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Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? #663077
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Since the Ndrangheta or the Calabrian Mafia have a very strong influence on the European Cocaine trade and dominate it, is it possible that they supply a lot of GB's cocaine? I know they have a strong presence in the rest of Europe especially Germany but we almost never hear about the Mafia here in Britain. I read a few articles about them having some money laundering operations here but are they involved in any other rackets? Do they not have a solid base here in GB where they control drugs? maybe even other rackets like extortion and so on..

Thanks for your help guys.


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Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663078
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Maybe they operate behind the curtains, but they don't have any real 'turf' there. The thing with Great Britain is, is that there already is a pretty brutal and powerful presence of homegrown and other foreign OC groups. But it's definitely possible that some members of the Ndrangheta or the Camorra supply cocaine to the groups in Britain.
As for Germany, the Ndrangheta is very strong there, but also behind the curtains. The criminal activities of German Hells Angels, Albanian, Turkish, Russian and Serb mobs or Mhallami family clans are much more visible.

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Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663080
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Impressive map Strax, Where did you get this? I wonder all together how many members of all the mafias are in the UK


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Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663088
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I think that those clans are mostly using GB for money laundering. But really 'controlling' OC activities there, no not by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663089
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Yeah i definitely concur. We've never really heard of a large Italian OC presence across the English Channel. Likely, cause it doesn't exist in in viable way.

Prolly a few guys over their to aid in some operations. Or as contacts to homegrown groups. Like emissaries.

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Yeah, probably as contacts to the groups already operating in GB. GB already has a large crime scene. Homegrown British 'Firms', Yardies, Nigerians, South Asians, Triads, Black British and Somali gangs, Turkish and Kurdish clans, Albanian mobs,...it's already overpopulated there lol.
And regarding the homegrown crime firms : the Adams from Islington, the Hunts from Canning Town, Liverpudlian and Manchester clans,...I would never ever mess with those guys

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Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Camarel] #663108
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Thanks for the Info guys. Yeah, I've also only heard that the Italian clans only use GB for money laundering and since there are already established organized crime groups in the UK, the Italian clans even if they did want to set up there, they probably would have to fight a few violent gangs wars which they probably don't want because they want to keep things more quiet. I don't think they'd have any difficulty though in taking out their rivals, I think it's all a matter of secrecy and being low key. However how come in Britain there are never really any gang wars, with the amount of crime groups here, they aren't violent at all when compared to other countries...


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Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663109
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Aren't their gun laws really strict? I dunno if it's true or not but I have it in my mind. Pretty sure all of Europe has some pretty strict anti-gun laws.

But like that would be a real deterrent anyways. These are criminals we're talking about afterall. Laws don't really mean all that much.

Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663111
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Italian OC in UK aren't looking to fight established groups and takeover etc, usually there just there to launder their money and set up connections for drugs etc.

Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663112
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Shootings in suburbs happen regularly.
In terms of violence between the homegrown firms...they happen and it gets just as messy as stuff in other countries.
George Bromley from Liverpool for instance used to tax rival drug lords. His favourite method was kidnapping a rival and putting a red hot iron to the guy's scrotum. Also in Liverpool rivals shoot each other to pieces regularly. The same things happen in Manchester.
In London there was a crime firm from the East End which moved into the drug's business by violently hijacking other drug lords and dealers. This included kidnapping the guy and taking him away to a cellar after which they smashed the guy to pieces with a sledgehammer. Read the book Judas Pig by Horace Silver if you want to know more about this firm. It's a novel but it's based of situations that really did happen. The same firm also once tortured a guy in a slaughterhouse for two weeks, cutting him to pieces slowly, after which they burned him while he was still, but barely alive.
Notoriously gruesome things happen in Great Britain. Just as bad as the things that happen in the USA or Italy.

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However homicide rates are extremely low, lowest since the 60s presently, last year there was under 150 murders for the whole of London, a city of 7 million.

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Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
However homicide rates are extremely low, lowest since the 60s presently, last year there was under 150 murders for the whole of London, a city of 7 million.
what about other violent crime such as assaults/robberies? i here that kind of crime is pretty common in london.


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However homicide rates are extremely low, lowest since the 60s presently, last year there was under 150 murders for the whole of London, a city of 7 million.
what about other violent crime such as assaults/robberies? i here that kind of crime is pretty common in london.


Yeah not too sure on that, just know you got to be careful not to be influenced by the media on crime, same in America, homicides are way down there too generally though often the media would have you believe your in Baghdad.

Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663120
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Yes, there is a presence.

Not as large as say the Americas or eastern-mid Europe but they have been known to operate in London, Scotland, the midlands.

Matter of fact, there were two Comorra members found wading through the overgrowth in the midlands not too long ago. It was in the papers... they got lost.

