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Joey Gallo Question #661842
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On MAFIATODAY.COM, an article referenced Gallo and said:

"...on April 7, 1972, when the reputed Colombo crime family underboss Joey Gallo was riddled with bullets.."

Was Gallo the Colombo family underboss? I thought he was a capo...

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No way. Gallo had been affiliated with the Profaci family, predecessor of the Columbo family, but he and his brothers split with Profaci and declared war on him ca. 1960, over a dispute involving territories promised by Profaci, who then welshed. Joey went to prison for a long stretch in the '60's. When he got out, he made demands on Columbo going back to Profaci's welshed promises, but Columbo refused.

At the time of his death, Gallo was making a career of being a public figure, giving interviews to magazines, pretenting to be an "intellectual," and being a chi-chi pal of the rich and famous. Probably had no connection with crime--organized or otherwise.


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To be fair on Joe Gallo, it was Profaci's arrogant tight fisted ways that made him rebel!
Joey wasnt the sort of guy to simply sit back and be pushed about and shit on!

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Originally Posted By: GaryH
To be fair on Joe Gallo, it was Profaci's arrogant tight fisted ways that made him rebel!
Joey wasnt the sort of guy to simply sit back and be pushed about and shit on!


Exactly. And to relate to another thread that is going on right now, Profaci was a man who had kept his values from the old country. The Gallos mindset was all about money. A clash that is a prime example of how the US Mafia lost its values of honor and respect during an era when making money became the most honorable thing.


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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: GaryH
To be fair on Joe Gallo, it was Profaci's arrogant tight fisted ways that made him rebel!
Joey wasnt the sort of guy to simply sit back and be pushed about and shit on!


Exactly. And to relate to another thread that is going on right now, Profaci was a man who had kept his values from the old country. The Gallos mindset was all about money. A clash that is a prime example of how the US Mafia lost its values of honor and respect during an era when making money became the most honorable thing.


But if Profaci promised money to the Gallos and didn't keep his promise, how can he be regarded as somebody with old-fashioned values? I think one of the rules of the old mafia was that made members don't lie to each other. Profaci lied to the Gallos about the reward, so he asked for it.

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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: GaryH
To be fair on Joe Gallo, it was Profaci's arrogant tight fisted ways that made him rebel!
Joey wasnt the sort of guy to simply sit back and be pushed about and shit on!


Exactly. And to relate to another thread that is going on right now, Profaci was a man who had kept his values from the old country. The Gallos mindset was all about money. A clash that is a prime example of how the US Mafia lost its values of honor and respect during an era when making money became the most honorable thing.


But if Profaci promised money to the Gallos and didn't keep his promise, how can he be regarded as somebody with old-fashioned values? I think one of the rules of the old mafia was that made members don't lie to each other. Profaci lied to the Gallos about the reward, so he asked for it.


How sure are we that Profaci promised them anything? It´s not like "you are now in the Mafia, go grab your bag with 100 000 dollars standing overthere".


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i read in 58 or so they killed there friend and mentor frankie shots who brought them into the family for profaci cause he was holding out on the numbers money they thought they get a cut then with colombo and when joey came home he wanted the ports in redhook and that didnt go well with anyone. i would imagine when he gotout 1970 he was probaly shelfed but still had all his redhook gang which was guys younger and not made. anyone know if vic amuso was a gallo guy? profaci was a bad mofo. i tihnk carlo gambino tried to undermined him, and that was the end.i never really got interested in gallo its a low key guy like frank locascio thats interesting cause he was so low key for a long time till gotti.

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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
No way. Gallo had been affiliated with the Profaci family, predecessor of the Columbo family, but he and his brothers split with Profaci and declared war on him ca. 1960, over a dispute involving territories promised by Profaci, who then welshed. Joey went to prison for a long stretch in the '60's. When he got out, he made demands on Columbo going back to Profaci's welshed promises, but Columbo refused.

At the time of his death, Gallo was making a career of being a public figure, giving interviews to magazines, pretenting to be an "intellectual," and being a chi-chi pal of the rich and famous. Probably had no connection with crime--organized or otherwise.


I'd like to answer this question myself but imo Turnbull has got it spot on. He's not tried to throw his theory on Joes death in there, just leaving us at his known activities after leaving prison .

