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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #828233
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I'm much more curious about Calabrese's unnamed associate.

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If u dont like it don't post. There are plenty of other threads for u.

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My point is it was on the front page of the Trib like it was some big mob story. Honestly these things that wouldn't have even been worth mentioning 40 years ago get 20 inches of column.

I just mean that there is no good mob related news to write about so they blow up the smallest thing in order to sell papers.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
My point is it was on the front page of the Trib like it was some big mob story. Honestly these things that wouldn't have even been worth mentioning 40 years ago get 20 inches of column.

I just mean that there is no good mob related news to write about so they blow up the smallest thing in order to sell papers.


You mean like this exciting front page article from Feb 1975

Policy chief's estate case an 11-year game

It's easy to aggrandize the past by filtering out the little stuff, but from the newspapers point of view this is a good story.
It involves Outfit bosses, rare antiques formerly in the posession of celebrities, avarice and subterfuge by a member of the clergy, and clandestine meetings in a dimly lit trattoria.

If they had found the violin, we would be hearing about a movie deal for the story.

Granted, it's not as exciting as the days when trunk music was bigger than disco, but it's a lot more interesting than this mob news from NYC.

Mafia resurgence feared after Port Authority policy change

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Whoop de do. There was a lot going on with the Outfit in 1975. If you think anyone comparing Outfit activity in that era versus today is aggrandizing anything you are beyond delusional.

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It isnt what it was anywhere. Wishing for the past is delusional.

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Guys, I used to be in the newspaper business years ago. I can tell you this; mob stories sell papers. Period. Especially Outfit stuff in the city - No matter how minor the details. Calabrese to Chicago is like what Gotti is to NY media.

If you look at all this from a media perspective, there has been quite a dry spell regarding Outfit stories in Chicago since the final sentencing phase of the Family Secrets Trial. Sure, there were the minor followup things regarding Calabrese, Lombardo, etc. But for the most part, Chuck Goudie and John Kass haven't had much to report these days.

So, when a story involving The Outfit, a priest, a mobster, secret messages and a violin worth a fortune make news, you will see the local papers salivate and write the hell out of it. Remember, newspapers are fighting for their livelihoods and relevance these days. The Sun-Times is currently whacking employees faster than Jimmy Burke after the Lufthansa heist.

I didn't post the Trib story to cause any problems here and I understand that it wasn't exactly earth shaking news. Apologies for any agita.

Tribune's John Kass was talking about this on WLS yesterday and was telling a story about him and another newspaper guy who walked into an Italian-American Club in Little Italy a few years ago. They engaged in some small talk pleasantries with one of the "senior members" when the other reporter asked him about a specific news event regarding Outfit business. Kass said the "senior member" clammed up and wouldn't answer several other questions that followed. The other reporter then asked the alleged mobster, "You aren't going to answer me about any of this, are you?" To which the older fella replied, "You can't catch a fish if he don't open his mouth." lol

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Originally Posted By: slick
It isnt what it was anywhere. Wishing for the past is delusional.

Don't waste your time.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: jonnynonos] #828736
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Whoop de do. There was a lot going on with the Outfit in 1975. If you think anyone comparing Outfit activity in that era versus today is aggrandizing anything you are beyond delusional.



Are you not happy unless you're complaining about something?

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Carol Stream printing company executive was convicted Friday of hiring a team of tough guys to travel the country and use threats and intimidation to collect debts on his behalf.


Mark Dziuban, 54, showed no reaction as the jury's verdict was announced that he was guilty on three of four counts of extortion. After Dziuban's lawyers warned against any outbursts, his family cried quietly in U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang's courtroom gallery as the jury filed out.

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Dziuban, who remains free on bond, faces up to 20 years in prison, but with no criminal background he's likely to receive a much lighter sentence.

Prosecutors said Dziuban, who at the time was the vice president of sales at American Litho in Carol Stream, plotted with his friend, Frank Orlando, 48, to get back money he believed was owed on loans to several other businessmen in Chicago and elsewhere.

Prosecutors said Orlando and and Robert McManus, 44, enlisted the help of pizzeria owner Paul Carparelli, who in turn hired beefy former union bodyguard George Brown and plumbing contractor Vito Iozzo to help him get the job done.


