Let's say that upon the death of Neil Dellacroce in 1985, Paul Castellano appointed John Gotti and Tommy Gambino as dual Underbosses, instead of Tommy Bilotti. And let's say that part of that deal would be that Tommy would become Acting Boss with Gotti as Underboss if Paul was sent away to prison in the Commission trial.

Would John have accepted such a deal, being a dual Underboss with Tommy, and then being Tommy's Underboss on the event that Paul went to the can?

Or say Paul named Frank DeCicco the new Underboss when Neil died, would Gotti have accepted that?

Why would Castellano want Gotti or Tommy G as his underboss? And Tommy isn't a street guy anymore than Castellano was, so I don't see Gotti liking him. I've said before that Castellano would of been wise to name DeCiccio as his underboss. DeCiccio was close to Castellano and respected by Gotti.

another name what if paul picked jimmy brown as underboss. he served in the early 70tys as carlo's acting boss before big paul, i dont think gotti and friends make a move on him. he was super respected. whats weird is that billotti, jimmy brown and a bunch of others were under a rico indictment that really doesnt seem to be alot of press on. jimmy brown beat the case, tommy b. got wacked there was a bunch of others indicted with them cause of pauls whitehouse tapes i think d.b. was indicted with them,he got wacked to. i read jimmy brown beat his trial cause he never utterd a word in big pauls house but was a frequent visitor. gotti couldnt kill tommy gambino he seems like they had a close relationship. the others famiyls all would have put out hit teams for respect to carlo gambino i tihnk, even the zips. maybe why none of colombo's kids got wacked, for going against persico.

I agree with Ted. Frank was admired by Gotti and both didn't have any issues with each other. I don't know if Gotti would of made a move on Tommy. I mean, When Carlo died I think Castellano promised his son would of been taken care off and his family. Alot of the Gambino family members had ALOT of respect for Carlo Gambino and also the other Five Families so I think Gotti wouldn't of made it. His crew would either easily give up, die fast or if they were convicted of anything Gotti would be alone and would be an easy target. If it was any other person I know that Johnny G would make his move though Castellano would be pis*ed off alot. To be fair, John promoted his men and told them in a "Thank You" manner for whatever they did where as Castellano was used to it being in his hands.

Gotti wouldn't hve been any1s underboss.sammy said him and decicco talkd about it and were gonna kill gotti after a year if he didn't work out

Can't trust anyone, huh.

gotti's ego was too big. he would have made a play even if neil was boss.

According to Sammy he wanted to kill Gotti and Frank to be boss but Frank persuaded him to give Gotti a year as you said by then Frank was dead.

Some of your comments here and in the shoutbox baffle me. Are you trolling ?

am i what? gotti would have probably turned on anyone who was boss is the point i am making, regardless of whether it was neil who he did respect

Fair enough

He only took Castellano out because he knew his time was short. Big Paul was pissed because of the Ruggiero tapes and less we forget JG brother Gene was a major drug dealer too. I think Paul hated the whole Bergin crew.

To think the JG was anywhere on Paul's radar for a promotion is a joke.

I thought Tommy Gambino was a garment industry executive back then, not a street guy at all...

@ Azguy - I don't believe that for one minute. If Gotti kept refusing to give the tapes, Castellano could of easily sent DeMeo or any other hotshot killer for that matter or could address The Commission. If someone refused once to Big Paul Castellano, They wouldn't be alive the next morning.

John didn't like Castellano. Gotti wanted to become boss, earn a little more and have more power. Sit on The Commission and be somebody. I guess he didn't like being told what to do.

I don't think so. Gotti never went on the offensive with people he truly feared. He never had the balls or conviction to go after Gigante because he knew he couldn't win that one. No way in hell. So getting back to my original point, I think he truly feared Neil. He wouldn't have had the balls---or more importantly, the support of the soldiers---to turn on Neil.

Exactly

Not quite. According to Sammy's book, Sammy wanted Frank to be boss, but he declined. He thought John's ego was too big to accept anyone but himself as boss. So they agreed to let John become boss and to kill him in a year if it didn't work out.

