Dominic Bretti, a made Colombo guy got out of Prison and his home town was Utica NY, which happened to be in the thick of the dispute. Persico had already been commiserating with the Hamilton crew during the fall out with the Maggadino faction, had Bretti put a crew together that consisted of some Colombo guys he brought in from down state and some disgruntled Buffalo associates, and John Sullivan was on deck if needed.(He ended up doing a hit in Rochester and for some inexplicable reason, doing a robbery in Utica two days later) This was part of the "C TEAM"
War was pretty much declared in Central NY when they whacked Al Marrone (A made Buffalo and A team guy) two days after he got out of prison. Bretti believed if they took him out the rest of the Buffalo crew in the area would fold, a HUGE mistake.
The Falange crew, The Rome crew, the Water street crew and the Mohawk street crew dug in and there was a substantial body count. In the end the Western C team did themselves in behind too much cocaine and some senseless hits and that did nothing but bring heat on everyone. Remember,they didn't call the Colombos "The gang who couldn't shoot straight" for nothing

TheArm seems pretty well informed. I wonder if you could share some more insights on Hamilton? With the influence of the Siderno group, the Rizzuto organization and LCN on the various local factions it is hard to get an accurate picture of the current situation. Also, something that always intrigued me - why wasn't there a response from Buffalo when the Musitanos (as a proxy for the Rizzutos) whacked Johnny Papalia? Thanks.

Cool! Thanks for your reply. I´ve read Bretti was a tough guy but, of course I can´t say for sure. How tough was he? Have you met him?

Even though he was a sworn enemy and IMO a real mutt, I will have to admit Bretti was tough as nails and a serious guy. I met him when he first got out of prison the first time at Freddie Gramaldi's before all the bad blood happened. I was introduced first by the daughters one of the owners and he was dismissive to say the least. later that night when I was introduced as "A friend of mine" by a made guy he was a lot more amicable.

The current situation is a mess. Hamilton is being run by a traditional Capo and a "street boss" who seems to be more than soldier and less than a skipper, the logic being it is harder to track two guys than one.
As for retaliation for murder of Pops, the sad thing is those with the wherewithal, the balls and the motivation were either too long of tooth, in prison or dead. Off the top of my head, were any of the guys from the old Local 442 crew, 20 years younger at the time (Rocco L in particular)or guys like Benny or Jimmy T, they would have disemboweled Murdock Paddy and Angelo

Oh...so you have met him! Do you know what I just learned...the pictures I posted earlier is of Dominick Bretti. What are you trying to pull? Why are you lying? Who´s going to believe you now? You´re just a dick who found this site for role playing purposes. Get lost you bum!

Thanks. The Musitanos are so low key now, they seem to have disappeared, although you do hear they absorbed a lot of Papalia's enterprise after he was hit. You only read about the Violi/Luppinos in connection with their 'NDrangheta connection and their supposed participation in the Montreal power struggle. With Jimmy Luppino passing away, I wondered how much influence LCN had on the younger generation.

The pictures I posted are of Bretti. He looked more or less the same in 1968 as he did in the early 1980s, when you say you met him. Tell me more about your life, the times when you were "battling it out" for the Buffalo Family. What exactly was it you did back then? And tell me the truth, lies are worth shit.

For the record. It´s not me who´s claiming to have been there. You are!

Arm, You said that Sammy was a real piece of work... Care to elaborate?

Also, I'm wondering if you could shed some better light on the Alphabet wars as you said the media coverage was horrific.

I have read The Hammer Conspiracies and Georgia Durante's book and those are the only books on the subject of Rochester. Anything else is the same articles over and over..

Those pictures looked like no one, they didn't even look like each other, and NOTHING like Bretti Circa 1978-80. They resembled the guys I named...but you never heard of them, have you?
I already disclosed a lot of that in a previous post, and since I am guessing you are a native Utican based on your silly questions and your belief you actually know something, you should KNOW what was happening on Bleeker near Albany, 2nd Avenue, Mohawk and Bleeker, etc. Unless you are a kid rushing to Google and regurgitating stories you hear from your Dad.
More likely I suspect you are 50 something and when you were a punk kid, because you hung out at Whiteys and Mike Ms dads auto shop on Bleeker and Albany that made you a wise guy. Sorry to break the news, it didn't. Things happened when you were asleep in your Moms house out on those streets that would have made you shit your pants.
What you read about in the OD and the Herald American and talked about at TRs place at 2AM was my life at that time.
You either know what went on from around 1976-1985 or you don't. I am not going to give you a blow by blow of exactly what I did or didn't do because there are things that I could still be held accountable for. I'm enjoying my retirement,I have no intentions of screwing it up to convince somebody like you of anything. Believe what you like

Not only do the pictures look like Bretti, it is also actually him. How did you, a hitman from Buffalo who was "battling out" for the Buffalo Mafia, fail to recognize him? Do you think that I was born this morning? Since you won´t tell me anything specific about what you did back then and there, I will have to consider you as the bullshitter that you are.

