Hate to say, Rizzuto and the Carauna family have a lot of power! There all over the world too! They've got some serious juice!

Antonio,

The Rizzuto's are in no way bigger than the Genovese family they report to the Bonanno family or did and the Bonanno's don't even compare to the Genovese family.

Now add the war and disfunction that has been happening with the Rizzuto's the last few years they don't stand a chance.

I think Vito and the Rizzuto's were powerful at one time but not to be compared with the big 2 in N.Y Genovese and Gambino.

Antonio you got to admit those guys make a TON of money! They really report to the Bonnano family? Thats offensive for a guy like Rizzuto!

That's Mickey Rourke in "The Pope of Greenwich Village." You must be a young'un .

Tough isn't the word. The guy is practically blind now. I honestly believe that for all intents and purposes that he's retired.


You've been pretty excitable lately, EH . But I agree with you here. I didn't believe it in '98 when the guy wasn't around to defend himself, and I don't believe it today. Anyone who's even a second hand acquaintance of theirs knows how close they were.

While Rizzuto was in Jail he was head of a consortium of Sicilian and Ndrangheta families trying to build a bridge from Sicily to Mainland Italy the project was to cost billions of dollars.

Since Rizzuto's have fallen and Quebec has opened a corruption inquiry into Government dealings with the Mafia mayors of several different cities in Quebec have had to resign over being in the Rizzuto's pocket and this just from Municipal portion of the inquiry. The premier of Quebec which is the Canadian equivalent to a Governor was not reelected in the last provincial election mainly due to allegations of corrupt dealings with the Rizzuto's.

Coming up here in a couple of weeks the Quebec Corruption probe steers it's direction towards Provincial and Federal Mafia Corruption which you can bet is going to topple several more politicians and others in high places.

Back when the Rizzuto's were are the height of their power a powerful Federal politician of the ruling liberal party Alfonso Gagliano was alleged to be a made member of the Rizzuto Family and close associate of the Caruna-[BadWord]'s. Gaglianio who was instrumental in the election of of former prime minister Jean Chrétien and was said to a close personal friend of his. For those unaware the position Prime Minister of Canada is Canada's Equivalent to the president. Gagaliano was eventually forced to resign from his position of Public Works Minister over the allegation of ties to the Rizzuto's.

At the height of the Rizzuto's Reign which laster some 30 years the family had influence in every major city in Canada and had cells in USA, Italy, Venezuela, Germany, Aruba and Switzerland.

It's all relative but no New York in the last 50 years has infiltrated and influenced Governments at all levels and the legitimate economy the way the Rizzuto's did in Canada at the height of their power. And no New York family has had the kind of international influence the Rizzuto's had at the height of their power in the last 50 years.

I agree. But Rome fell up there for those guys. Big picture, the Genovese guys have lasted for the past 80 years. And while the American mob is a shadow of its former self, those guys are still pretty influential in the street AND in legitimate enterprise. For that reason, I have to go with the Genovese family.

Reluctantly agree!

PB how are the rocketballz you have time to play golf lately..its fucking cold up north

Pizzaboy I agree with you that at this point the Rizzuto's no longer wield that kind of power and currently the Genovese maybe the most powerful. However up until Vito went to Jail I think it's hard to argue that any other family wielded that kind of influence.

However unless the Canadian judicial system changes someone whether that's Vito or not will eventually consolidate power and they will once again start to infiltrate government. Quebec is the only province in Canada that has held this kind of inquiry it sure would be interesting if other provinces followed their lead. Police in Ontario allege Ndrangheta families have the same sort of influence there.

I'm still here until the 17th, DN. But I love the RocketBallz. They eat my Clevelands for lunch. And I played Clevelands for almost twenty years.

We'll be in Florida until Easter, hopefully. It depends on my mother in law's health and a few other things. But if you're down in Palm Beach County for any reason, shoot me a pm. I'll take you to PGA National. The place is gorgeous and shockingly reasonable if you don't play the Haig course (that's where they play the Honda Classic).

Does Vito still answer to the Bonnano Family? Everything you read about that guy is impressive! Aren't both his children his personal legal team? And who are they thinking killed his father?

I agree, buddy. Long term it's hard to argue because of the difference in the judicial systems. I was talking about right now .

Sabrina?

Yeah, ouch! My Bad!

Hey Eastharlem,

There isn't any evidence since Montagna was taken out that the Bonnano's are still influencing events in Montreal. I think Montagna pissed off a lot of people in Montreal as he tried to take the reigns. Its tough to say for sure though.

There are still a couple of groups trying to fight to take over. One of those is headed by Vito and another is headed by a jailed Calabrian gangster Giuseppe De Vito. There are probably others but recent information indicates that those are the two main ones vying for power. Alliances seem to be very fluid and change quickly.

Until someone can consolidate power and there is one ruling family I think it's difficult to gage how much influence any of the New York or Ontarion families have in Montreal.

As for who killed Nick Sr I think the evidence points to Montagna teaming with guys from Montreal and Ontario who opposed the Rizzuto's. For what it's worth most of those said to have been involved in taking out Nick Sr. are now Dead or in Jail.

No Doubt yeah the only golf I'm playing right now is Tiger Woods

If you're taking a rooting interest in this stuff (and you probably shouldn't), it's hard not to pull for Rizzuto. The guy was given NO CHANCE when he came out. Not by the media, not by the mob watchers, not by anyone. And he's still standing and consolidating his power. The longer he survives, the harder he'll be to displace. I wouldn't bet against him.

Excellent info! Appreciate it. It's interesting to me the dynamic up there. Especially the divide between the Sicilians and the Neopolitans.

Pizzaboy,

It's bad to say but I agree. He was so successful at running his family and then taken down by turncoats from the Bonanno family which he had reportedly tried to cut ties with years earlier. While he's in jail keeping his mouth shut his son is killed and then a member of the same Bonnano family that put him in Jail is trying to not only takeover his operation but is involved in killing of his father and other close friends and family. All this while he sits in jail powerless.

Exactly.

EastHarlemItal,

I think the Sicilian and Calabrian split is somewhat over played by media as Rizzuto has Calabrian allies and Im sure De Vito has some Sicilian ones also but some of the Ndrangheta families or Calabrian families from Ontario were involved in the initial onslaught against the Rizzuto's.

The Ndrangheta/Calabrian families that look to be involved seem to be those who the Rizzuto's had run over while they were consolidating their power in the 80's or those whose toes they stepped on while trying to move into ontario in the late 90's and early 2000's.

The Media! Thats why I don't take what they write seriously! So much is twisted! Whether it's to taint a jury pool, make a guy look bad etc!

Carma is a bitch look what his Dad had done to the Cotroni's and Violi's.

He shot one of the Violi brother's dead in his kitchen while eating dinner with his family 30 plus years later Nick Sr goes down the same way.

I think if you're told to take a plea deal and dont then it becomes a rule. Look what happend with Lawerance Ricci

It does? That's a single incident! So your saying it's a rule across the board like the question was posed? Tino put Ricci down for more than just not taking a plea! Ricci was hurting others just as bad as himself.

Danny Leo gets out a week from today. January 25th to be exact.

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...mp;x=92&y=8

Wow great find Schmo! Seriously being an FBI agent has its perks! Unreal the access to information you guys have!

Think he'll be boss?

Nicky from what I've learned from these guys on here there is no boss nor will there ever be for awhile. Gamms has said it before, the Feds arrest maybe one guy out of four or five guys running that family and then "claim" he's the acting boss. Danny Leo just happened to be one of those guys back during the time he was indicted. But when he gets released it'll be safe to say the Genovese administration will be whole again.