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Profaci was a perfidious bastard, pmac. In '57, Carlo Gambino, then Albert A's underboss, approached Profaci about whacking Albert. Profaci assigned the hit to the Gallos. Then, as you said, Frankie Shots was holding out on Profaci, so he assigned the hit to the Gallos again. He promised them some of Shots' action as a reward, but didn't give it to them. That started the war. Gambino began agitating for Profaci to step down, but he was supported by his pal, Joe Bonanno, and stayed on until he died in '62.

Then Joe Magliocco, his brother in law, became Don. But Gambino led the rest of the Commission in refusing to seat him, and openly encouraged treason against Magliocco in his family. Magliocco conspired with Bonanno to whack Gambino and Tommy Lucchese. But Joe Columbo, one of Magliocco's capos, ratted out the plot to Gambino. Magliocco was forced by the Commission to step down and pay a fine. They next went after Bonanno. But when he refused to step down, a war within his own family began. It was the beginning of a long, long decline for the Bonannos.


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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: GaryH
To be fair on Joe Gallo, it was Profaci's arrogant tight fisted ways that made him rebel!
Joey wasnt the sort of guy to simply sit back and be pushed about and shit on!


Exactly. And to relate to another thread that is going on right now, Profaci was a man who had kept his values from the old country. The Gallos mindset was all about money. A clash that is a prime example of how the US Mafia lost its values of honor and respect during an era when making money became the most honorable thing.


But if Profaci promised money to the Gallos and didn't keep his promise, how can he be regarded as somebody with old-fashioned values? I think one of the rules of the old mafia was that made members don't lie to each other. Profaci lied to the Gallos about the reward, so he asked for it.

Did they allow rapist to be the boss in the old country?

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Perhaps it is time to dust off some of the old "facts" regarding the Profaci/Gallo clash and the Anastasia killing which has been around for 50 years, unchallenged, and start viewing these "facts" with modern eyes and in a different light.
The most reliable CI the FBI had available in regards to the Prafaci/Gallo war is Greg Scarpa. He was in a unique position to offer good, solid info on most of the stuff that was happening. At that time, Scarpa served as an acting captain. His FBI files were released for public view a year ago. And I do recommend everybody to read them. They can easily be found and downloaded on the net.

Here is a small excerpt from it in regards to the Gallos:

"On 11/13/61, informant advises SAS [redacted] that the Gallo brothers were originally brought around and introduced by Johnny Scimini [John Scimone]. He stated that some of the people whom he did not know by name began making good money off of the Gallo operations and were pushing them hard into the organisation. Informant stated that CHARLES LO CICERO was opposed to the Gallos from the beginning, stating that the Gallos were not the right kind of people. Informant stated that politics entered into the matter, and LO CICERO was pusuaded to keep quiet and that following this, the Gallos were "made".
Informant advised that after they were "made" they began to run wild and pushed for more and more authority in the organization. He related that as a reason for this the decision was made to dispose of them."
Furthermore... "He stated that the Gallos were "made" approximately five years ago and that after being made they were of the opinion that they would come into sudden wealth. Informant related that this is not true and that the GALLOS soon found out that most of the rackets such as numbers, garbage collection etc, were already under control by someone else, and the Gallos were not allowed to move in on anyone else´s operation. He stated that through the years, there was frictions over variuos things that the Gallos attempted to get into and that he felt that the final blowup was an accumulation of various things rather than any one particular thing."

///Nowhere in the files are any mentions that Joe Profaci had promised the Gallos money or territory or any rackets.

In 2001, Jerry Capeci came out with an article, claiming the Anastasia hit was an inside job. Sources on both side of the law was cited in the article saying that the Gallos had nothing to do with the hit. Here is the full article, which was published during a time when it was free to read Capeci´s articles (Oct 18, 2001), so I think I´m allowed to copy and paste it here:

"The Men Who Hit Albert Anastasia"

"44 years later, Gang Land names the real barber shop killers"

"For nearly 44 years, the wrong gangster has been blamed - or gotten the credit, depending on you perspective - for the spectacular hotel barbershop slaying of mafia boss Albert (The Mad Hatter) Anastasia.
Anastasia´s murder was the first gangland style rubout of a New York mob boss after the Mafia Commission was formed in 1931. [Capeci was wrong on that, Vincent Mangano was the first.] It paved the way for the man for whom the crime family is still named, and was a main topic at a national mob convention in Apalachin, New York a month later.

