"True!I dont know why ppl cant understand this....THERES ALWAYS A TOP SPOT!!!no matter if it exists or not,theres always a top guy!"

- I understand that you don´t understand. You seem confused.

"Voting?!?!?LOL(yes theres voting but every1 first waits for the top guys decision)...i mean we are talking about ego maniacs,mafia bosses and they care only about power and money,and some guys here will say"Give me a proof,give me a proof,or you read wikkipedia""

- Well yeah. To claim something without being able to prove it should be formulated in a different way than how you are formulating stuff. And please name your sources or paste the whole article into a post. Not only parts of it that suits your purposes.

"Its hilarious!!!!GO WATCH THE STREETS YOU FOOL!"

- If I´m a fool, then what are you?

"i mean stop reading articles written by some schmucks or read books or watch movies,some of you got it worng!Yes you can read articles but only on history,you cant find book about everydays life on the streets,belive me it ownt be true!I can see that some guys here never walked the streets,just imagine the streets infront of their computer or book or whatever and yall belive in honor!Go outside a lil bit!Feel it!But if yall over 25,than youre late,sorry and stop buzzin nonsence...and go write some book on the basis of Joe Bonanno's fake memoars""

- What are you basically trying to say here? Could you rephrase that please? Should we stay inside and write a book or go out and "feel" the streets?

Sorry...was i talking to you?who are you?plsss dont answer my posts,i told you once.Rmember im not talking to you....so plsss dont make me become rude,kid.plsss go away,go play,leave me alone

I love the way you are addressing me. "Kid".
Well, for your information, I could be your father. Literally.

ok,good for you,maybe you love something else too ,dont want any problems...bye bye

toodoped why are you acting like a douche?
is it because people have different opinions than you do?

Nope thats not the thing,the thing is when i give my opinion other ppl think that im talking to them...REMEMBER...when i give my opinion,its just an opinion to discuss it.not that imsayin"your not right"...dont get your ego invloved...look at the facts,get your ego aside yigifdo...look at the posts,do you see me talkin to that guy hairy whatever....by the way yigido i dont see any informative posts from you buddy?!?!?

The Colombo and Bonanno families are not going to grow to 200 inducted members. The families are basically restricted to roughly these numbers of members:
Genovese & Gambino= 200+ (these two have always been the biggest in terms of numbers)
Colombo/Bonnano/Luchese = about 110 max. (give or take)
These numbers were determined by the Commision years ago. These limits ensure no one family becomes too powerful. The induction of new members traditionally has been controlled by passing a list of potential inductees to each of the Five Families administration for review. Below is an example found when A Genovese member was arrested:
I don't know how to copy and paste the fucking thing..trust me it exists over on the RD.

Toodoped, its fine to have your opinions etc, but we are just trying to correct you in this discussion.

But surely, the Genovese and Gambino families having more members then the other three automatically makes them more powerful.

When you say the Commission determined the size of each family, do you mean by vote? Why would Joseph Bonanno, Gaetano Gagliano and Joseph Profaci let themselves be talked into having lesser groups?

What gave Lucky Luciano the right to dictate to other bosses - remember, the Boss of Bosses title died with Maranzano. By dictating to them, to have that power would make Luciano the Boss of Bosses.

Also, I read somewhere that the Commission wasn't in the habit of dictating overall mob policy, but was there as a listening panel to stop conflicts and discuss business.

As to passing around the list of prospective members. Why would another family need to get involved. Surely, each family can rule it self and sort things that need to be sorted out.

Thats fine with me,im with it,belive me

Yo Hairy...answer(now dont get too happy youre still on ignore)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerd

feel something....than talk.see ya

This is only funny in Macedonia, I guess.

Toodoped just stop it

I hate it when we have perfectly lucid discussions (though the thread was a little stupid in the first place) and one guy has to bitch and moan about nothing. Ridiculous.

Agreed Joe i've just ignored this infantile argument i suggest you join me

My pleasure Camarel

everything's cool! (izvn.druze al to je jebiga )

This system is only in place in NYC because you have 5 families all in one city. It is necessary to make sure there was no objections to someone being made. Another family may have information about a prospective member that his own family doesn't know about. It's like a background check. It also ensures peace since someone can't be made if another family has a grievance with him that needs to be solved. When Ralph DeSimone was proposed into the Genovese family, his name was passed along and the Luccheses said he was a rat. The Geovese family had him killed in 1991.

And your right about the Commission. When it first started, the bosses only met entirely once every 5-10 years. Otherwise, they only met when there was a major dispute. So it seems hard to believe that one boss can wield so much influence over the Commission that they could be considered a defacto boss of all bosses. That's not to say guys like Luciano and Gambino didn't have greater influence than the co-members on the Commission, though.

Stated in Raabs 'Five Families' he explains when they met in Chicago when the commission was set up "The size of each family was fixed at the number of made men it had at that time, with replacements allowed only for dead members. Freezing the strength of each borgata was intended to prevent surreptitious expansions to dominate other families and possibly ignite territorial conflicts. Limiting membership was also seen as a business-like means of selecting the best and most competent candidates."

I don't think the New York Commission meets anymore, and I'm confident that most of the bosses of the 5 families are not on personal terms.

Last meeting was 2000 or 2001.

I personally do not think they meet as in five all together but bosses meet in twos maybe to discuss business partnerships.

Well that's for sure! Not only bosses but the capos etc

Yup. In Gravano's book he says that Gigante was mad at Castellano for calling a meeting between them. He felt that their capos should have met to discuss their construction rackets. And this was in the 80s.

That we know of.

Seems the last decade all official boss positions have been filled with guys in jail and the only people on the outside are ruling panels and acting bosses making it impossible for anyone to claim the Capo di tutti capi title remember when genovese was arrested bonanno de facto took the title

I don't know..it seems in this day in age why risk face to face on an organization that "seems" more ceremonial than actually practical. Besides, they'd be better to pass messages via carrier pigeon than pick up a phone/text/email/skype...

[quote=Strax]There is no thing like Capo Di Tutti Capi anymore in the US and same goes for Sicily. [/quo





Toto riina and Bernardo provenzano were both considered that but that's been years ago idk bout now

I heard that Vito Spatafore was the Capo di Tutti Frutti.

Yeah. But some say he was a fruit case.