@pizzaboy. one hundred percent right! della croce was a real force in ny. one of the last 'o.g.'s.lol. but thats exactly what he was, he was an original. and he loved john, i cant see john not getting a 'pass' for angie. look how angry gotti was after paul refused to show for niels funeral. neil was loved, by everyone. he was the kind of old timer who you would ask his permission to cross the street, just to show respect.lol. he was a 'vito corleone' figure, an old timer who didnt refuse 'favors'. if neil had stayed alive, so would paul. in my opinion. with paul there gotti was safe, and on his 'leash'.

@az guy, you are right. i believe there was a mutual disliking between both paul and john. and between paul not coming to neils funeral and the tapes, he had enough to convince a few others to 'switch' with him. the ting is, all wiseguys, there bizmen. to johns face they say 'im with you'. if something goes wrong, 'it was john'. if it goes to plan, 'good work guys'.lol. a bunch of snakes.

-mobguy. demeo was dead in 83, paul died in 85. but you knew that.

Okay, Why are you telling me this? I haven't added any dates but people like you don't read. I forgot, sorry.

as i said. it would be impossible for roy to kill john gotti when he is dead. i hope you have a ghost writer for your book.

Here I thought you or maybe andrew where IMA's alter ego but who knows Great Pun

Thats another bullshit story by Gravano.They Had 5 years and didnt kill him JG wasnt working out he was bringing too much attenetion on himself.The reason they didnt whack him is because he let his guys do whatever they wanted and wasnt greedy.If Gotti was greedy that would of been a reason to whack him and say that they did it because of the atttention he was bringing.But the guys in the gambinos probably loved the fact that gotti didnt give a fuck what they were doing and wasnt asking for much $$$ in return

I think Gotti should have excepted Paul's overtures to rule as a power sharing administration. He, Tommy Gambino and Tommy Bilotti could've been on a ruling panel until Paul was sentenced and shipped upstate. Then John could have made his move. I doubt very much if the Chin and Tony Ducks would've put out a contract on Gotti if he clipped Tommy G and the "Rug". Besides a power struggle is not an uncommon thing in Cosa Nostra. Still John just couldn't humble himself enough to placate Castellano. His ego wouldn't allow him to play the subservient role to anyone in that organization. By putting Fat Ange, Gene, John Carneglia and Tony Roach on a shelf, he could have bought himself some time once Neil passed.

Where does this ruling panel scenario come from? If Paul didn't like Gotti, then why the Hell would he out him on a ruling panel? Even if Gotti has respect from other members, I don't think Costellano would've given a shit. He wanted those tapes and never got em.

Paul would have never put Gotti on a ruling panel- his Main crew members were all on drug charges

Only reason why Paul didn't do anything to them was out of fear of Neil. Once Neil was gone, Gotti knew he would get whacked or demoted

And Pmac, u made some good points but I highly doubt the other families would have given two shits if Gotti did kill Tommy Gambino in a power play

Because by then most of the old school were on trial or dead. Nobody other than Gigante wanted to avenge Paul/ plus the broken commission rule. The Luchese's only went along with it for their own reasons

Nobody would have cared about Tommy Gambino to go to war

What's Carlo going to do- rise from his grave and say thank u

According to Jerry Capeci and Gene Mustain in their Gotti book:
"If it turned out Gotti was not personally involved in heroin, he (Castellano) would, despite his misgivings, make Gotti one of the three 'acting street bosses' who would run the family". The other two were Tommy Bilotti and Tommy Gambino. Gotti was not thrilled about this. In Gravano's book he says that Tommy Gambino would be named acting boss if Castellano went away.

I'd guess that Gotti would have gone along with being underboss to Gambino's acting boss, but really be the one running the show. Based on the Castellano tapes, it doesn't sound like Gambino was too keen on being a mobster, let alone a boss. So he would be the boss but really in name only. Then he retires or goes to prison and Gotti becomes official boss.

With DeCicco it's a whole different story. I don't know if Gotti would be able to get the support to move on him, or even want to.