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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #760972
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Found this while I was browsing. Supposedly, it is an excerpt from a 302 report indicating Outfit members which could potentially pose a threat to Nick Calabrese, who had just turned government witness. John DiFronzo is notable for his absence. The list is circa 2002, so that explains the imprisoned/dead guys.

1. Michael Marcello
2. Frank "Toots" Caruso
3. Aldo Piscitelli
4. James Inendino
5. Michael Sarno
6. Michael Spano Sr.
7. Paul Spano
8. Joseph Andriacchi
9. Joseph Lombardo
10. Alphonse Tornabene
11. Rudolph "Rudy" Fratto
12. Peter DiFronzo
13. Michael Magnafichi
14. John Matassa
15. Dino Marino
16. Anthony Zizzo


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In 2002, the average age of a guy on this list was about 65. I wonder if the government meant these people specifically, or people in their respective crews.

The only four guys in 2002 under 50 years old on this list were Sarno, Magnafichi, Matassa and Marino.

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If Ferriola is one of Solly D's top LT's, I have several questions:

1) Wouldn't this mean that Ferriola was made either before or after federal prison?

2) When did he switch from 26th St. to Cicero and why if he worked for 26th St. under Calabrese was he switched to a new crew rather than under Caruso?

3) Who is in Ferriola's crew?

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Don't know how many of you are banned from RD but someone started a thread calling Solly D the top street boss and Nick Ferriola as one of his top lieutenants. He also posted two recent pics of them.

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Of course they meant in terms of influence

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Nick Ferriola is certainly active and probably up there in the Cicero crew, which his father used to run.

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You would think that with the recent attrition in the Outfit that Nick would almost certainly have to be made by now. Then again, you never know.


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The Naperville crew is so good no one has even mentioned them

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New ANP has Don Herion on it.

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Was Mario Rainone shelved after almost beefing?

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Was Mario Rainone shelved after almost beefing?


I can't imagine he was totally shelved after doing 15. They had to let him earn. Hell he's still not beefing (yet) and the Feds nailed him on a BS gun charge for 15 to life.

Talks about some BS, you clip someone, cop a plea and get less than that. They got a .357 in his nightstand. Whoop de doo.

They must think they can get him to flip this time.

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Was Mario Rainone shelved after almost beefing?


The fact the guy was caught out doing burglaries at his age with Rudy Fratto's dumbfuck brother-in-law probably proves yes...he was stripped of all his rackets. Mario was a major player in the 1980s with Jimmy LaValley. At this point, he was just trying to make ends meet any way he could. I believe his ex-wife went on to marry Billy Daddono who is still a serious guy and that is probably why Mario's son continues to hang around Outfit types without getting slapped around.

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Eric, any chance of you posting pictures or stories about your Grandpa?

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That ANP picture is driving me crazy. The car on the right is a '55 Chevy, and the one on the left is a '53 I believe, so it was likely taken in the mid to late 50s.

Besides Accardo, Amato, and DiVarco, this a tough friggin assignment. Most of the possibilities there there just aren't many/any photographs of to compare to, especially in that time frame.

From your and others' guesses, we know Cerone, Solano, Dibella, Prio, Brancato, Nuccio, Depietto, and Gagliano are NOT in the pic.

I have a feeling that if just one more can be ID'd, the others might follow fairly quickly. I also have a creeping suspicion that the lack of photos of certain prominent 70s Outfit figures during this time frame is making it a little tougher than it actually is -- comparing pics of old guys to this late 50's shot is frustrating to say the least.

Here's who I'm currently trying to eliminate: Blasi, Daddano, Buccieri (very doubtful there), Messino, Annoreno, Catuara, Ciapetta, and even LaPietra and Infelice.

A little help?

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I think that's Cerone's bald head with the hidden face. What makes you think its not?

I think you're dead on about the time frame...cars are definitely 50s models. Considering where Fosco got it, one of them is likely to be Romie Nappi..no?

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From Snakes earlier in the thread:

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For what it's worth, I made a guess but Accardo, Black Joe, and Caesar DiVarco were the only three I know I got right as Joe replied to my e-mail saying I only got three. I also guessed Prio (guy with cigar), Solano (guy sitting on bench), Cerone (as the bald guy not facing the camera), and (for lack of any better guess) DiBella, even though none of the remaining guys resemble him.


The others can be discounted by cross-referencing his guesses with others on the ANP thread.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
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Was Mario Rainone shelved after almost beefing?