Untill now, rival Colombo mobsters who hated each other had alternately taken credit for the 1957 killing. Early on, Crazy Joe Gallo and his crew were said to have been at the scene. Many years later, Colombo boss Carmine (Junior) Persico boasted to a relative through marrige that he had done the work.

No one was ever charged with any aspect of the murder plot. But there was no question that Carlo Gambino, who took over the crime family when Anastasia hit the floor, was behind the hit.
According to knowledgeable sources on both sides of the law, the killing was carried out by a three-man hit team selected by the capo Joseph (Joe The Blond) Biondo, who became Gambino´s underboss and remained in the post until shortly before he died in 1966.
The primary shooter, sources said, was Stephen (Stevie Coogan) Grammauta, then 40, a drugdealer who was convicted of heroin trafficking eight years later. Seemingly inactive for decades, Grammauta emerged in the late 1990s as a Gambino capo, several years after John Gotti, who also took over the Gambino family through murder, was jailed for life.

"He never showed up at the Ravenite Social Club during Gotti´s reign (when Gotti demanded that all his troops show up once a week), but he´s now a captain" said one law enforcement official.
Last year, the FBI began carrying Grammauta as the acting underboss of the Family. Grammauta, 84, has been spotted at several Gambino family functions during the last two years, sources said. Including a wake for soldier Liborio (Bobby Red) Crapanzano last March.

Stephen Armone, then 57, was the leader of the crew. The third member of the crew, and the second shooter, sources said, was Arnold (Witty) Wittenberg, then 53, a drug dealer and long time cohort of the mobsters. All three men hailed from the Lower East Side.

Sources said that Armone´s younger brother, Joseph (Joe Piney) Armone - an early member of the Dapper Don´s plot to kill Paul Castellano three decades later - was selected for the hit but was nabbed on a drug charge and replaced by brother Steve.
Steve Armone was a pioneer drug dealer. He moved into the junk trade at the end of the prohibition era, serving 28 month for a 1935 federal drug rap. He died of natural causes in 1960. Wittenberg died in 1978.

In 1965, Grammauta and Joe Armone were convicted of smuggling heroin from the Netherlands. Grammauta served five years in prison. When he got out, he virtually disappeared from the feds radar screen, although the FBI listed him as a made guy in 1988. Joe Piney served 10 years, became a capo, an underboss for Gotti in 1986. He died in prison in 1992. Grammauta took over Piney´s crew, later moving up to acting underboss sources said.

The myth that Gallo was behind the Anastasia hit started where many tall tales begin - in a bar. Sidney Slater, an associate of Gallo and his crew, told acquaintences that Gallo had acknowledged his involvement while they were hoisting a few about a week after the hit.
Slater said that as they were talking about the killing in the bar, Slater wondered aloud who had done it and that Gallo indicated himself, and four cohorts at the bar, Ralph Mafrici, Joseph (Joe Jelly) Gioelli, Frank (Punchy) Illiano, and Sonny Camerone.
"You can call the five of us the barbershop quintet", Gallo said, according to Slater.

The hit went down on Oct. 25, 1957, at about 10:20 AM. Anastasia was relaxing in chair No 4 at the Park Sheraton Hotel barbershop in midtown Manhattan. His hair was being clipped while the shop owner, Arthur Grasso, sat and talked to him. In chair No 5 was Vincent (Jimmy Jerome) Squillante.
Two men walked in through the hotel lobby door. One strode up to Anastasia and opened up with a .38 caliber pistol. One shot went into the back of Anastasia´s head and lodged in the left side of his brain. Two shots got him in the left hand. Another bullet went into the back at a downward angle, penetrating a lung, a kidney and his spleen.
The second shooter fired a .32 caliber pistol. One bullet went through the right side of Anastasia´s hip, and there also was a grazing wound to the back of Anastasia´s neck. Anastasia lurched out of the chair and crashed to the floor dead.

