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Enough with the novel! #668009
09/27/12 12:53 PM
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I understand the tradition of looking to the novel to clear up ambiguities between it and the trilogy (actually between it and I and II) but in another threqad about where Moe Green died, the answer should be in a Vegas massage parlour. Period.
There is no ambiguity about it.

Frankly having re-read the novel about a year ago, I have concluded it is a vastly inferior work when you compare it to the film. All the nonsense about Lucy's vagina, her cavorting in Vegas with some doctor is a load of nonsense Puzo used as filler and nothing more. FFC was wise to leave that out of his brilliant film.


So I guess what I am saying here is "enough with the novel, already!"


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Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: dontomasso] #668013
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Like I've said before, I consider the films (I and II) to be revised editions of the novel.


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dt, I agree that the novel is a rushed and sloppy work (though a great read). And yes, there's lots of superflous stuff, such as Jules and Lucy, Nino, all of Johnny after Connie's wedding, etc. But I find the novel to be an indespensible reference when clearing up (or underscoring) certain ambiguities that come up on this board.


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Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: dontomasso] #668052
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Exactly TB. No one ever posts about the film explaining the novel.


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Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: dontomasso] #668099
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When I had the question about Moe Greene's death, I wasn't sure where to post it (in the novel thread or in the trilogy thread), because the reference that no murder should take place in Las Vegas came from the novel.
But from the way it was filmed, I had always assumed that he had been killed in Las Vegas. So my question was more of a historical nature.

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I think it should be obvious to even the casual film viewer that film producers and directors make compromises when filming. The most frequent one is how days, weeks, and years transpire in just a few hours. There's nothing in the film to indicate where Greene was murdered. However, since we only view him prior to his murder as being in Las Vegas, we assume that he was murdered there. That's good enough for me. Maybe FFC filmed Greene in LA as the place where he was murdered, but decided to cut that part out of the film. We should use the novel to explain the film where it needs explanation. However, condesing a 400 page novel down to a 3.5 hour film while stillmaintaining its essence is a challenge and an achievement.


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Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: olivant] #668110
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I don't have a problem using the novel to clear up ambiguities, my problem is when there are posts about how
the novel says something different than the movie shows, such as where Moe died, and the chronology of who Michael had killled and when.


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"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."

Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: dontomasso] #668138
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Original geschrieben von: dontomasso
I don't have a problem using the novel to clear up ambiguities, my problem is when there are posts about how
the novel says something different than the movie shows, such as where Moe died, and the chronology of who Michael had killled and when.


Alright, next time i'll put those questions in the novel thread.

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Speaking of the novel... will anyone help me and answer my question!?

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Originally Posted By: Gudfadern
Speaking of the novel... will anyone help me and answer my question!?


What's the question?


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Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: SC] #668168
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Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Gudfadern
Speaking of the novel... will anyone help me and answer my question!?


What's the question?

I mainly wonder what the differences are between all of the books and the formats, which one the original really is and if you would prefer one over others.

Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: Gudfadern] #668171
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If you're talking about "The Godfather", there is only one novel. I'm not sure what you mean by "formats".


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At the Amazon store there are several versions, and they are all available in different formats. I wasn't originally talking about the formats of the books. In the thread I was asking about the different covers and if there are anything that differs them.

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"several versions"? As SC, I only know one version.


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Re: Enough with the novel! [Re: olivant] #668178
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Originally Posted By: olivant
"several versions"? As SC, I only know one version.

By "several versions" I mean the books have different covers.

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OK... we call those different "editions" here in the States. The inside of the books is all the same, but some have different covers, depending on when they were published. Some of the later editions, published after the movies were released have some photos (from the movies) but the story is the same. Same about the covers.

Also, some editions were printed in hardcover, while some were printed in the smaller "paper back" books. You can probably find a good listing of used editions (fairly inexpensive) on websites like Ebay.


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Alright. The word "edition" sounded to me more like as if they are limited. This sounds interesting! The later editions with photos.

Oh, yeah, that's what I was torn about. I was uncertain on which one of those two I should get. I didn't know the paper back is a smaller one. Thanks very much.

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I remember reading a book a few years back, not sure who wrote it, maybe it was called the last Godfather or the last Don, but it had Fredo as a gay character and he winds up whacking the guy after porking him... Did snyone read this book? After the gay Fredo scene I stopped reading...


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Originally Posted By: Stugotz
I remember reading a book a few years back, not sure who wrote it, maybe it was called the last Godfather or the last Don, but it had Fredo as a gay character and he winds up whacking the guy after porking him... Did snyone read this book? After the gay Fredo scene I stopped reading...


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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
I understand the tradition of looking to the novel to clear up ambiguities between it and the trilogy (actually between it and I and II) but in another threqad about where Moe Green died, the answer should be in a Vegas massage parlour. Period.
There is no ambiguity about it.

Frankly having re-read the novel about a year ago, I have concluded it is a vastly inferior work when you compare it to the film. All the nonsense about Lucy's vagina, her cavorting in Vegas with some doctor is a load of nonsense Puzo used as filler and nothing more. FFC was wise to leave that out of his brilliant film.


So I guess what I am saying here is "enough with the novel, already!"

I dont know why its a big deal to you. The novel is a great read and the films should remain faithful. Luckily FFC did a great job adapting it


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