I'm sure ill get trolled for his post because there is probably a thread already about this BUT I CANT FIND IT ! soo blahhh... Anyway WTF happend to The Iron Worker? Did the Rizzuto's rub him out... or was it someone else... if the rizzuto's did rub him out why? and why havnt the bonnano's retaliated for their boss? or was it The bonanno's who whacked him? Please any info on this would be great.... Thanks

There's a lot of speculation going around about what happened to him. There's no doubt he tried to take over the Rizzuto crime family when he was deported to Canada. As to who rubbed him out from what I've heard, it was a rival family connected with the Ndrangheta, or possibly Vito Rizzuto ordered him out while in jail. I don't think the Bonanno's had anything to do with it, when he was deported that was kind of 'it' for him. But let me see if I can find an article.

Hey thanks Joey, but my comeback lol is going to be why didnt the bonanno's retaliate hell he was the boss of the bonanno's or street boss.

Here's a couple.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/21/...atore-montagna/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ke-way-top.html

Not much I could find. But there's some hints.

That's an excellent question. And please don't take my word for it, but I think the reason why is that the Bonanno's have too many problems at the moment to get involved. In addition Montreal is a hotbed of violence right now, I don't think they would want to get involved when they got their whole administration in jail or on trial.
To put it simply, Montagna might have fallen out when he was deported.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=651720&page=1

You should read this .

Out the top of my head, the ones indicted for the murder of Sal Montagna are Raynald Desjardins, Vittorio Mirarchi, Calogero Milioto, Jack Simpson and Felice Racaniello.

The French articles on his death provide the best information;

As of this moment Montagna is considered the number one suspect for the murders that took place. It is is thought that he tried to take out Desjardins too, who miraculously survived the hit without any injuries. Beforehand, Montagna, the Arcuris and Desjardins worked together, but at some point they had a falling out, which is thought to have occured at a meeting in September 2011. Only two weeks later, Desjardins was shot at close to his home, but the bullet somehow missed his head by a few centimetres, based on the bullet hole in the window. The would-be assassins fled the scene in a sea doo.

Then a month later a supposed accomplice of Montagna, Lorenzo LoPresti, was murdered while smoking a cigarette on his balcony. A month after that Montagna was apparantly lured to a meeting by Jack Simpson, which turned out to be a set-up. And while he succeeded to jump through a window, Montagna died shortly after due to being shot at least once. By decrypting text messages (probably with the help of Montagna's cell phone) the police were able to link Montagna's murder to Desjardins and co.

If the set-up would not have failed so miserably as it did, we would know probably still be wondering what exactly happened to Montagna and who was behind it.

Also, I think sooner or later the Bonannos have to do something about the murder of one of their members, in order to not lose face. News reports have stated that the Bonannos had put a contract out on Desjardins, and supposedly on Moreno Gallo too. Shortly before Gallo left Canada for Italy, he was warned by the police that his life was in danger.

You don't think the Bonanno's just dropped him after he was deported? I don't think he held much influence over them after he was shipped to Canada.

You're apparantly not the only one who has this opinion, but is this opinion based on actual evidence? It seems that he was respected enough to be introduced around when he arrived in Canada, and initially had support of mobsters connected to the Bonannos in Montreal, like the Arcuris, Desjardins, Joe Renda and others. It seems that he more or less was able to have a leading position within the Bonanno crew in Montreal, not suprisingly, because technically he was their superior when he was acting boss in New York.

Now do the Bonanno's control the Montreal Family? I think Vito Rizzuto would beg to differ on that. I always thought they were considered the "sixth" Family. I knew he had influence in Montreal and was trying to regroup them, but with the Bonanno Family itself I thought he didn't hold sway with them anymore.

Again I'm wondering how you came to his conclusion. Is this just your own opinion, or do you base this on an article or another source? I'm just curious as you're not the only one with a tendency to downgrade his role or position within the Bonanno family.

Well certain charts after 2009 don't have him listed as the acting boss anymore. I will admit this is formulated mostly of my own opinion but it was based off the fact of this article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-capeci/mob-murder-in-montreal-co_b_417688.html
Your thoughts?

Montreal is a big clusterf*ck up there. I think things will be much clearer as to what actually has been transpiring in about another year or two once Vito is out and has some time on the street.

If there is anything that needs to be suspended around here it shouod be all talk of canada until someone flips or some real info comes out.

I know this article very well. Rizzuto's famous words apparantly didn't do him much good as he was killed a year later. IMO, it only strenghtens the theory of Montagna being behind his death.

FBI reports make it seem as though the Rizzutos are a branch off of the Bonannos but Canadian officials beg to differ.

I don't think there's any information to suggest that anything that the Rizzutos make goes to the Bonnanos.

Didnt Vito come up a Bonanno soldier, i mean hes in jail for being part of a murder of 3 Bonanno capos during a family war. The man in charge before Vito, Victor Contri(ive mispelled it before so i could be now) was a capo to Joe Bonanno. Bonanno jr had many visit to Canada to meet with the Rizzutos. The Bonannos are the only family i know off with big Canadain connections, Joe and Cigars spent a lot of tike up there.

*time up there.

But i agree, i doubt a penny is sent to New York now, why would they? Hell the bosses of both are in jail.

Up until the turn of the century the Montreal Mafia was a branch of the Bonanno family. But defacto the Rizzutos operated autonomous since the 1980s.

2nd^

Do you think Desjardins could have taken the decision to whack Montagna by himself or was Vito's permission necessary?

Up until the turn of the century the Montreal Mafia was a branch of the Bonanno family. But defacto the Rizzutos operated autonomous since the 1980s.[/quote
That's what I was confused about. You made it seem like the Bonanno's controlled the Montreal Mob. I agree with daniel, I don't think money goes down to New York anymore. Both of the families have wayy too much to deal with at the moment.
My prediction, once Vito gets out of jail he's going to get back the people who killed his family and establish himself as Don of Canada. He's been going strong in prison from what I hear.

Does anybody know something about the current position of the Italian authorities about his extradition? Last time something was said about it was when Nick Rizzuto was still alive.

I don't make it seem, it is an established fact that for half a century the Montreal Mob answered to the Bonannos, which is corroborated by about every source available. Montagna tried to re-establish those connections. Traditionally speaking, the Bonannos had the authority to depose the Rizzutos, whether or not they still had influence in Montreal.

I also think that due to the current state of affairs, no tributes are being sent to New York. And I also think there's truth in that Sciascia's murder severed ties between the Rizzutos and New York.



I hope you don't base that on that New York Post article.

You mean the one where it says he's gonna take revenge? I wasn't sure about that either, but then again it's tricky to find articles that hold merit.
Quick question? Do you think Vito can lead the family back? And what's the Bonanno position in Montreal? I wouldn't think it would be very strong with the entire administration in jail

I really don't know, but I wouldn't be suprised, just as I wouldn't be suprised if he's killed in the months after he returns, if he returns. We might find out later this year.



Since Montagna's death I would guess the current position of the Bonannos in Montreal is weakened. But whether or not their administration is in jail wouldn't make much of a difference. If a boss is sent to jail someone else steps up to resume that role.

I really don't know, but I wouldn't be suprised, just as I wouldn't be suprised if he's killed in the months after he returns, if he returns. We might find out later this year.


Vinny Asaro (yes I'm basing this off the article I showed you) seems like a guy to take on that role. He's older, wiser, low-key, and he seems to run a tight ship in Queens. Vinny TV seems to be the top guy after he gets out from prison however. He could get the top spot

I agree. Seems likely.