Manicurist Jean Wineberger said that the primary shooter was about 40 years old, 5 10 to 5 11, on the slim side, 175 to 180 lbs. He had blondish hair with a pompadour, fair complexion, and was right-handed.
The second shooter, she said, was about 45 years old, 5 7, stocky build, medium complexion, and may have been Italian or Jewish.
She said the two gunmen tried to run out onto the street but the door was locked, so they exited through the hotel lobby - walking, not running.
Squillante, who ran the family´s private sanitation rackets, jumped up immediately and said "Let me out of here", and left.
Police found the murder weapons nearby, a .32 caliber Smith and Wesson long barrel revolver and a .38 caliber Colt pistol, along the route the shooters used to easily get away.

Two years later, the Manhattan District Attorney´s office reviewed the case and included in its summary a note that a subject had "identified Ralph Mafrici and Joseph Gioelli as the perpetrators of this crime. Gioelli was already dead; Mafrici, in prison on an assault and robbery conviction, was brought in for questioning and said nothing.

In 1973, Vincent (Fat Vinny) Teresa jumped on the Gallo bandwagon in his book "My Life In the Mafia". He said the Gallo brothers were part of a murder conspiracy run by Vito Genovese and Carlo Gambino and the Gallos drove to Providence, Rhode Island to obtain permission to use a New England associate as the lead shooter. [Jackie Nazarian]
Teresa´s tale, like much of what he wrote, got little support from law eforcement.

In 1984, Persico put himself into the mix, allthough he surely did not intend for it to become public. A long time adversary of the Gallo brothers, Persico resented the glory they got for carrying out the famous Anastasia hit, especially because he knew they didn´t.
When Persico was on the run and hiding at Fred DeChristopher´s home, he told his reluctant hoast that he had taken care of the feared Anastasia. "That fag Joey Gallo took the credit, but I hurt Anastasia" he said, thumping his own chest for emphasis, DeChristopher told the FBI.

Information that took a long time to surface now shows that Persico, like Gallo before him, was just blowing smoke. There probably was a bar in DeChristopher´s home."


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Originally Posted By: danielperrygin

Did they allow rapist to be the boss in the old country?

I don't know, never heard of any rapist bosses in Italy. However, they had a strange view on rape - there were cases in which if a rapist married the victim the matter was considered settled (what a sick logic). In the 60s there was a case when Filippo Melodia, a relative of the Alcamo boss Vincenzo Rimi, committed a rape and the victim refused to marry him, her reaction was considered to be the first case regarding mafia families in which the victim has found the courage to oppose herself to the idea of settling the matter by marrying the rapist (at least the sources I read state so).

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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Perhaps it is time to dust off some of the old "facts" regarding the Profaci/Gallo clash and the Anastasia killing which has been around for 50 years, unchallenged, and start viewing these "facts" with modern eyes and in a different light.
The most reliable CI the FBI had available in regards to the Prafaci/Gallo war is Greg Scarpa. He was in a unique position to offer good, solid info on most of the stuff that was happening. At that time, Scarpa served as an acting captain. His FBI files were released for public view a year ago. And I do recommend everybody to read them. They can easily be found and downloaded on the net.

Here is a small excerpt from it in regards to the Gallos:

"On 11/13/61, informant advises SAS [redacted] that the Gallo brothers were originally brought around and introduced by Johnny Scimini [John Scimone]. He stated that some of the people whom he did not know by name began making good money off of the Gallo operations and were pushing them hard into the organisation. Informant stated that CHARLES LO CICERO was opposed to the Gallos from the beginning, stating that the Gallos were not the right kind of people. Informant stated that politics entered into the matter, and LO CICERO was pusuaded to keep quiet and that following this, the Gallos were "made".
Informant advised that after they were "made" they began to run wild and pushed for more and more authority in the organization. He related that as a reason for this the decision was made to dispose of them."
Furthermore... "He stated that the Gallos were "made" approximately five years ago and that after being made they were of the opinion that they would come into sudden wealth. Informant related that this is not true and that the GALLOS soon found out that most of the rackets such as numbers, garbage collection etc, were already under control by someone else, and the Gallos were not allowed to move in on anyone else´s operation. He stated that through the years, there was frictions over variuos things that the Gallos attempted to get into and that he felt that the final blowup was an accumulation of various things rather than any one particular thing."

