Hey all, Long time since I made a topic but I was wondering what your views are on what I'm about to ask you. Now, we all know that both the Italian and Italian-American Mafia (especially the Italian) which includes the Sicilian, Neapolitan, Calabrian, Puglian and other Italic crime groups do not hesitate when it comes to using violence and killing people when need be. We also know that in terms of numbers they are supposedly very big, the FBI says all in all they have about 25,000 leading members (Made or whatever you would call them) and 250,000 associates world wide. Although real figures are hard to determine, this is just a very rough estimate I'd imagine.

However, say if they were to get into a gang war with the Mexican cartels, who do you think would back away. I also know the Mexican cartels are immensely strong. Now If you ask me, this scenario would most probably never happen since the two groups work hand and hand with each other and why wouldn't they, more money to be made. But say if it did, are the Mexicans just that more brutal than the Italians would you say? I'd say so... So who do you think would back down first??

The Mexican cartels have about 100,000 members combined. That's a lot less than the 250,000 you gave for the Mafia. However, the cartels are more ruthless.

Either way, the senecio doesn't make sense. Cartels are rivals and wouldn't fight together. Likewise Mafia families, while having an ongoing alliances, aren't under the same command. Especially the ones from different countries/provinces. The only way I can see you're situation happening is if all the Italian families decided to try and muscle the Mexicans out of the Colombian coke trafficking. And why would they do that? They can't transport it themselves. Mexico has the territory.

The 'Russian Mafia' has a combined membership of 500,000. But this includes all of the ethnic Russian, Chechen, Georgian, Armenian, Azerbaijani, Kyrgyz, Uzbek and Yazidi groups. These groups are also very often rivals just like the Mexican cartels are. As for the Italian criminal organizations, within the Camorra alone there are yearly gang wars between Neapolitan crime clans. The same goes for Sicilian and Calabrian clans from time to time.
The only way different criminal structures ( from the same country) will bond together is if another organization will be a mutual danger to each of their territory.

I know it was a stupid question really, I just wanted to see the outcome people came up with. What lead me primarily to ask this question was stupid mafia fan boys over the internet saying "Aw! Who would win between the Mexicans and the Albanians e.t.c." and I think it just got on my nerves so much that I asked it myself on this site

Yeah you mostly see this discussions all over youtube these tiresome discussions about which ethnic crime group would win : 'Serbs vs Albanians', 'Turks vs Kurds', 'Cockneys vs Liverpudlians', 'Mexicans vs Colombians', 'Jamaicans vs Nigerians', 'African-Americans vs Dominicans', 'Southeast Asians vs Pacific Islanders',etc...the list could go on and on.
Mostly these internet discussions lead to full blown internet race wars where every member of an ethnic or cultural community claims his group would just exterminate the other group and would take over its turf quicker than a heartbeat

Serbs would win. They like to eat their enemies.

Whenever i watch sopranos clips on youtube theres always some wannabe wiseguy who turns the comment section into a ethnic, racial argument by using one of the racial slurs that they have heard on the show.

The worst are when I hear the who would win out of Crips v Mafia? Or Mafia v MS13 like its a soccer game lol

You can't compare things that are incomparable

Totally agree, Nicky. I think it's so asinine that people want to compare the incomparable. What do you want them to do, stand across from each other like warring factions in the Revolutionary War? How would you even try to line them up head to head?

All you gotta do is shake your head and know better than the kids who fantasize about this shit.

.....says the guy who wants us to make a pretend party for a mobster getting out of jail...

HAHA in my head I think its like the scene from Anchorman where you have all the news teams fighting to the death That's what these people want to see!

They should make a Streetfighter-like game out of that. But then with different gangs facing each other

I'll make this point. Mexicans could go to Europe and kill members of whatever group and get away with it, but it would be hard for Europeans to go to Mexican cities and kill cartel members. An I mean urban Europe, Milano, Roma, Napoli, but if Mexicans were scurrying around Torre Annunziata or Tommaso Natale believe me they would get handled.

Outside of the Zen, there's no real threat in Palermo.

Mexicans would not be able to go to Europe and commit mutuple murders! and get away with it... Whose that guy in your avator? You sound like some Renegade BTW John Cena Rules

They ran shit when i was there. Lo piccolos i capi

You were talking about Mexicans today. You do know where the Lo Piccolos are today, don't you?

Outside of Zen, Palermo is not dangerous today.

Not many Mexicans round my way to be honest!!

The local Mex food place is run by a Pakistani........

Great

Oh, snap!

mexicans have not any real power base in europe and several italian bosses are constantly on the run or hiding in bunker and shit-hole neighbourhoods in the south where everyone who is not from there is suddenly identified
even italian police and carabinieri don't knows were they are lol
its not like you go in the center of rome and milan
of course, italians can't go to mexico and kill anyone, they don't know where the cartel bosses are and they are not in the center of cancun or mexico city but in the shit-holes with tons of bodyguards



youre right but the suburbs are real shit-hole anyway and not zen only, brancaccio, zisa, passo di rigano, cruillas, sperone and many others you have to be careful if you go there

I can believe that. I don't know everything (no really I don't).

Some Mexican cartel bosses prefer "hiding" out in luxury apartments or houses like La Barbie, Alfredo Beltran Leyva and Nacho Colonel. Some hide in middle class neighborhoods and other hide in the hills or mountains of the Sierra Madre like Chapo and many of the other Sinaloa cartel bosses and lieutenants. The thing that in Mexico the cartels have infiltrated the entire municipal and some state police, so if you get caught by the police you'll most likely to be turned in to safe house where cartel members will cut you up to pieces. That's why rival cartels often attack municipal police and state agencies and kill their commanders and in some extreme cases even the federal police and some military commanders give protection to the cartels.

It depends on what you call a cartel member but the cartels in Mexico employ about 500,000 people from the marijuana farmers to the gunmen. But counting their gunmen only it's about 35,000-50,000 in total which are their leading members and the ones with the power.

The Mexican cartels are more ruthless to the point they are truly savages but I doubt the cartels would of start killing people left and right like they do in Mexico and Central America.