I was wondering since there are several rules in place on who can get made and who can't. Is there some guys who have pulled a fast one over on the mafia and got made by covering up their past or heritage?

I know that Salvatore Vitale was a corrections officer, which would fall under the realm of former law enforcement/government worker. But he had it covered up.

I mean, Ron Previte was a former cops who got made openly. But Stanfa was crazy, heard he even made some non-Italians.

Are tehre any more instances of this though? Perhaps, getting made in a time when both your parents had to be Italian? Faking info or name changes. Hell they almost let Donnie Brasco into the family had he not been pulled out before hand he woulda prolly been straightened out. Not very good investigation skills.

Tommy DelGiorno who was half Polish managed to hide it to get made and become a captain in Philly.

Jimmy Marcello was half irish and became a top guy in chicago

Has that ever really been explained? During the Family-Secrets trail it was used as an argument to disqualify Nick Calabreses testimony if I recal correctley.

It seems that the old adage, "rules are meant to be broken" rings true here. Anything can be changed/altered/amended if the people in power want it that way.

If something sounds good to mobster that they want to here, yeah anything is possible if you can manage to hide it.

I was of considered Bugsy Siegel as a Soldato because he payed Luciano alot of money to be represented by him and the other bosses. Irish-American's arent really that Important but Cosa Nostra is more serious about people from Europe. This is the 21st Century, If you can make enough money then your classed as a member plus Andrew DelGirono had a Father from Sicily.

Caddilac frank was half irish half italian dont know y he gade made in boston but in the gang wars of the 60 he did clip a bunch of people with rat flemmi and put the bomb under rat barboza attorney car so idk if its was parade of hits whatever buthe gade made and went straight to boss after a while I

I was actually thinking, is there a possibility nowdays that mobsters would buy their place as being made? I'm asking that, we know that now modern Vory V Zakone buy their spots more often.

Nowadays i doubt it it's not really worth it i actually heard a story of a guy rejecting being made. Back in the 50s Albert Anastasia was selling memberships though .

Jack Garcia described in his book how one Gambino associate offered to buy his button for a million dollars. The Gambino leadership declined.

Well i've not read his book so didn't know about that but i think he's the exception . I don't see why someone would be willing to pay their way in in this day and age ( or ever ). Was the Jack Garcia infiltration not during Peter Gottis time as boss in the early 2000s? And would you recommend his book?

i think its well written and intersting,especially when you dont let yourself bother by his bitching about his bosses. a smaller part is about his work before that time.

When he infiltrated the Gambino's its was Arnold Squitieri who was the acting boss. And at the same time under his undercover work in the mob, it was when Massino turned cooperating witness.

I haven't finished the book, but from what I read it's really good. Garcia infiltrates Greg DePalma's crew and we learn a lot of how the modern day Mafia operates. DePalma is also an interesting character to read about. The guy that offered to pay to get made (Lenny Minuto) was an old timer who had tried to pay off every Gambino boss since Castellano to get made. By the time he went to DePalma, he upped his offer to a million. Again he was rejected. Falcone said according to rumours, a couple guys bought there way into a family, but they don't get a whole lot of respect because of it.

Love to hear when people pay and the mob declines... makes me think of chef gordon ramsey when he shouts, "standards!"

If I remember correctly, there were rumors that Bonanno soldier Joseph "Joey Mook" D'Amico's mom who paid Galante (?) so her kid could get a button. He vehemently denied it on the witness stand after he flipped.

Is Anthony St. Laurent of the Patriarca crime family italian? He is a made member.

Nowadays i doubt it it's not really worth it i actually heard a story of a guy rejecting being made. Back in the 50s Albert Anastasia was selling memberships though . [/quote]
Jack Garcia described in his book how one Gambino associate offered to buy his button for a million dollars. The Gambino leadership declined. [/quote]

Well i've not read his book so didn't know about that but i think he's the exception . I don't see why someone would be willing to pay their way in in this day and age ( or ever ). Was the Jack Garcia infiltration not during Peter Gottis time as boss in the early 2000s? And would you recommend his book? [/quote]
I haven't finished the book, but from what I read it's really good. Garcia infiltrates Greg DePalma's crew and we learn a lot of how the modern day Mafia operates. DePalma is also an interesting character to read about. The guy that offered to pay to get made (Lenny Minuto) was an old timer who had tried to pay off every Gambino boss since Castellano to get made. By the time he went to DePalma, he upped his offer to a million. Again he was rejected. Falcone said according to rumours, a couple guys bought there way into a family, but they don't get a whole lot of respect because of it. [/quote]

Was DePalma the guy who almost got Nino Gaggi jailed for talking business on a bugged phone ? Thanks for bringing the book to my attention i'm gonna buy a copy in the next few days.

