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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: pizzaboy] #674426
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Agreed PB.

It should be interesting to see who shows up at Di Maulo´s funeral. Funerals are a lot like weddings in the Mafia world.
Who gets invited and who gets not?


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I don't follow Canada as closely as I should. I usually defer to posters like Sonny_Black (he's a walking encyclopedia on the topic smile ).


There are others who deserve this title more than I do, but thanks anyway.

What makes Montreal so interesting for me is that they are still living in the past. Montreal is like New York in the 1980s. The so called Fabulous Fourteen is the equivalent of New York's Concrete Club of the 1980s that was headed by Paul Castellano just as Nick Rizzuto headed the Fabulous Fourteen. Both as we know were killed by renegade factions. Also, why I think it's the 1980s for Montreal is because the writings are on the wall. There are going to be more major arrests and blows to the Montreal Mafia in the years to come. The next ten years might become extremely interesting for us mobwatchers. I'm not sure If I will be following it all the way, but who knows.


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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Sonny_Black] #674501
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
I'm not sure If I will be following it all the way, but who knows.

Why, where are you going? I thought you were like 25? lol

But seriously, I agree that law enforcement in Canada will start to catch up to some degree. If they ever get as gung-ho as the American feds (and we know that they won't), you'll eventually even see some rats up there.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
I'm not sure If I will be following it all the way, but who knows.

Why, where are you going? I thought you were like 25? lol

But seriously, I agree that law enforcement in Canada will start to catch up to some degree. If they ever get as gung-ho as the American feds (and we know that they won't), you'll eventually even see some rats up there.


It's a never ending story. Di Maulo's murder only underlines this and will set the stage for more vendetta's in the years to come. It's not easy keeping up to date and after a while it gets a little tiring. Just when I was about to take a break from all this, they pull you back in with yet another murder...


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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Dwalin2011] #674601
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A lot of answers can be seen by who attends the funeral, but moreso, who does NOT attend this funeral.

edit: I just saw HairyKnuckles said basically the same thing. In that case, I agree with him.

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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Dwalin2011] #674745
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i am getting more and more interested whats going on up there, but the thing is its just to confusing. Cant wait for a decent Canadian mob movie, or a good book covering the events from the starting of the killing. The 2 documentaries about the Rizzutos was a good thing to watch.


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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Dwalin2011] #674764
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This is Pat Musitano at John Papalia's funeral. Musitano had ordered his murder. Also, Papalia was Musitano's godfather.



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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Dwalin2011] #674765
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Just who ordered DiMaulo’s death will soon be answered simply by seeing where his funeral will be held. The Rizzuto family owns a funeral home in Montreal, so if Vito had nothing to do with his death, expect DiMaulo’s wake to take place there.
If indeed his murder was Vito’s doing, expect the funeral to take place elsewhere.

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[quote=Sonny_Black]This is Pat Musitano at John Papalia's funeral. Musitano had ordered his murder. Also, Papalia was Musitano's godfather.

Since he got out of prison, Pat Musitano has gone on a fitness craze. He is much thinner now & most people wouldn't recognize him. He used to really view himself in the whole "Godfather" bit & didn't hide his mob status. Now, he is very low key - he has either matured into his role or been kept in his place. Also, Johnny Papalia was the godfather of Dominic Violi's younger brother, Giuseppe. Around here, there are lots of interpersonal connections between the Families.


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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Dwalin2011] #674820
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Is there an end to this chaos.


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Wow, the violence in Montreal is staggering, and does not seem to have an end in sight. This is bigger than the Columbo wars, and has the feel of the Castellammarese Wars - a fight for control and power.

My question is what rackets are they fighting to control? Drugs, construction, extortion of legitimate business, unions? What are the big money makers in Montreal? My hunch is they are fighting over the biggest money makers. Who had it, and who wants it, are the primary conspirators. Follow the money, in this case the dirty blood money.

In any event, we all know that wars of this scale have decimated OC, and in the US, nearly wiped out LCN in several cities (Cleveland, St. Louis). Can OC / LCN / Calabrians in Montreal survive this and expect to prosper again? I suspect this could be their undoing, and they may not ever return to the power once held.