The fact the guy was caught out doing burglaries at his age with Rudy Fratto's dumbfuck brother-in-law probably proves yes...he was stripped of all his rackets. Mario was a major player in the 1980s with Jimmy LaValley. At this point, he was just trying to make ends meet any way he could. I believe his ex-wife went on to marry Billy Daddono who is still a serious guy and that is probably why Mario's son continues to hang around Outfit types without getting slapped around.


While I won't completely disagree these guys will do just about anything if they think its an easy score. What about the old guys breaking into the dead guys house a couple years ago looking for the marlborough diamond?

I don't think any of them are mensa members.

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From Snakes earlier in the thread:

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For what it's worth, I made a guess but Accardo, Black Joe, and Caesar DiVarco were the only three I know I got right as Joe replied to my e-mail saying I only got three. I also guessed Prio (guy with cigar), Solano (guy sitting on bench), Cerone (as the bald guy not facing the camera), and (for lack of any better guess) DiBella, even though none of the remaining guys resemble him.


The others can be discounted by cross-referencing his guesses with others on the ANP thread.


Yeah, unless I am wrong about one of Accardo, Amato, and DiVarco - which I don't think I am - then that can't be Cerone.


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Interesting. He hasn't said when he'll be announcing the identities. Again, I would have to think one of them is Nappi since he got the picture from one of his relatives. I'm not sure what Nappi looks like though.

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He told me a couple of days ago that he would be doing it in... a couple of days. So I expect that he will be revealing it shortly. One of them could very well be Nappi but I don't believe there are any images of him on the web, at least none that I could find. I wouldn't discount Fosco's father being one of those pictured, either.


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Originally Posted By: EricKumerow
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Was Mario Rainone shelved after almost beefing?


The fact the guy was caught out doing burglaries at his age with Rudy Fratto's dumbfuck brother-in-law probably proves yes...he was stripped of all his rackets. Mario was a major player in the 1980s with Jimmy LaValley. At this point, he was just trying to make ends meet any way he could. I believe his ex-wife went on to marry Billy Daddono who is still a serious guy and that is probably why Mario's son continues to hang around Outfit types without getting slapped around.


While I won't completely disagree these guys will do just about anything if they think its an easy score. What about the old guys breaking into the dead guys house a couple years ago looking for the marlborough diamond?

I don't think any of them are mensa members.


Actually Scalise and Rachel are extremely intelligent:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2012/The-Mobs-Last-Gasp/

I think the issue with these three is that they were addicted to the "score" and simply couldn't stop.

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This is a good article. I had the first page saved, but somehow missed the other four pages.

Thanks for sharing.

Would you care to comment on the second page relative to the statements about Accardo? I would be interested in your thoughts.



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Was Mario Rainone shelved after almost beefing?


The fact the guy was caught out doing burglaries at his age with Rudy Fratto's dumbfuck brother-in-law probably proves yes...he was stripped of all his rackets. Mario was a major player in the 1980s with Jimmy LaValley. At this point, he was just trying to make ends meet any way he could. I believe his ex-wife went on to marry Billy Daddono who is still a serious guy and that is probably why Mario's son continues to hang around Outfit types without getting slapped around.


While I won't completely disagree these guys will do just about anything if they think its an easy score. What about the old guys breaking into the dead guys house a couple years ago looking for the marlborough diamond?

I don't think any of them are mensa members.


Actually Scalise and Rachel are extremely intelligent:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2012/The-Mobs-Last-Gasp/

I think the issue with these three is that they were addicted to the "score" and simply couldn't stop.

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Still hoping to get 7 before he announces. I too have had no luck finding a pic of Nappi, but I don't see Fosco's dad unless he's the guy with the load in his pants.

I do, however, think I may have spotted one more: sitting on the table to the right of Accardo, is that not Donald Angelini?

The guy in the white hat is driving me nutso.

Who else had male pattern baldness a la Cerone back then?

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I don't think Angelini had enough weight in the 1950s to sit with these guys. Same goes for DiVarco, who probably didn't have white hair yet in the 1950s and was still working for the Three Doms under Ross Prio.

The bald guy could be Paul Ricca, but I still think its Cerone.

The guy with sunglasses could be Ralph Pierce or Frank "Cease" Zizzo.


Here are the guys I am positive about (and would bet money on in case any of you fellas want to wager):

Rocco Pranno (who ran the west side) is sitting to JB's left, on the table, with his back to the others and smiling.

The guy behind him (who looks like he is blowing dice) I believe is Rocco Fischetti.