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As for Germany, the Ndrangheta is very strong there, but also behind the curtains. The criminal activities of German Hells Angels, Albanian, Turkish, Russian and Serb mobs or Mhallami family clans are much more visible.


in germany italian turkish and serb organized crime are the most active among foreign groups

in gb there are little activities but in london there are several italian fugitives living there

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Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: m2w] #663125
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Yeah those groups are very active in Germany, but have you heard about the Al-Zein, Miri and Abu-Chaker clans ? They are Mhallami clans. In Germany they are often called 'Lebanese Kurds' or 'Arabs', but in fact the Mhallami are neither of those. They are mostly Islamicised Assyrians with Kurdish and Arab admixture. So they are a pretty distinct group of people. They immigrated from Lebanon to Germany. Like the Turkish or Albanian crime clans they have organized family-based criminal gangs. For instance, the Miri-clan alone makes about 50 million euros each year in the city of Bremen alone. Al-Zein was also named the 'druglord of Berlin'.

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Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: Antonio] #663126
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short841 the map that loaded Strax have loaded it time ago I, along with other sections of the book ''Mafia Export'' Francesco Forgione,search my old posts for the others map of crime in England.

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yes but i'm talking about the most active and powerful among foreign organized crime groups according to german police, of course there are many others in germany

Re: Does the Italian Mafia have any connections in GB? [Re: m2w] #663140
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When you make 50 million in one city alone, you are very active and pretty powerful in my book. I don't think the Turkish gangs in Germany make this much. Mahmoud Al-Zein is also regarded as one of the most powerful crime bosses in Germany, by the public as well as by the police. So yeah, these guys are big time.
As for homegrown OC in Germany, never underestimate the German Hells Angels. They are really powerful and they even had a personal death squad in Kiel involved in the torturing and murder of rivals. That's pretty effed up lol

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Shootings in suburbs happen regularly.
In terms of violence between the homegrown firms...they happen and it gets just as messy as stuff in other countries.
George Bromley from Liverpool for instance used to tax rival drug lords. His favourite method was kidnapping a rival and putting a red hot iron to the guy's scrotum. Also in Liverpool rivals shoot each other to pieces regularly. The same things happen in Manchester.
In London there was a crime firm from the East End which moved into the drug's business by violently hijacking other drug lords and dealers. This included kidnapping the guy and taking him away to a cellar after which they smashed the guy to pieces with a sledgehammer. Read the book Judas Pig by Horace Silver if you want to know more about this firm. It's a novel but it's based of situations that really did happen. The same firm also once tortured a guy in a slaughterhouse for two weeks, cutting him to pieces slowly, after which they burned him while he was still, but barely alive.
Notoriously gruesome things happen in Great Britain. Just as bad as the things that happen in the USA or Italy.


Stats say otherwise. Detroit had more murders in 2010 than London and Manchester combined, with a tenth of the population. So no, they don't have as many acts of violence in the UK as they do in the USA. Feel free to show the stats that say otherwise.

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the lebaneses are not even close to turkish in germany

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As for homegrown OC in Germany, never underestimate the German Hells Angels


yes they are among the domestic groups

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Violent crime worse in Britain
Most violent country in Europe

Less murders, yeah probably. But the really gruesome stuff that happens in Britain is as bad as the stuff that happens in the USA.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Violent crime worse in Britain
Most violent country in Europe

Less murders, yeah probably. But the really gruesome stuff that happens in Britain is as bad as the stuff that happens in the USA.


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There are a lot of Turkish youth gangs in Germany, yeah of course. But in terms of organized crime the Mhallami are just as bad as the Turks in Germany.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Violent crime worse in Britain
Most violent country in Europe

Less murders, yeah probably. But the really gruesome stuff that happens in Britain is as bad as the stuff that happens in the USA.


Word to the wise though i haven't read the 2 you've posted but the Daily Mail is notorious for blowing things out of proportion .

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but some mhallami comes from turkey am i right? so maybe german police put them among turkish organized crime

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Yes you're right ! Some of the Mhallami also come from Mardin in Turkey. But I thought most of them emigrated from Lebanon. But yes, maybe they're also put among Turkish OC eventhough they aren't ethnic Turks. Kurdish OC is also put among Turkish OC. In Great Britain for instance, there are both ethnic Turkish and ethnic Kurdish gangsters. But both of them get grouped under 'Turkish organized crime'.

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Originally Posted By: Camarel
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Violent crime worse in Britain
Most violent country in Europe

Less murders, yeah probably. But the really gruesome stuff that happens in Britain is as bad as the stuff that happens in the USA.


Word to the wise though i haven't read the 2 you've posted but the Daily Mail is notorious for blowing things out of proportion .


I heard the British press in general is notorious for blowing things out of proportion grin But there's no denying in the fact that crime in Britain is pretty bad. Maybe not as bad as the USA, but still pretty bad. And the thing is, wherever there's crime in Belgium, Scandinavian countries, etc...they always put the blame on immigrants. But in Great Britain a lot of the indigenous people also seem to be involved in a lot of crime.

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