pizzas right. the one thing i give john props for,is being a loyal and having balls. its one thing to kill a guy. its one thing to kill two guys. it is one thing to kill two guys without the boss.but to kill the boss and his under?then take over himself?balls.balls.balls. he was respected for that. i think there was a 'mutual' fear between the chin and gotti. the 'chin' was the only one with the juice to take out gotti. and gotti was the only one with balls enough to take a shot at the chin.lol.

john had a lot of 'supporters'. honestly he was a 'lovable' guy. ive seen him twice in my life. we were 'formally' introduced at the old casa calamari. the 'nose' introduced us. he knew my father as well as he was friends with oneil. he was 'larger than life'.so to speak. he reminded me of that popular kid in high school that always had a bunch of kids around him. asking him 'hows the wine john', 'nice tie john'....from everything ive heard.mostly from a friend of mine from h.b.,said he helped a lot of people in his neighborhood. just handing out money or food. i believe it. my father told me we should watch the procession. must have been ten thousand people lined up and down the road there in ozp and hb. [crossbay blvd i think i dont know queens].people crying, you would have thought it was princess diana.lol.

a lot of guys didnt like him though. the brothers from canarsie, the cherry hill guys. honestly,he had more balls than brains. in fact,a lot more.lol. like pizza says, the whole 'no plea' thing is rediculous.lol. the gambino brothers said 'fuck that' and took a plea.lol. if he was to see his family now hed be furious. the most powerful guys are the guys he never trusted.lol. truthfully,he wasnt smart enough to ever be picked 'legitamately' as boss. im not saying he wasnt smart, but it takes a certain personality to be boss with out destroying the family in the process.

No problem man. It was getting bad here for awhile. Haha were you around when mobguy was a regular poster? I've never beheld such a whackjob before

is throggs neck italian still pizzaboy?

when did the Italians leave Belmont? 80's/90's??

Seems like that's when most Italian neighborhoods started to become less Italian. I wonder why?

really? he didnt look that old in the picture

Part of my parents old neighborhood in Little Italy (Chicago) fell victim to UIC (University of Illinois @ Chicago) expansion, Nicky. The part of Aberdeen Street that used to link up to West Harrison was completely razed and turned into a huge parking lot for UIC students/staff. It is the part of Aberdeen that used to have Joey Di Buono's (Tufano's Vernon Park Tap/Restaurant) grandparent's bakery. That street had several apartment buildings that were all Italian families with three generations in some cases. Most of them moved out to Cicero & Berwyn but my folks chose to move to a big up and coming new suburb called Barber's Corners... later named Bolingbrook.

Apologies for off topic but it just shows how some neighborhoods change in big cities. Ironic thing about this is that it still is a great neighborhood with a lot of Italian influence and main stays to this day. It always made me wonder how my life may have turned out if my folks never had to leave that street.

anyone reading an wants to be a member of these boards should read an pay attention for a while before signing up..I learned just by reading ppl like ivy an pizzaboy

Do you know who Mickey Generoso is (the guy next to him)? Can't find much about him.

He's retired. Chucky took over his crew from what I understand.

Mickey literally has to be almost a hundred years old now. But he was a fucking powerhouse in his day.

PB, the chucky you mentioned, is it possibly Chucky Tuzzo?

thanks hairy.yes thats charles tuzzo.'chuckie'. he was also called 'chickie',but he was much younger then.lol.

i never knew mickeys dad jimmy was an 'uptown' guy.who did he answer to?

mick was big into numbers. he owned a 'bank'. the 'bank' is basically a central office where bets were deposited and winners paid out.a lot of bets [like sports] were taken 'on credit', your customers could all pay up at the end of the week. a 'bank' needs enough money on hand to pay winners off for a week before collecting there debts. he had a 'runner' named 'zane'.lol. zane used to be the 'notoriously worst' card cheat youve ever seen. he usef to pull these old scams at games all over the place.mickey probably represented that guy in more fucking sit downs than he could count.he was 'banned' from carmine's place on 18th as well as 'pineys' after hours joint on cropsey. once zane got his wife to phone in a 'bomb threat' on a game where he was up a few hundred dollars.lol! the cops came, arrested everyone [including zane],took everyones money.lol. that was zane though,'one step forward, two steps back'.

jesus sorry to rant fellas.

Yes, Hairy. That's the guy.

yeah.lol. honestly all of gottis 'attempts at logic' sounded fucking retarded to me. that whole 'i dont lie bc i dont fear anyone',lol. pretty sound advice there john.lol.

John Gotti didn't fear anyone. If he was going to be murdered and there was no way out of it then he would face it like he faced his prison sentence. Alot of trouble was caused by him because he was a very blunt man and told it how it was.