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+1 to you post TonyG. If they keep killing each other,they are working on their own destruction.


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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Strax] #674826
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If they keep killing each other,they are working on their own destruction.


Thats the point...sad thing is theres always a replacement,its like a circle


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Re: Joe Di Maulo killed? [Re: Dwalin2011] #674833
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Well yes,older timers gone,new one comes.


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Thats right and not just new blood,other organizations could take over too,bikers,black street gangs or hispanics or even russian "businessmen"


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so how was this guy killed did he get sniped by the the black guy from homeland a mile away or they go run up on him point blank to the face. how come no one heard shots. how many times he get shot was there the eyeball finishing kill?

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Originally Posted By: Stu_Katz
Just who ordered DiMaulo’s death will soon be answered simply by seeing where his funeral will be held. The Rizzuto family owns a funeral home in Montreal, so if Vito had nothing to do with his death, expect DiMaulo’s wake to take place there.
If indeed his murder was Vito’s doing, expect the funeral to take place elsewhere.


I would think, moreso, if the funeral is not held at Rizzuto's place. It could also indicate that dimaulo comspired with desjardins and montagna, to overtake the rizzutos. I have my doubts that vito was able to send this message, this soon.
As some indicated, funerals have become a goldmine for the authorites and mob affecionados. Time will tell.

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Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Thats right and not just new blood,other organizations could take over too,bikers,black street gangs or hispanics or even russian "businessmen"


One of the major recent drug busts involving a B.C Hells Angel and a member of the west end gang shows that their are already groups looking to fill the void as far as the drug trade is concerned. Montreal is gonna be a free for all.

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di maulo was killed to send a message to desjardins
even if he's not involved in this

Re: Funeral arrangements for Jos Di Maulo? [Re: Dwalin2011] #674909
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A few years ago, I once included the following image in a post over on the RealDeal forum:


I included the image in a recent RealDealpost, as the thread about Di Maulo turned in the direction of a discussion about where visitation for him will take place, whether Vito Rizzuto will attend the funeral, whether Di Maulo would be shown at the Rizzuto clan's Complexe Loreto funeral home, etc. What follows are snippets from my most recent RealDeal post:

I have a list of all the online obituaries published on the Complexe Loreto website going back to November 1, 2008. I have never seen in my list a decedent with the surname Di Maulo. What I have never done is to check the maiden names in the obituaries of female decedents in the list.

This business card for a Tony Di Maulo who was working at the Complexe Loreto came into my possession in October 2006. I have no idea whether this employee was related to Jos Di Maulo or is still working there. But this is one of those little niggling things that made it very difficult for me to eventually give more weight to the opinion that the recently murdered Di Maulo had turned on the Rizzutos somehow.

Another more recent discovery, which I shared by a PM with Laurentian, IrishJimmy, and eurodave164, is that in the Fall of 2010, Di Maulo's daughter Mylena was on the list of people invited, via Facebook, to the Cattolica Eraclea Annual Party at the Sheraton Laval. The Associazione Cattolica Eraclea group will be found at http://www.facebook.com/AssociazioneCattolicaEraclea, and the Facebook event was created on October 6, 2010 -- see http://www.facebook.com/events/119723874752201.

Unfortunately, Mylena never RSVPed, so I don't know whether she attended the November 20, 2010 event, which took place 10 days after Nick Rizzuto Sr. was murdered.

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Mylena has several DiMaulo's on her friends' list as well as a couple Cotroni's.
What this means, I have no idea. It's been a long week.


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Originally Posted By: carmela
Mylena has several DiMaulo's on her friends' list as well as a couple Cotroni's.
What this means, I have no idea. It's been a long week.


carmela:

The murdered Di Maulo had two daughters.

Mylena married Frank Cotroni Jr., the son of Frank Cotroni Sr. Frank Sr. was the brother of Vincenzo Cotroni, the long-reigning captain of the Bonanno Family's Montreal "crew," officially, up until his death in 1984.

