12:05 AM
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Ok lets get real. Who has a legitimate, active LCN family left? I was hoping to find something in New Orleans but I can't find shit. We know Philly has a family but they are on trial currently. Don't know how that will end up. There isn't much evidence that Cleveland, Milwaukee, or Kansas City is still active. Yeah they have a handful of old bastards on a chart but lets get real about it. Same goes for Tampa and New Orleans. Who do you guys think is still active outside of NY and Chi-town?

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695397
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New England - its not like it once was but its there.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695398
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Nyc
Chicago
New Jersey (Decalvacante)
Philadelphia
New England (Boston and Providence)
Detroit
NYC also has activity in Florida
Those are the families most active
There's some still active but not as much as the top like
Kansas City
Buffalo
L.A.
Cleveland
Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: NickyEyes1] #695400
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Nyc
Chicago
New Jersey (Decalvacante)
Philadelphia
New England (Boston and Providence)
Detroit
NYC also has activity in Florida
Those are the families most active
There's some still active but not as much as the top like
Kansas City
Buffalo
L.A.
Cleveland


Nicky, I know there are charts floating around the internet for the KC, LA, Buffalo, and Cleveland familes. But do we know they are seriously active? And as a mob buff I WANT them to be active I'm just skeptical.
Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695402
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A poster here named Joey Dice knows a lot about KC so i'd go to him for questions. I think they got caught running a multi million dollar betting operation. Murkemin made a good chart for Buffalo and they still have around 30 members left so there's still some activity. On wiretaps Chicago mobster Rudy Fratto talked about Cleveland guys respecting his influence
LA still has a little bit of activity but i'd say there close to being defunct.
Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695406
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In terms of families that meet the RICO definition, i.e. a formal structure and ongoing activity, there's at most 10 families left - the 5 NY families, New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia, Chicago, and maybe Detroit.

In terms of cities where there are still members living, those include Buffalo (which actually has about 20 members left), NE Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans, Denver, and Los Angeles.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695477
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You'll find good info here: Recent Small Families Cases, by Ivy.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...6673#Post656673
Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: IvyLeague] #695478
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

In terms of cities where there are still members living, those include Buffalo (which actually has about 20 members left), NE Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans, Denver, and Los Angeles.


That's a lot of members still around to be inactive.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Nicholas] #695481
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Originally Posted By: Nicholas
That's a lot of members still around to be inactive.


Some of them are still active. Same for some of the other cities I listed. But the structure has broken down to the point where it's more individuals committing crimes then a cohesive organized crime family.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695494
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To answer the original question besides the Five Families you have Chicago,New England,Philly-South Jersey,DeCavalcante's, and like Ivy said maybe Detroit, outside of there it's mostly collapsed but with considerable numbers in Kansas City and Buffalo remaining with arguably more signs of like from KC, outside of that even I'd guess there's a few guys in places like Tampa,LA,Cleveland and Sonny Ciancuttti's one man show in Pittsburgh, I think thats about it though
Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695505
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Cleveland, Tampa, and Los Angeles each have about 7 or 8 members left. St. Louis has a few. NE Pennsylvania and New Orleans 1 or 2 each, I think. Denver has 1. Milwaukee may have a few left.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695540
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Who's the Denver guy, is it that guy Villano who was relegated to the Smaldone's, I'm just curious
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Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
Who's the Denver guy, is it that guy Villano who was relegated to the Smaldone's, I'm just curious


Eugene Smaldone Jr., who's in his 70's and I don't think he lives in Denver anymore.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: IvyLeague] #695546
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Cleveland, Tampa, and Los Angeles each have about 7 or 8 members left.

Is there any sign of LCN activity at all in LA? Not even a sports book or anything? Who are the big bookies out there, anyone know?

Lot of money in LA you'd think they would try to jump start the place and get a piece of the action..
Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Giancarlo] #695549
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Is there any sign of LCN activity at all in LA? Not even a sports book or anything? Who are the big bookies out there, anyone know?

Lot of money in LA you'd think they would try to jump start the place and get a piece of the action..


There really hasn't been a mob case in LA in recent years. Nothing significant anyway. Back in the late 1990's Jimmy Caci was busted for counterfeit travelers checks. This was about the time the FBI was doing it's "Operation Thin Crust" which dealt with whatever remained of the mob's presence in Vegas; and that included some elements of the LA family. For years, Ronald "The Cigar" Sacco was a huge bookie in California. Skinny said he's still active. Kenji said Paulo "Paulie Tattoos" Rossi, who's an associate, has a decent sized book. LA member Mike Esposito still owns his porn company, Gentleman's Video. I think Tommy Gambino is still out there. So is Gambino member Joe Isgro. California is just too far away and, with the mob's scope shrinking as time goes on, there just aren't the numbers out there for really anything substantial.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695553
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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Skinny] #695556
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
Bro if i tell u somethin in private dont post it on here.


Sorry, I forgot you said that in a PM. For what it's worth, I don't think any LE guys are hanging around here but I hear what you're saying.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: IvyLeague] #695557
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Is there any sign of LCN activity at all in LA? Not even a sports book or anything? Who are the big bookies out there, anyone know?

Lot of money in LA you'd think they would try to jump start the place and get a piece of the action..


There really hasn't been a mob case in LA in recent years. Nothing significant anyway. Back in the late 1990's Jimmy Caci was busted for counterfeit travelers checks. This was about the time the FBI was doing it's "Operation Thin Crust" which dealt with whatever remained of the mob's presence in Vegas; and that included some elements of the LA family. For years, Ronald "The Cigar" Sacco was a huge bookie in California. Skinny said he's still active. Kenji said Paulo "Paulie Tattoos" Rossi, who's an associate, has a decent sized book. LA member Mike Esposito still owns his porn company, Gentleman's Video. I think Tommy Gambino is still out there. So is Gambino member Joe Isgro. California is just too far away and, with the mob's scope shrinking as time goes on, there just aren't the numbers out there for really anything substantial.


Thanks. I just quickly went through the 2010 Organized Crime in California Report and they're not even mentioned.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/publications/org_crime2010.pdf
Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Giancarlo] #695570
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

Thanks. I just quickly went through the 2010 Organized Crime in California Report and they're not even mentioned.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/publications/org_crime2010.pdf



I believe the 2005 California OC report was the last one to mention the LCN.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: Jenkins] #695632
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With Peter Milano recently passing, there can't be much left, some have moved back east, one here in Arizona, etc. I bet the Gambino guy that relocated out there is there to get some tribute from what's left and stake a flag, much like in Florida.

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Re: LCN outside of NY and Chicago [Re: azguy] #695674
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Originally Posted By: azguy
With Peter Milano recently passing, there can't be much left, some have moved back east, one here in Arizona, etc. I bet the Gambino guy that relocated out there is there to get some tribute from what's left and stake a flag, much like in Florida.


Isgro has been out in California for years. He's in the music business.

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