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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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Why did the bonnanos whack him... It way Joe right He talked shit about TG- Graziano. Scascia Told Massino and Vitale that TG was a coke freak
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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According to massino he was also whacked because george from canada killed the son of a made guy (Rizzuto crew) in Canada, but it hasnt been revealed who he killed and who was that made guy. This was the real reason. oh yeah! Read below from the Rats themselves http://gangstersinc.ning.com/m/blogpost?id=6329524%3ABlogPost%3A72
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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According to massino he was also whacked because george from canada killed the son of a made guy (Rizzuto crew) in Canada, but it hasnt been revealed who he killed and who was that made guy. This was the real reason. oh yeah! Read below from the Rats themselves http://gangstersinc.ning.com/m/blogpost?id=6329524%3ABlogPost%3A72 Yeah I know what was said. First of all, I don't read anything written by the fuck Dave Amoruso. Second of all, I don't believe that was the real reason.
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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I know you guys hate Wikipedia, but....
In the 1990s, relations between Massino and Sciascia had started to sour. As capo of the Bonanno crew in Montreal, Scascia was becoming more independent of Massino and more aligned with Vito Rizzuto. Growing richer and stronger, Rizzuto became less willing to defer all decisions to the Bonannos.
On April 30, 1992, Scascia's top lieutenant in Canada, Joseph LoPresti, was found shot to death in a Montreal lot. The Rizzutos murdered LoPresti, a Bonanno made man, without any prior notification or approval from the New York Bonanno leadership. Sciascia defended the killing to Salvatore Vitale as justified because LoPresti was selling drugs.
On a later occasion, When Rizzuto refused to send a hit team to New York to kill Bonanno target Robert Perino, Sciascia infuriated Massino by again supporting Rizzuto. When Bonanno capo Anthony Graziano, a Massino loyalist, appeared high on drugs in a meeting, Sciascia started telling other Bonanno family members that Graziano was a substance abuser. When new family boss Joseph Massino heard about Sciascia's complaints, he felt Sciascia was attacking him also. Feeling that Sciascia was challenging his authority, Massino, in a jealous rage, decided to have him killed.
In early 1999, at a wedding anniversary party, Massino gave the following message to Salvatore Vitale: "George has got to go". The plan was for fellow capo Patrick DeFilippo to invite Sciascia to a meeting to resolve an ongoing disagreement with Graziano over a marijuana racket. It was crucial that the murder not be linked to the Bonanno family in any way to avoid a potential conflict with the Rizzuto family in Montreal.
On March 18, 1999, Sciascia received a note at his jewelry store telling him to meet DeFilippo at a Manhattan dinner. At the dinner, DeFilippo told Sciascia that were driving to a different location and the three men entered mobster John Spirito's SUV. As Spirito drove the vehicle, DeFilippo shot Sciascia in head with a silenced gun. The gunmen then drove to a deserted Bronx street, where they left the body on the road.A passerby saw the dumping and immediately called the police.
Vacationing in Mexico, Massino immediately met with each of the Bonanno capos to tell them he did not know what happened to Sciascia and theorized it was a bad drug deal. However, in private, Massino reportedly remarked "It served him right for telling me how to run the family.
On July 30, 2004, Massino was convicted of seven murders, including the Sciascia murder. With prosecutors intent on asking for the death penalty, Massino quickly offered to become a government witness. On June 24, 2005, Massino confessed to ordering Sciascia's murder along with many other crimes. He was sentenced to life in prison.
On January 11, 2006, DeFilippo was indicted on several federal racketeering charges,including the Sciascia murder. However, on May 9, 2006, the jury exonerated him of the murder charge.
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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If they were doing it for Canada and Vito its weird why Vito was so upset! That speaks volumes, unless Vito was just putting on a show (which I doubt). Personally I think it was a combination of things. My cousin bought an engagement ring off Sciascia back in the early '90s. He got ripped off, to say the very least. No one misses that guy in the Bronx, that much I can tell you. As far as Canada, I couldn't tell you. Sonny_Black is a valuable source of information on Canada. Maybe he'll come out of retirement and make a post .