///Nowhere in the files are any mentions that Joe Profaci had promised the Gallos money or territory or any rackets.

In 2001, Jerry Capeci came out with an article, claiming the Anastasia hit was an inside job. Sources on both side of the law was cited in the article saying that the Gallos had nothing to do with the hit. Here is the full article, which was published during a time when it was free to read Capeci´s articles (Oct 18, 2001), so I think I´m allowed to copy and paste it here:

"The Men Who Hit Albert Anastasia"

"44 years later, Gang Land names the real barber shop killers"

"For nearly 44 years, the wrong gangster has been blamed - or gotten the credit, depending on you perspective - for the spectacular hotel barbershop slaying of mafia boss Albert (The Mad Hatter) Anastasia.
Anastasia´s murder was the first gangland style rubout of a New York mob boss after the Mafia Commission was formed in 1931. [Capeci was wrong on that, Vincent Mangano was the first.] It paved the way for the man for whom the crime family is still named, and was a main topic at a national mob convention in Apalachin, New York a month later.

Untill now, rival Colombo mobsters who hated each other had alternately taken credit for the 1957 killing. Early on, Crazy Joe Gallo and his crew were said to have been at the scene. Many years later, Colombo boss Carmine (Junior) Persico boasted to a relative through marrige that he had done the work.

No one was ever charged with any aspect of the murder plot. But there was no question that Carlo Gambino, who took over the crime family when Anastasia hit the floor, was behind the hit.
According to knowledgeable sources on both sides of the law, the killing was carried out by a three-man hit team selected by the capo Joseph (Joe The Blond) Biondo, who became Gambino´s underboss and remained in the post until shortly before he died in 1966.
The primary shooter, sources said, was Stephen (Stevie Coogan) Grammauta, then 40, a drugdealer who was convicted of heroin trafficking eight years later. Seemingly inactive for decades, Grammauta emerged in the late 1990s as a Gambino capo, several years after John Gotti, who also took over the Gambino family through murder, was jailed for life.

"He never showed up at the Ravenite Social Club during Gotti´s reign (when Gotti demanded that all his troops show up once a week), but he´s now a captain" said one law enforcement official.
Last year, the FBI began carrying Grammauta as the acting underboss of the Family. Grammauta, 84, has been spotted at several Gambino family functions during the last two years, sources said. Including a wake for soldier Liborio (Bobby Red) Crapanzano last March.

Stephen Armone, then 57, was the leader of the crew. The third member of the crew, and the second shooter, sources said, was Arnold (Witty) Wittenberg, then 53, a drug dealer and long time cohort of the mobsters. All three men hailed from the Lower East Side.

Sources said that Armone´s younger brother, Joseph (Joe Piney) Armone - an early member of the Dapper Don´s plot to kill Paul Castellano three decades later - was selected for the hit but was nabbed on a drug charge and replaced by brother Steve.
Steve Armone was a pioneer drug dealer. He moved into the junk trade at the end of the prohibition era, serving 28 month for a 1935 federal drug rap. He died of natural causes in 1960. Wittenberg died in 1978.

In 1965, Grammauta and Joe Armone were convicted of smuggling heroin from the Netherlands. Grammauta served five years in prison. When he got out, he virtually disappeared from the feds radar screen, although the FBI listed him as a made guy in 1988. Joe Piney served 10 years, became a capo, an underboss for Gotti in 1986. He died in prison in 1992. Grammauta took over Piney´s crew, later moving up to acting underboss sources said.

The myth that Gallo was behind the Anastasia hit started where many tall tales begin - in a bar. Sidney Slater, an associate of Gallo and his crew, told acquaintences that Gallo had acknowledged his involvement while they were hoisting a few about a week after the hit.
Slater said that as they were talking about the killing in the bar, Slater wondered aloud who had done it and that Gallo indicated himself, and four cohorts at the bar, Ralph Mafrici, Joseph (Joe Jelly) Gioelli, Frank (Punchy) Illiano, and Sonny Camerone.
"You can call the five of us the barbershop quintet", Gallo said, according to Slater.