Dominic "Little Libby" Nuccio is the guy on the right side with his legs crossed staring directly at the camera and smiling. He also has the wings in his hair.

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I would just find it odd that Accardo is hanging out with Taylor Street guys (like Pranno) in the 1950's. Could be wrong.

The guy to the right of Accardo has to be Amato, right? I'm still not convinced that the guy with the glasses isn't DiVarco; it could be light brown hair instead of gray for all we know. I was thinking the guy blowing dice or smoking or whatever was Fischetti, but never quite decided for sure. The guy with the crossed legs could very well be Nuccio.

So let's say we have DiVarco, Nuccio, and Fischetti - that's three North Side guys which makes some sense because the area they are possibly in was north of Chicago.

It's tough because these guys are doing what we normally don't see them do - smile. That's in stark contrast to the mugshots and courtroom scenes that we normally see them in.


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I don't think the guys in the photo necessarily have to be heavyweights, either. Accardo and Cerone are the only two we've mentioned so far that could be considered as such during this time period. Amato and DiVarco would have been roughly equals at this time, IMO.

Edit: I changed my mind: I just saw a picture of DiVarco at the Senate Rackets Committee in '58, roughly around the time period of this photo, and he has black hair.

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Was Mario Rainone shelved after almost beefing?


The fact the guy was caught out doing burglaries at his age with Rudy Fratto's dumbfuck brother-in-law probably proves yes...he was stripped of all his rackets. Mario was a major player in the 1980s with Jimmy LaValley. At this point, he was just trying to make ends meet any way he could. I believe his ex-wife went on to marry Billy Daddono who is still a serious guy and that is probably why Mario's son continues to hang around Outfit types without getting slapped around.


While I won't completely disagree these guys will do just about anything if they think its an easy score. What about the old guys breaking into the dead guys house a couple years ago looking for the marlborough diamond?

I don't think any of them are mensa members.


Actually Scalise and Rachel are extremely intelligent:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2012/The-Mobs-Last-Gasp/

I think the issue with these three is that they were addicted to the "score" and simply couldn't stop.

Good article. Author quite strongly points out that Scalise and the others don't fear retribution. Think he misses the point....why would the current day outfit hit them over LaPietra, who has been dead now for 14 years?

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Well, I think he is juxtaposing it with the infamous Accardo burglary and resultant massacre.

In my estimation you are right, though: The mob is a ruthless organization, and from what I can tell wouldn't have any alligience whatsoever to the daughters, sons etc. of former gangsters.

But the author probably isn't quite aware of that.

Reichel and Scalise were.

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The DiVarco hair I've been questioning all along - he still had black hair then -- so discount him.

I think you're right about that being Cerone. He's the 3rd that Fosco's confirmed unofficially, then.

Sunglasses is more likely Pierce than Zizzo. Zizzo had a fat face already then.

I've reconsidered on Angelini, as he was a bit young then, in retrospect. Pranno I'll take your word for. Fischetti does sorta resemble that guy, and his age at that time jibes.

Nuccio, though, was born in 1895, so I do NOT think that's him. The person in question does not appear to be pushing 60-65 years of age.

So we have Accardo, Amato, Pranno, Cerone, Fischetti and maybe Pierce. Getting there maybe?


EDIT: Per the guy you think is Nuccio, take a close look and tell me if that couldn't possibly be Johnny Roselli? How crazy would that be?

Another edit: Also, per the guy we've accepted as Amato all along actually be Torello? If so, this is looking more like a Taylor St affair.

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Here's something to consider: If Jack Cerone was there, there's probably a decent chance that his brother Skippy is too.


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I would just find it odd that Accardo is hanging out with Taylor Street guys (like Pranno) in the 1950's. Could be wrong.


Totally agree. But a case might be made that it's predominantly Taylor:

1. Accardo (easy)
2. Torello (not Amato as we've presumed)
3. Ricca (not Cerone; I think Cerone's hair was darker at that time)
4. Pranno (as noted before, just to the right of JB, sitting on the table)
5. Roselli (not Nuccio; he was their Hollywood guy at the time, no? Perhaps he was in town for the occasion?)
6. Buccieri (not the guy you think is Fischetti; I'm grasping at straws here perhaps -- is Chuckie English a possibility?)
7. LaPietra (in the white hat)
8. Nappi (immediate foreground with shades and cigar; it would make sense and he does have a Fosco chin).

Constructive criticism is of course welcomed!

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