They looked like NO ONE bozo, and anyone who saw them knows it...but then again I can see by browsing the site no one cares what you have to say anyway. You add nothing to any conversation, you go from one thread to the other getting owned and then move on....you're a joke.
Just a tip...when you use words like "hit man" it proves to everyone you don't know your ass from your elbow, you may want to avoid them.
I totally nailed you silly questions and pretty much nailed your BIO too didn't I Utica boy? LOL...ate a lot of GEEBOS ON JAMES as a kid huh?
Now go find one of those Bosnians and give him a sloppy kiss on the nut sack,,,Hear that CLICK,,,,that is you being ignored...loser.

If you and Ivy there are not aware of what went on in Upstate NY between the Buffalo and Colombo families as a side result of the A-B-C wars in Rochester,Syracuse and Utica in the 70s and 80s, including the body count (Both Grillos, Marrone,Deblassi,Manassi,Faliciano,Dequeno,etc) and the near misses(Berg, Brindisi, Bretti, Nappi, DeAmico, Cuda, etc) I sugest you do a LOT more listening and research and a lot less talking.

Hey ARM,

How did you battle the Colombos back to New York? Was it a battle on the dance floor, where you got to use both your legs and ARMs? Did you moonwalk them silly? Disco was huge back in the day. Or was it an ARMwrestling contest that settled the beef? Was ARMand Dellacroce involved in some way, part of the ARMy behind you, or did you single handedly tell cARMine persico to fuck off? Weren´t you afraid of the Colombos making pARMa prosciutto out of you? I bet you were ARMed at all times. Didn´t you fear ARMageddon back then?

Would really like to know here and now every single detail of your chARMing life. Do I really have to wait til 2042, when your hARMless book comes out?

You seem to want to give us the inside scoop on everything from upstate New York, to Rockford, to Vegas. You remind me of an old poster on another forum years ago that was dubbed the "Forrest Gump" of the mob. You always find yourself in just the right place, at just the right time. Never mind much of your posts don't square with the facts.

You claim the Buffalo family has around 60 members right now. Sorry to break it to you but there were said to be only about 45 members back in 1989. Last year, one article cited a 2006 FBI chart that showed 23 remaining members. And a few have died since then, leaving approximately 20 members remaining.

You also claim Milwaukee has like 20 members. They may have not even had that many the last time there was actually a mob case in that town, which was in the mid-1980's.

Then there's your claim that Rockford is "soon to open the books." Even if this were true, how you would know this, and why you would be posting about it here, is anyone's guess. There hasn't been a formally structured family in Rockford in years. There's only been one relatively small gambling case there in recent years and the guy overseeing the operation (Saladino) was later identified as an associate of the Chicago Outfit's South Side crew.

And now you're going to tell us about the Buffalo family's activity in Vegas. As another poster said above, the last activity in Las Vegas involving the Buffalo family was in the 1990's. A few years later, it was reported the only families that still had any activity there were the 5 NY families and Chicago. And even then there were only about a dozen members said to reside in Vegas and some of them were in prison.

Anyway, you can drop all the names you want, and make all the claims you want, and obviously there are enough gullible dopes on the internet that you will get some bites. But some of us have been doing this long enough that we can smell a bullshitter a mile away. My suggestion is you quit now.

Take care.

Arm,

Do you think the ACTUAL story of the Rochester family will ever be told??? Is there a resource you could point me to for more information about those times??? News archives don't provide anything...

You guys are free to believe or dismiss anything I say, including that idiot who thinks he tripped me up by posting 50 year old scratchy black and white pics who look like no one, and was stupid enough to think I would openly post criminal activity I was involved in (what a Mook)
Do yourselves a favor and check out ANY information I have given, not opinions, statements and you will find each and every one checks out down to the color of the wallpaper.
Two people have already emaikled me and took guesses as to who I am, one got it right.
So you can either listen to people who watched a few documentaries and post on internet forums and think they are experts, or you can listen to someone who spent half of their life neck deep in the life and even did time for it...entirely up to you.
Hairypalms tried to quiz me and I aced his idiot questions, feel free to do that same...bring it