Brown, 51, and Iozzo, 43, each pleaded guilty last year to one count of conspiracy to commit extortion, admitting their roles in several collection attempts that had them jetting off to Wisconsin and New Jersey to find debtors, including one in which a victim was beaten.

Orlando and McManus were convicted in October.

In one extortion that was unrelated to Dzuiban or his company, Brown and Iozzo marched into the owner's office at a Chicago granite company looking to collect on a $500,000 debt, according to Brown's plea agreement with prosecutors.

On Brown's signal, a third man whacked the victim on the head, knocking him to the floor, authorities alleged.

"I told the granite guy, 'Hey mother (expletive), this isn't going to go away,'" Brown admitted in a written statement filed in federal court.

"I hit the granite guy in the head and then (the third man) kicked him. I told the granite guy that we had his phone number and that we would be calling him."

In the Wisconsin case, Dziuban flew Brown and Iozzo on a private plane to Appleton to confront a business owner about a $100,000 debt his company allegedly owed to American Litho, prosecutors said.

The Wisconsin victim testified during the October trial that he and Dziuban met alone in the back room of a Fuddruckers and he offered to hand over a special-edition Ford Mustang as partial payment. Brown and Iozzo walked in, pulled up chairs beside him and started making threats, saying they wouldn't forget the money he owed and "are not nice when they don't get when they want," the victim said.

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Originally Posted By: Mark
Guys, I used to be in the newspaper business years ago. I can tell you this; mob stories sell papers. Period. Especially Outfit stuff in the city - No matter how minor the details. Calabrese to Chicago is like what Gotti is to NY media.

If you look at all this from a media perspective, there has been quite a dry spell regarding Outfit stories in Chicago since the final sentencing phase of the Family Secrets Trial. Sure, there were the minor followup things regarding Calabrese, Lombardo, etc. But for the most part, Chuck Goudie and John Kass haven't had much to report these days.

So, when a story involving The Outfit, a priest, a mobster, secret messages and a violin worth a fortune make news, you will see the local papers salivate and write the hell out of it. Remember, newspapers are fighting for their livelihoods and relevance these days. The Sun-Times is currently whacking employees faster than Jimmy Burke after the Lufthansa heist.

I didn't post the Trib story to cause any problems here and I understand that it wasn't exactly earth shaking news. Apologies for any agita.

Tribune's John Kass was talking about this on WLS yesterday and was telling a story about him and another newspaper guy who walked into an Italian-American Club in Little Italy a few years ago. They engaged in some small talk pleasantries with one of the "senior members" when the other reporter asked him about a specific news event regarding Outfit business. Kass said the "senior member" clammed up and wouldn't answer several other questions that followed. The other reporter then asked the alleged mobster, "You aren't going to answer me about any of this, are you?" To which the older fella replied, "You can't catch a fish if he don't open his mouth." lol


Thanks Mark. I wholeheartedly agree. My post came off as snarky; that was not my intent. It was intended to be more "business as usual" from the media perspective. I considered posting the link myself.

I apologize if I offended anyone!

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: jonnynonos] #828831
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Thanks Mark. I wholeheartedly agree. My post came off as snarky; that was not my intent. It was intended to be more "business as usual" from the media perspective. I considered posting the link myself.

I apologize if I offended anyone!

No worries, jonny. It's all good. I wonder where that violin is these days?..

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #828840
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My guess is the Feds may have already found it, or it still may be in the house.

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My guess is the Feds may have already found it, or it still may be in the house.

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Originally Posted By: slick
My guess is the Feds may have already found it, or it still may be in the house.

If I remember correctly, the feds raided Sr.'s house a few years ago and found a ton of cash and jewelry hidden behind a picture on the wall in the basement. Did they just target that or was it a whole house search?

Edit... I found it.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2011431877_apuschicagomobsecretstash.html

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Didn't see it posted anywhere, but Burnstein has a new article about Lou Marino.
http://gangsterreport.com/marino-tapped-look-north-suburbs-chicago-mob/

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Suburban dad gets 4 years for acting as middleman in extortion racket
Posted: 04/07/2015, 04:18pm | Kim Janssen

Prosecution sentencing memo for Frank Orlando | Court document
A suburban dad who introduced an Outfit-connected tough guy to a businessman who wanted some debts collected has been sentenced to nearly four years in prison for conspiring to set up an extortion scheme.

