I by no means want to give the impression that I am rooting for them. I know families that have been ruined by the Outfit. It is sad. I just think there is more going on than what is posted on this forum. Buon Natale gentlemen.

I don't get how saying the mob isn't as violent today (which is true) made him freak out. And how does saying that make me be rooting for them

Chicago has had their share of hits in recent years - Ronnie Jarrett, Anthony Chiaramonti, and Anthony Zizzo.

99, 04, 06, right?

Does anyone think well ever see another one?

If you we're plotting frequency of mob related deaths from the 70s or 80s to today on a chart I would imagine the chart would look something like the Grand Canyon in terms of fall off.

Jarrett was shot in 1999 but succumbed to his wounds in 2000. Chiaramonti was in 2001. Zizzo disappeared in 2006.

Yeah, the drastic dropoff seems to have happened starting around 1990. Hits have been very sporadic since then.

Many claim that this reduction in hits is due to the family trying to keep a low profile, and that may be part of it, but I suspect the most important factor is so many of the really brutal, quick-to-kill gangsters in Chicago being jailed or dying of natural causes starting in the late 80s.

Yes I agree, Ivan. I think a lot of guys that we can see on charts on various mob forums today, are actually shelved. So rather than killing them for a transgression made (like they used to do back in the 1970s, 1980s or whatever) they are being put on the shelf now more frequently than ever before.

If the Outfit have only 28 made man in 2012,what about this 2010 Chart ?

Thanks for posting that Furio. I thought there was a semi-recent chart running around.

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Great chart, while many listed may not be made guys, it's clear they have way more than the 30-50 members that many say they have.

I love the fact they have a Outlaw MC liason, too funny. Also, what's with the guy in the upper left it says "aruba". Do they have interest in a casino there ?

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news&id=3936339
He's an associate who runs a casino there
A lot of people are gonna say this chart isn't accurate but it is

that chart is very visually appealing, thats one of the reasons so many people put such high stock into it. if we try to look at things objectively, there are a bunch of charts and assesments from law enforcement that are out there that differ greatly from this one, but since this chart seems to fit the agenda or wishes of some, they tend to go with this one and discredit all other sources of info.

I wouldn't say Sarno's pic is visually appealing. Haha. Guys have died from natural causes, shelved/inactive, or retired so the chart is somewhat inflated ie Maginifichi and Scalise are both shelved.

There are also many people on there who are identified by other people who are fairly knowledgable as having never been in the Outfit but merely related to members or had business with them at one time etc.

Who is a relative who isn't a criminal on that list?

That chart was compiled by a couple guys over on the Real Deal forum. It's a well made chart but anyone can do it. It doesn't change the fact that the FBI cited 28 members and a little over 100 associates in 2007. Internet posters can make all the charts and list all the members they want but, in the end, it really doesn't matter. What the FBI says holds far more weight.

The chart is REALLY generous in its definition of "associate", and it goes ahead and lists the "not made but de facto made" associates as "soldiers". I think it's fairly accurate otherwise.

I think and it is my impression that The Outfit is different from the other families of the American Mafia, first of all, there has never been in Chicago like in New York a high concentration of Italians, and also in Chicago in 1931 there only one family: The Chicago Outfit or the Capone gang, in addition having always occupied of all the racket, except for drugs and having to the 50s until 1986 controlled the best casinos in Las Vegas. The Outfit has been able to focus on quality as well as the number of its members, so it could reorganize leaving power in the older members taking the low the numbers of made man and increasing enormously the number of the associates, in fact until Calabrese Sr flips and although even now reduced to a number that varies from 28 to 60 made man, the Chicago Outfit maintains a certain political power and can be considered as the most active family outside New York.

Hey guys jut something I wanted to Input, this was posted on another recent outfit thread by Johnynonose and it's the "28" made guys I believe that we're cited
At family secrets .1. Joseph Andriacchi
2. Dominic Basso
3. Robert Bellavia
4. Frank Calabrese
5. Bruno Caruso
6. Frank Caruso
7. Leo Caruso
8. Marco D'Amico
9. John DiFronzo
10. Joseph DiFronzo
11. Peter M. DiFronzo
12. Salvatore DeLaurentis
13. Rudolph Fratto
14. Michael Gurgone
15. James Inendino
16. Joseph Frank LaMantia
17. Joseph Lombardo
18. Rocco Lombardo
19. Michael Magnifichi
20. James Marcello
21. Louis Marino
22. John Matassa
23. Salvatore Muserino
24. Albert Roverio
25. Michael Spano Sr.
26. John Eugene Spizzirri
27. Richard Allen Spizzirri
28. Michael C. Talarico

LuanKuci in Chicago there are more Italian like New York?
tell me if I write a mistake.

NYC definitely has a larger Italian population but Chicago still has a large amount of Italians also.

Dominick Basso died in 2001, Salvatore Roverio died in 2003, and Salvatore Muserino died in 2004. So they wouldn't have been among the 28 members cited later. And Al Tornebene hadn't died yet so he would have been. On top of that, Mike Sarno would have been on that list. Probably Salvatore Cautadella too.

Does anyone have more info on the carusos?? Besides frank jr beating the black kid and all that?

Frank, Bruno, and Leo, as well as Joey Lombardo's kid, were kicked out of the Laborers Union back in 2001. Frank is said to still be the boss of the 26th Street crew. His son-in-law, video poker "kingpin" Casey Szaflarski, was involved in the Sarno indictment.

And Szaflarski's daughter married Caruso's son.

i wish i still had that fbi chart from either 2008, 2009, or 2010 ( i cant remember the exact year) but on that chart it said there were between 50-80 made men in chicago (active, in jail, or inactive)

the chart was saved on a different computer

it listed difronzo as boss, andriacchi as streetboss, and d'amico as consigliere