Di Maulo has only recently been correctly identified in newspaper articles as having ancestry from Molise, having actually been born there. Luigi Greco, identified for decades in books and articles as Sicilian-born, being born in Sicily, etc., has shown up in some mobwatchers' research in the last few years as someone who was actually born in Canada to parents descending from Montorio nei Frentani in Campobasso, Molise. The surname Di Maulo is found among residents of Montorio nei Frentani.

A reliable source told me Di Maulo was born in Campobasso, but the source could not tell me whether Di Maulo was born in the comune or the provincia.

Since I've already gone off on several tangents, I just wanted to point out that Frank Cotroni Sr.'s visitation took place at the Rizzuto-owned funeral home in 2004 and that the visitation for Frank's murdered son, Paolo, also took place there in 1998.

The Calabrian faction -- both of these last two words should be in quotation marks -- had always consisted of numerous individuals whose ancestry came from regions of Italy other than Calabria and Sicily. When law enforcement, journalists, and authors use the term "Calabrian faction" today, as in the past, they mean members of the old Cotroni-Violi group, as Cotroni and Violi were Calabrian. However, I want to add that many law-enforcement officers, crime reporters, and organized-crime writers regularly misidentify members of the Montreal Mafia as having Calabrian ancestry without verifying this information.

After many years of research, I've come to the opinion there never was a purely Sicilian faction or a purely Calabrian faction in the Montreal Mafia -- especially if researchers are correct about Luigi Greco's place of birth and ancestry. The mafia war in Montreal in the 1970s was in essence between Nick Rizzuto Sr. and Paolo Violi. The first person Nick Sr. ordered killed in the war was Violi's Sicilian adviser Pietro Sciara, born in Siculiana but raised in the Rizzutos' hometown of Cattolica Eraclea.

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Re: Funeral arrangements for Jos Di Maulo? [Re: antimafia] #674954
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Originally Posted By: carmela
Mylena has several DiMaulo's on her friends' list as well as a couple Cotroni's.
What this means, I have no idea. It's been a long week.


carmela:

The murdered Di Maulo had two daughters.

Mylena married Frank Cotroni Jr., the son of Frank Cotroni Sr. Frank Sr. was the brother of Vincenzo Cotroni, the long-reigning captain of the Bonanno Family's Montreal "crew," officially, up until his death in 1984.

Di Maulo has only recently been correctly identified in newspaper articles as having ancestry from Molise, having actually been born there. Luigi Greco, identified for decades in books and articles as Sicilian-born, being born in Sicily, etc., has shown up in some mobwatchers' research in the last few years as someone who was actually born in Canada to parents descending from Montorio nei Frentani in Campobasso, Molise. The surname Di Maulo is found among residents of Montorio nei Frentani.

A reliable source told me Di Maulo was born in Campobasso, but the source could not tell me whether Di Maulo was born in the comune or the provincia.

Since I've already gone off on several tangents, I just wanted to point out that Frank Cotroni Sr.'s visitation took place at the Rizzuto-owned funeral home in 2004 and that the visitation for Frank's murdered son, Paolo, also took place there in 1998.

The Calabrian faction -- both of these last two words should be in quotation marks -- had always consisted of numerous individuals whose ancestry came from regions of Italy other than Calabria and Sicily. When law enforcement, journalists, and authors use the term "Calabrian faction" today, as in the past, they mean members of the old Cotroni-Violi group, as Cotroni and Violi were Calabrian. However, I want to add that many law-enforcement officers, crime reporters, and organized-crime writers regularly misidentify members of the Montreal Mafia as having Calabrian ancestry without verifying this information.

After many years of research, I've come to the opinion there never was a purely Sicilian faction or a purely Calabrian faction in the Montreal Mafia -- especially if researchers are correct about Luigi Greco's place of birth and ancestry. The mafia war in Montreal in the 1970s was in essence between Nick Rizzuto Sr. and Paolo Violi. The first person Nick Sr. ordered killed in the war was Violi's Sicilian adviser Pietro Sciara, born in Siculiana but raised in the Rizzutos' hometown of Cattolica Eraclea.