Yea your absolutely right I just bought that book and the donnie brasco book and im almost done with jack falcone and donnoe brasco and I tell you by the way jack garcoa described it was exactly what ted said they get no respect and frowned upon in donnie brasco no one paid they way on but alot of back crossing and business and dealing and I tell u very funny if u have a wiseguy sense of humor amd I think he offered two million ted at one time I think they was tbonking of taking the money and not making him some guys lol ..peter boss wasnt boss ot was the squiteri guy or how u spell it and yes I would recommend both books as well as the hitman by howie carr about johnny martorano... underboss by peter mass on jerry anguilo... And the last rites mafia: boston mafia war forgot the author but boy action from start to finish all in the 90's

Peter was boss from prison though just like John. What years was Jack Garcia there because Peter was jailed in 2003 i believe ?

Im 2007 it saids boss arnold squitieri (spelled the way book speels it) plead guilty on april 20 to raceteriing n extortion was supposed to be tried with depalma bit ge plead out and got 92 months so he should be out or getting out depalma got 12 years and the fed even corrected the fbi's chart

Through the whole book I do t even recall the mentioning that no and on dec 18 02 they paid the fambinos 5 grand for protection but it was a strip club procted by depalma but they had to get it back from the albanians and thats when he started getting familiar and so on

He was acting boss for Peter when he was in prison supposedly he was underboss i don't know now though since Cefalu is boss.

I read the joseph pistone book,and yes the mother of Joey the Mook d'Amico paid 50,000 $ at a capo,for get made the son.
Jerry Agiuolo of Boston, had problems because it wasn't a made , so in the 50s promised the boss Patriara $ 100,000 per month,if he will be made,and Patriarca made him.
Agiuolo dominated boston underworld from the 50's until 1986, when the FBI thanks to the bugs installed in his office was able to catch him, Bulger helped the feds to place the bugs.

Anguilo is a peime example how u can pay your way in and not be respected ..when old man ray died zannino threw his support over anguilo cause he probably deep down never respected anguilo in matter of fact zannino one was one of the mobsters that extorted anguilo before he got made and lombardo gave anguilo permission to operate but pay him half and anguilo take the heat when lombardo shut everytbing down becaise crime commitee was having the hearings at the time

they would never do that today. way to easy for the police to get undercover

Well i've not read his book so didn't know about that but i think he's the exception . I don't see why someone would be willing to pay their way in in this day and age ( or ever ). Was the Jack Garcia infiltration not during Peter Gottis time as boss in the early 2000s? And would you recommend his book? [/quote]
I haven't finished the book, but from what I read it's really good. Garcia infiltrates Greg DePalma's crew and we learn a lot of how the modern day Mafia operates. DePalma is also an interesting character to read about. The guy that offered to pay to get made (Lenny Minuto) was an old timer who had tried to pay off every Gambino boss since Castellano to get made. By the time he went to DePalma, he upped his offer to a million. Again he was rejected. Falcone said according to rumours, a couple guys bought there way into a family, but they don't get a whole lot of respect because of it. [/quote]

I wonder why this guy Lenny Minuto could never get made on his own.If he had 1million dollers that means he must of been a really good earner and if he couldnt get made during the castellan0 years castellano really loved big earners i wonder what was wrong with this guy?I bet my life he could have easily been made with the colombos LOL

Didn't bobby luisi basically pay merlino to make him

When you become Made, 95% of them all do a contract well according to Michael Franzese he never did a murder which I find quite odd. If you ever ask Mike if he did do murder, He'll say No or not reply.