The hit went down on Oct. 25, 1957, at about 10:20 AM. Anastasia was relaxing in chair No 4 at the Park Sheraton Hotel barbershop in midtown Manhattan. His hair was being clipped while the shop owner, Arthur Grasso, sat and talked to him. In chair No 5 was Vincent (Jimmy Jerome) Squillante.
Two men walked in through the hotel lobby door. One strode up to Anastasia and opened up with a .38 caliber pistol. One shot went into the back of Anastasia´s head and lodged in the left side of his brain. Two shots got him in the left hand. Another bullet went into the back at a downward angle, penetrating a lung, a kidney and his spleen.
The second shooter fired a .32 caliber pistol. One bullet went through the right side of Anastasia´s hip, and there also was a grazing wound to the back of Anastasia´s neck. Anastasia lurched out of the chair and crashed to the floor dead.

Manicurist Jean Wineberger said that the primary shooter was about 40 years old, 5 10 to 5 11, on the slim side, 175 to 180 lbs. He had blondish hair with a pompadour, fair complexion, and was right-handed.
The second shooter, she said, was about 45 years old, 5 7, stocky build, medium complexion, and may have been Italian or Jewish.
She said the two gunmen tried to run out onto the street but the door was locked, so they exited through the hotel lobby - walking, not running.
Squillante, who ran the family´s private sanitation rackets, jumped up immediately and said "Let me out of here", and left.
Police found the murder weapons nearby, a .32 caliber Smith and Wesson long barrel revolver and a .38 caliber Colt pistol, along the route the shooters used to easily get away.

Two years later, the Manhattan District Attorney´s office reviewed the case and included in its summary a note that a subject had "identified Ralph Mafrici and Joseph Gioelli as the perpetrators of this crime. Gioelli was already dead; Mafrici, in prison on an assault and robbery conviction, was brought in for questioning and said nothing.

In 1973, Vincent (Fat Vinny) Teresa jumped on the Gallo bandwagon in his book "My Life In the Mafia". He said the Gallo brothers were part of a murder conspiracy run by Vito Genovese and Carlo Gambino and the Gallos drove to Providence, Rhode Island to obtain permission to use a New England associate as the lead shooter. [Jackie Nazarian]
Teresa´s tale, like much of what he wrote, got little support from law eforcement.

In 1984, Persico put himself into the mix, allthough he surely did not intend for it to become public. A long time adversary of the Gallo brothers, Persico resented the glory they got for carrying out the famous Anastasia hit, especially because he knew they didn´t.
When Persico was on the run and hiding at Fred DeChristopher´s home, he told his reluctant hoast that he had taken care of the feared Anastasia. "That fag Joey Gallo took the credit, but I hurt Anastasia" he said, thumping his own chest for emphasis, DeChristopher told the FBI.

Information that took a long time to surface now shows that Persico, like Gallo before him, was just blowing smoke. There probably was a bar in DeChristopher´s home."


You don't have to download them they're here http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/files/gregory-scarpa-sr.-fbi-files-part-1.pdf

Re: Joey Gallo Question [Re: Dwalin2011] #662251
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Originally Posted By: danielperrygin

Did they allow rapist to be the boss in the old country?

I don't know, never heard of any rapist bosses in Italy. However, they had a strange view on rape - there were cases in which if a rapist married the victim the matter was considered settled (what a sick logic). In the 60s there was a case when Filippo Melodia, a relative of the Alcamo boss Vincenzo Rimi, committed a rape and the victim refused to marry him, her reaction was considered to be the first case regarding mafia families in which the victim has found the courage to oppose herself to the idea of settling the matter by marrying the rapist (at least the sources I read state so).


Your kidding!!!!
All you'd have to do is rape a pretty girl then you'd get to marry her!
Crazy "tradition" isnt it?
LOL

Re: Joey Gallo Question [Re: Jimmy_Two_Times] #662538
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You guys are the best and this is why I'm so grateful to be a part of this board... I appreciate getting the facts and straight dope... much obliged all!!

Re: Joey Gallo Question [Re: Jimmy_Two_Times] #676905
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It seems like the last thing shed want to do is marry a man that raped her


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Re: Joey Gallo Question [Re: Jimmy_Two_Times] #696774
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Pretty crazy to me.


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