Well explained, thank you. Many want to believe in this bloodline-Calabrian vs Sicilian feud. This theory is the furthest from the truth and has been reinforced over the years by journalists who don’t know what they are writing about. Members of LCN are made, not born.

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Thanks for your reply, antimafia. I remember you posting about that on RD, about the funeral home/card, now that you mention it.

Other than that, I thought it was common knowledge that the Sicilian and Calabrian factions worked together in Montreal. Are people still debating/doubting that?
But, just because they worked together, never meant they fully trusted one another.
That's the relationship Calabrians and Sicilians have always maintained. The Sicilians view the Calabrians as their inferior cousins.

As far as those members of LCN being made not born, that's not always the case. When you talk about the Caruana's and Cun trera's, they were so huge because they were intermarried and not only made into one another's families, but born and married into each others families as well. They were strong b/c they were family, and not just FAMILY.
And in Italy, it is certainly true that mafia members are born as well as made, sometimes moreso. You're born into your family.


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Originally Posted By: antimafia
A few years ago, I once included the following image in a post over on the RealDeal forum:


I included the image in a recent RealDealpost, as the thread about Di Maulo turned in the direction of a discussion about where visitation for him will take place, whether Vito Rizzuto will attend the funeral, whether Di Maulo would be shown at the Rizzuto clan's Complexe Loreto funeral home, etc. What follows are snippets from my most recent RealDeal post:

I have a list of all the online obituaries published on the Complexe Loreto website going back to November 1, 2008. I have never seen in my list a decedent with the surname Di Maulo. What I have never done is to check the maiden names in the obituaries of female decedents in the list.

This business card for a Tony Di Maulo who was working at the Complexe Loreto came into my possession in October 2006. I have no idea whether this employee was related to Jos Di Maulo or is still working there. But this is one of those little niggling things that made it very difficult for me to eventually give more weight to the opinion that the recently murdered Di Maulo had turned on the Rizzutos somehow.

Another more recent discovery, which I shared by a PM with Laurentian, IrishJimmy, and eurodave164, is that in the Fall of 2010, Di Maulo's daughter Mylena was on the list of people invited, via Facebook, to the Cattolica Eraclea Annual Party at the Sheraton Laval. The Associazione Cattolica Eraclea group will be found at http://www.facebook.com/AssociazioneCattolicaEraclea, and the Facebook event was created on October 6, 2010 -- see http://www.facebook.com/events/119723874752201.

Unfortunately, Mylena never RSVPed, so I don't know whether she attended the November 20, 2010 event, which took place 10 days after Nick Rizzuto Sr. was murdered.


that was soo, well put.
personally and i can swear, i had him pegged for Ciociaro, but the Molisana decent was thrown about too. very plausible.
also, i agree, that this calabrian v. sicilian feud, within that realm is not an issue to debate about anymore.
business is business.
that feud is soo made up these days. what is desjardin?? Japanese!! what is Joe "Bravo" Fernandes?? Jamaican!! if you can produce, then welcome to the inner circle.
business is business.

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The RealDeal poster Laurentian, who is very knowledgeable about Italian mafie and especially about the Montreal Mafia, did a decedent search for Di Maulo on the website for the Le repos Saint-François d'Assise. I've provided an image of what you or anyone else will find.



I am not sure whether Di Maulo's listing already means he has been interred, as the search on the cemetery's site allows you to locate a grave or crypt. However, I am inclined to believe Di Maulo's funeral service came and went.

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Look's FUN stuff!

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To me, some of this looks borderline creepy and nothing short of stalker-ish. I guess that's what journalists resort to though.


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Originally Posted By: carmela
To me, some of this looks borderline creepy and nothing short of stalker-ish. I guess that's what journalists resort to though.


Laurentian is not a journalist.

Although I'm not a journalist, I'm guilty as charged! :-b

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Yeah, that IS kinda creepy lol.


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