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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Massino acknowledged that he gave the order to kill Bonanno capo Gerlando "George from Canada" Sciascia - despite his fondness for the gangster - because Sciascia had murdered the son of a made man in Canada. http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/04/tape-in-vinny-gorgeous-trial-reveals.htmlThe cross-examination of a Mafia turncoat started quietly and predictably enough on Thursday. Joseph C. Massino, the former boss of the Bonanno crime family, spoke matter-of-factly about having to kill one of his closest associates, simply because he had disobeyed protocol. “As much as I didn’t want to kill him,” Mr. Massino said of the 1999 murder of Gerlando Sciascia, “I had to kill him.” Mr. Massino admitted that he had lied to the crime family about his involvement in the murder of Mr. Sciascia (known as George from Canada) in 1999, whose body was dumped on a Bronx street. http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/04/ex-mob-boss-tells-jury-calmly-about.htmlHere a random tidbit about Massino after he was jailed. According to Massino, he set up a panel to run the family while he was in jail that includeed Anthony "TG" Graziano, a capo named "Peter Rabbit" and the another named " Joe Saunders" otherwise known as Joseph Cammarano. Vitale was to be removed as underboss,which he was. http://tonydestefano.com/id3.htmlIt was in prison in 2004 that Mr. Massino learned from his lawyer that Mr. Basciano had appointed himself the acting boss. He acknowledged that he also heard that the “word on the street” was that the captains were unhappy with Mr. Basciano’s leadership because “he thinks he’s John Gotti.” Under questioning from Mr. Goltzer, Mr. Massino conceded that Mr. Basciano had shown disrespect by appointing himself acting boss, since Mr. Massino was technically still the boss even while in prison. He added that he could have ordered Mr. Basciano killed, but that by that time he was already cooperating with the government. http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/04/ex-mob-boss-tells-jury-calmly-about.html
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia and jewelry; his murder
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01/05/13 02:28 PM
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If they were doing it for Canada and Vito its weird why Vito was so upset! That speaks volumes, unless Vito was just putting on a show (which I doubt). Personally I think it was a combination of things. My cousin bought an engagement ring off Sciascia back in the early '90s. He got ripped off, to say the very least. No one misses that guy in the Bronx, that much I can tell you. As far as Canada, I couldn't tell you. Sonny_Black is a valuable source of information on Canada. Maybe he'll come out of retirement and make a post . PB: If you don't want to answer the following, I entirely understand. Assuming your cousin purchased the ring at a jewelry store, was John Chiazzese affiliated with this store, perhaps even the owner of the store?? Thanks in advance. _______________ On the theory of Sciascia's killing Lo Presti, the Rizzutos' ordering Lo Presti's murder, etc.: I don't buy it at all. I'll try to find time to post and summarize all the theories about Lo Presti's murder but I'll say at the outset that most online mobwatchers are unaware how stricken with grief Vito was about the murder. This grief wasn't feigned either. Of all the theories, I believe only in the one that argues Lo Presti was killed by individuals attached to the Gambino Family. On the general theory of Sciascia's being killed on the order of the Rizzutos: I don't buy it at all. On the specific theory of Sciascia's being killed because he killed the son of a made man in Montreal: Not until Massino mentioned this in his testimony did this theory emerge. What puzzles me is that both the name of the murder victim and that of his father should be fairly obvious, easily researched, etc.; yet no names have come forth, and no organized-crime experts seem to be curious about Massino's "admission."
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia and jewelry; his murder
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PB:
If you don't want to answer the following, I entirely understand.
Assuming your cousin purchased the ring at a jewelry store, was John Chiazzese affiliated with this store, perhaps even the owner of the store??
John owns Throggs Neck Jewelers, on the corner of Tremont and Greene, right across the street from Louie's Seafood. He's an okay guy. Everyone in the neighborhood uses him for engagement rings and whatnot. I should point out that my cousin purchased the ring "outside" the confines of the store, and pretty much brought the problem on himself. Gerry had a bad rep, and I'm not just saying that because he got popped.
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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If they were doing it for Canada and Vito its weird why Vito was so upset! That speaks volumes, unless Vito was just putting on a show (which I doubt). Personally I think it was a combination of things. My cousin bought an engagement ring off Sciascia back in the early '90s. He got ripped off, to say the very least. No one misses that guy in the Bronx, that much I can tell you. As far as Canada, I couldn't tell you. Sonny_Black is a valuable source of information on Canada. Maybe he'll come out of retirement and make a post . Was it the old cubic zacony trick pretending to be a diamond??Or was it the gold plated trick
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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On the specific theory of Sciascia's being killed because he killed the son of a made man in Montreal: Not until Massino mentioned this in his testimony did this theory emerge. What puzzles me is that both the name of the murder victim and that of his father should be fairly obvious, easily researched, etc.; yet no names have come forth, and no organized-crime experts seem to be curious about Massino's "admission."
Between that and saying Sonny Black wasn't killed over Brasco, is Massino turning into a problem now or something?
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia and jewelry; his murder
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PB:
If you don't want to answer the following, I entirely understand.
Assuming your cousin purchased the ring at a jewelry store, was John Chiazzese affiliated with this store, perhaps even the owner of the store??
John owns Throggs Neck Jewelers, on the corner of Tremont and Greene, right across the street from Louie's Seafood. He's an okay guy. Everyone in the neighborhood uses him for engagement rings and whatnot. I should point out that my cousin purchased the ring "outside" the confines of the store, and pretty much brought the problem on himself. Gerry had a bad rep, and I'm not just saying that because he got popped. Did he find out he got screwed after he gave it to the woman, or before? lol
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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Was it the old cubic zacony trick pretending to be a diamond??Or was it the gold plated trick Nothing so sinister. The ring was real. The guy just didn't do the right thing price wise, considering that a mutual friend made the recommendation. Did he find out he got screwed after he gave it to the woman, or before? lol He kept it and gave it to her. They're still together . George from Canada kept a few homes, right? One in Canada, one in Westchester I think, and one on Stadium Ave. in the Bronx? I know nothing about Canada except that they have free health insurance, very cold winters and they haven't won a World Series in twenty years. Not sure about his home in Westchester, either. But yeah, he owned a home in Country Club over by the water. And welcome to the boards, Sharpie .
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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George from Canada kept a few homes, right? One in Canada, one in Westchester I think, and one on Stadium Ave. in the Bronx? I know nothing about Canada except that they have free health insurance, very cold winters and they haven't won a World Series in twenty years. Not sure about his home in Westchester, either. But yeah, he owned a home in Country Club over by the water. Same street as your fancy dressing quiet friend? He needs new gutters! It looks terrible!
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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Same street as your fancy dressing quiet friend?
Not quite, but close enough .
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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Same street as your fancy dressing quiet friend?
Not quite, but close enough . You shop at the same store for you Sport Coats!!! Time Warp Fashions!
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Re: Gerlando Sciascia murder photo?
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You shop at the same store for you Sport Coats!!! Time Warp Fashions! Was that really necessary? When a plaid sport coat with different check pants are worn! You have to admit it almost looks like its a practical joke at times!
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