Frank Orlando, 49, of Schaumburg, was on Tuesday handed a 46-month sentence after he gave an emotional apology to the scheme’s victims and his family, confessing to U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang that he was “a selfish alcoholic who only thought of himself.”

Orlando was convicted at trial last year after evidence showed that he introduced Carol Stream printing firm boss Mark Dziuban to reputed Outfit figure Paul Carparelli after Dziuban told him he was having trouble collecting business debts. Carparelli, in turn, hired former union bodyguard George Brown and plumber Vito Iozzo to act as muscle on Dziuban’s behalf, the feds say.

A tearful Orlando broke down in court Tuesday, telling the judge that he finally realized that what he had done was wrong only when he heard the terrified testimony of one of the victims who was shaken down by Brown and Iozzo.

“His testimony was so compelling,” the sobbing Orlando said. “Nobody should be so afraid over money — I knew right then that I did something wrong.”

Chang gave Orlando credit for belatedly taking responsibility for his crimes, refusing to impose the sentence of up to six years that prosecutors had sought and adding that he believed that Orlando is the devoted family man his relatives paint him as.


But the judge said Orlando was “exceptionally callous” when he was caught on tape in a federal sting, laughing about the supposed beating of a bad debtor. He told Orlando that society “decided long ago that we’re going to try to resolve these disputes not in the street but in the halls of justice.”

Chang also said he hoped that the sentence would “send a strong message to the business community” that violence was no way to settle debts.

Orlando, who said he was drunk and “out of my mind, honestly,” when he set the scheme in motion, appeared relieved at the sentence. He waved and smiled to relatives as he was led away to begin serving his time.

Dziuban is due to be sentenced in June. Carparelli has yet to stand trial.

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What's with these guys sobbing in court? Obrien would shit.

Don't think Caparelli has much of a chance to beat his case.

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Yeah, I don't think anyone in the Family Secrets trial cried, and most of them got Life. I think this guy just knew some Outfit guys, he wasn't really Outfit himself. I think Carparelli is screwed. I wonder what happened with Luigi Sardones' trial? I haven't seen anything about it.

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Originally Posted By: slick
Yeah, I don't think anyone in the Family Secrets trial cried, and most of them got Life. I think this guy just knew some Outfit guys, he wasn't really Outfit himself. I think Carparelli is screwed. I wonder what happened with Luigi Sardones' trial? I haven't seen anything about it.

Think Sarno was crying during his sentencing too.

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Yeah, I don't think anyone in the Family Secrets trial cried, and most of them got Life. I think this guy just knew some Outfit guys, he wasn't really Outfit himself. I think Carparelli is screwed. I wonder what happened with Luigi Sardones' trial? I haven't seen anything about it.

Think Sarno was crying during his sentencing too.


johnny s did it to. video-proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGLFPZj7O6k

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Johnny Sack lol. I wish there was video proof of Sarno crying, now that would be funny!

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Yeah, I don't think anyone in the Family Secrets trial cried, and most of them got Life. I think this guy just knew some Outfit guys, he wasn't really Outfit himself. I think Carparelli is screwed. I wonder what happened with Luigi Sardones' trial? I haven't seen anything about it.

Think Sarno was crying during his sentencing too.


johnny s did it to. video-proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGLFPZj7O6k


Haha the look on Phil's face after Johnny Sack starts crying is fuckin priceless. "I'll tell ya one thing and I'm not ashamed to say it. My estimation of John Sacramoni as a man just fuckin' plummeted."

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Yeah, I don't think anyone in the Family Secrets trial cried, and most of them got Life. I think this guy just knew some Outfit guys, he wasn't really Outfit himself. I think Carparelli is screwed. I wonder what happened with Luigi Sardones' trial? I haven't seen anything about it.

Think Sarno was crying during his sentencing too.


johnny s did it to. video-proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGLFPZj7O6k

haha forgot about that episode. Then they all dog him lol

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